Is there practically no interest in consensual sex scenes with (masked) heroines?

[Maskripper]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?
For example: Let's have a Batman in a full rubber suit and a Catwoman in a great latex suit.
Solid actors who can play the part.
They are heavily attracted to each other. They are playing with each other. Fighting. Teasing. Flirting.
He knows he should arrest her. She knows she should stay away from him.
Their fighting becomes foreplay. They try to unmask each other but keep their masks on.
....and then a sexy, erotic sex scene with both of them in their costumes
He could use a Batarang to create some openings om their costumes... or she could use her claws.
I would LOVE to see that!
Could be even a softcore with just the boobs shown.
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Or Black Scorpion and the Detective. Let them have a history like in the TV show.
But then bring it to the next level that a horny Black Scorpion manages that Steve forgets about arresting her ;-)
She knows the danger of having sex with him while she is in costume.. but she wants it anyway and his hands wander to her mask several times while they have sex.
#tension #erotic

I would LOVE to see that as well!
But I guess that will never happen in a fetish video.... at least not like I want it.

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What do you guys think?
I know this fetish is (mostly) about depowering powerful women in different ways.
But would you be interested in consensual sex scenes with (masked) heroines as well?

[Heroineaddicted]

I don’t know if you heard of Axel Braun. He a porno director who’s specialize in making superhero parody porn. Those are hardcore porn, but gave scenes they smash in costume, all in consensual sex. Here’s a scene of Captain Marvel one where she has 3some with Jean Grey & Deadpool:

https://suj.nu/en/scene/group_sex_betwe ... n_eng_8280

[batgirl1969]

Axel Braun has a LOT of this, one in particular where Batgirl fucks Robin then I believe she fucks both Batman and Robin in costume. As much as I would love to see Batgirl willingly submit to an orgy, Bukkake or gangbang in costume, it just seems hotter when she somehow accidently or worse ends up in these scenarios or scenes.

[Dazzle1]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?
For example: Let's have a Batman in a full rubber suit and a Catwoman in a great latex suit.
Solid actors who can play the part.
They are heavily attracted to each other. They are playing with each other. Fighting. Teasing. Flirting.
He knows he should arrest her. She knows she should stay away from him.
Their fighting becomes foreplay. They try to unmask each other but keep their masks on.
....and then a sexy, erotic sex scene with both of them in their costumes
He could use a Batarang to create some openings om their costumes... or she could use her claws.
I would LOVE to see that!
Could be even a softcore with just the boobs shown.
-
Or Black Scorpion and the Detective. Let them have a history like in the TV show.
But then bring it to the next level that a horny Black Scorpion manages that Steve forgets about arresting her ;-)
She knows the danger of having sex with him while she is in costume.. but she wants it anyway and his hands wander to her mask several times while they have sex.
#tension #erotic

I would LOVE to see that as well!
But I guess that will never happen in a fetish video.... at least not like I want it.

-There have been as others have mention parodies.

But lets be honest the majority of adults who are into superheroines or superheroes have this desire to see fights and/or bondage

That why Wonder woman with Linda Crter at least for me after the first season was no fun, no bondage.
What do you guys think?
I know this fetish is (mostly) about depowering powerful women in different ways.
But would you be interested in consensual sex scenes with (masked) heroines as well?

[Dazzle1]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?
For example: Let's have a Batman in a full rubber suit and a Catwoman in a great latex suit.
Solid actors who can play the part.
They are heavily attracted to each other. They are playing with each other. Fighting. Teasing. Flirting.
He knows he should arrest her. She knows she should stay away from him.
Their fighting becomes foreplay. They try to unmask each other but keep their masks on.
....and then a sexy, erotic sex scene with both of them in their costumes
He could use a Batarang to create some openings om their costumes... or she could use her claws.
I would LOVE to see that!
Could be even a softcore with just the boobs shown.
-
Or Black Scorpion and the Detective. Let them have a history like in the TV show.
But then bring it to the next level that a horny Black Scorpion manages that Steve forgets about arresting her ;-)
She knows the danger of having sex with him while she is in costume.. but she wants it anyway and his hands wander to her mask several times while they have sex.
#tension #erotic

I would LOVE to see that as well!
But I guess that will never happen in a fetish video.... at least not like I want it.

-There have been as others have mention parodies.
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But the majority of adults who are into superheroines or superheroes have this desire to see fights and/or bondage

That why Wonder woman with Linda Crter at least for me after the first season was no fun,

[Maskripper]

Yeah, I know the Axel Brown parodies... they are .... nice.
But basically, these are normal porn flicks with costumes.
Better than average...but... as 99% of porn flicks: bad acting, no tension, no eroticism, no sparks.

And Dazzle.... what are you doing with this quoting mess?

[batgirl1969]

Yeah, I know the Axel Brown parodies... they are .... nice.
But basically, these are normal porn flicks with costumes.
Better than average...but... as 99% of porn flicks: bad acting, no tension, no eroticism, no sparks.

And Dazzle.... what are you doing with this quoting mess?

I agree with you, while they are hot in the sex arena they lack the danger and the thrill for the heroine being forced to do something she doesn't like or doesn't want to do, even under hypnosis or magic control, there is a good one where Captain Marvel gets it on with a dominant she-male and she looks so amazing servicing that wonderful ding ding!! Poor girl!

[Dazzle1]

Yeah, I know the Axel Brown parodies... they are .... nice.
But basically, these are normal porn flicks with costumes.
Better than average...but... as 99% of porn flicks: bad acting, no tension, no eroticism, no sparks.

And Dazzle.... what are you doing with this quoting mess?

I agree with you, while they are hot in the sex arena they lack the danger and the thrill for the heroine being forced to do something she doesn't like or doesn't want to do, even under hypnosis or magic control, there is a good one where Captain Marvel gets it on with a dominant she-male and she looks so amazing servicing that wonderful ding ding!! Poor girl!

You are right a good example of it being hot even though I prefer male dom or Lezdom, is Alex Coal as Livewire dominating Black Lightining

[shevek]

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?
What do you guys think?
I know this fetish is (mostly) about depowering powerful women in different ways.
But would you be interested in consensual sex scenes with (masked) heroines as well?

Of course I would! We are PG-13, but a good number of the relationships and actions we show are consensual, outside of battle or peril scenes.
We have superheroines in love with their boyfriends, superheroines in love with their girlfriends, and superheroines in love with each other.
They kiss each other, or lightly hug, flirt and touch, but that's all that we can show in PG-13 mode.

If we ever did R or X vids (which we can't do at the moment), I'd be fine with plenty of consensual sex with intense erotic overtones.
The most appealing, of course, would be a lesbian relationship between two superheroines, because it satisfies the "gaze" of the viewer most.
But an intense hetero romance would be great too, as long as the actors are comfortable in such roles.

Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to accomplish that anytime soon because for now I'm definitely limited to PG-13, but I'd love to see the work of others in a similar vein.

I hope some producers take you up on your suggestion, Maskripper!

[Femina]

Do you mean like HERE or... 'In General'?

I think In General the answer is 'plenty' what with the popularity of the MCU being what it was, even with the small number of superheroines we actually got out of it, I'm sure the general public is amenable to the concept.

This is just a website dedicated to SHiP, a fetish site, and dedicated towards a certain thing that's drawn a certain crowd?

[Maskripper]

Do you mean like HERE or... 'In General'?

I think In General the answer is 'plenty' what with the popularity of the MCU being what it was, even with the small number of superheroines we actually got out of it, I'm sure the general public is amenable to the concept.

This is just a website dedicated to SHiP, a fetish site, and dedicated towards a certain thing that's drawn a certain crowd?

I mean especially among the SHIP community.
The general public would like to see that but they won't find that in "normal" movies from Hollywood.
(except very rare B movies like Black Scorpion that had a short softcore sex scene, but 99% are not familiar with it)

But if someone isn't into SHIP he most likely won't know about SHIP fetish videos.
Mostly only fetish videos could provide such scenes... but there seems to be no real market for them.
Or at least the producers think that there is no real market for consensual sex scenes (with quality and real erotic).

So I am curious about what the community here thinks about it...

[SHL]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?

I made one

It was my worse selling film

Like painful sales numbers

So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. This is a SHIP community - so consent is kind of the opposite of the intent

I am sure there is some other forum on the net with people who would want that kind of content but it isn't this community in this forum.

[Maskripper]

....
So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. ....

More than 0 is more than "no interest". But ok, I get your point.
More consensual heroine sex vids would exist if the market would be bigger for it.

[shevek]

....
So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. ....

More than 0 is more than "no interest". But ok, I get your point.
More consensual heroine sex vids would exist if the market would be bigger for it.

Possibly not, but there are some vids on C4S of superheroines making love, etc.'I've acquired a handful of them over the years - some are done by the same group of well-known actresses who provide the bulk of the SHIP content.
Maybe a scene like that could work as *part* of an overall peril-based script, if not standing alone by itself.

As far as other forums, the only one I know that might take a little bit of interest is SWM, but it doesn't look like they take much to the XXX stuff in general. (Not sure if pron is banned there, although peril pretty much is verboten.) They pretty much stick to the girl power fetish.

However, Maskripper, please feel free to talk about erotic consensual superheroine sex videos here (when you find them) if you like, because I, for one, am thoroughly interested, and I'm sure a 'handful' of others would be, too. I'm writing a good amount of it into my stories.

[sneakly]

I think superheroines are more about conflict and sex is a metaphor for conflict. Lois and Clark was about a relationship. Batgirl and Catwoman are about dominance. While there is plenty of consensual porn out there, if you are going to have sex with WW, you are going to have to hold her down...

[bushwackerbob]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?

I made one

It was my worse selling film

Like painful sales numbers

So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. This is a SHIP community - so consent is kind of the opposite of the intent

I am sure there is some other forum on the net with people who would want that kind of content but it isn't this community in this forum.

I admire and commend your efforts to try something outside the box. If you SHIP film folks don't experiment with and fiddle around with the genre, it will never grow or evolve. I give you props for trying something different.

[Mr. X]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?

I made one

It was my worse selling film

Like painful sales numbers

So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. This is a SHIP community - so consent is kind of the opposite of the intent

I am sure there is some other forum on the net with people who would want that kind of content but it isn't this community in this forum.

Yes I figured the answer to this question would come from producers who try this and then take a look at the sales numbers.

[Dazzle1]

superheroines and other females in bonage has been a major part of the comic book industry till very recently. Just look at the covers going backs to the 40s

Marston and his two lovers were living the world of sexual submission, when Wonder Woman was created. And Wonder Woman was a loving Dom in that era when Pricilla Rich and the rest did not have her in bondage

[SHL]

....
So no, in this community there is no interest in that kind of content. ....

More than 0 is more than "no interest". But ok, I get your point.
More consensual heroine sex vids would exist if the market would be bigger for it.

I barely broke even

So it might as well be “0”

[SHL]

Possibly not, but there are some vids on C4S of superheroines making love, etc.'I've acquired a handful of them over the years - some are done by the same group of well-known actresses who provide the bulk of the SHIP content.
Maybe a scene like that could work as *part* of an overall peril-based script, if not standing alone by itself.

As far as other forums, the only one I know that might take a little bit of interest is SWM, but it doesn't look like they take much to the XXX stuff in general. (Not sure if pron is banned there, although peril pretty much is verboten.) They pretty much stick to the girl power fetish.

However, Maskripper, please feel free to talk about erotic consensual superheroine sex videos here (when you find them) if you like, because I, for one, am thoroughly interested, and I'm sure a 'handful' of others would be, too. I'm writing a good amount of it into my stories.

C4S is a bad metric to base anything off for a number of reasons the biggest one being:

Someone buying consensual Superheroine videos from a specific actress might be a fan of the actress but not necessarily a Superheroine fetishist. Therefore someone like Cali Logan might be making tons of money (using as an example because who doesn’t love Cali Logan) selling consensual supeheroine content but personally I’d buy a video of her wearing a trash bag. Because it’s Cali Fucking Logan.

The original post was addressing THIS community, which I would largely say is cannibalized by SHIP lovers, and SHIP lovers lean non consent… because you know… they love peril… and peril tends not to be consensual.

Another reason why CS4 is a bad metric is because of the cost of production. If you are an actress selling clips you filmed of yourself - your cost of production is nearly 0. So you can do content trade with another actress, film a consensual scene, sell it for $10-20 bucks and get placed on the top selling clips list.

Now I’ve been number 1 on CS4’s top sellers list back in the good ole days - and I’ll be honest… it wasn’t anything to write home about. CS4 takes 40% of the cut of a sale (or at least they use too I don’t bother checking what they are up too lately) so even if you are on the top of that list - unless your overhead cost are 0 - it’s not really a success.

When you hire an actress (I am writing to the community so please don’t think this is a directed message towards producers) your costs are going to be a lot higher then beautiful women who content trade with one another. So you are already walking uphill. And I am confident Maskripper is hoping for high quality consensual content - not Tommy with a tripod and a ring light.

So, a serious production, hiring talent, well made, no content trade, making consensual content with the hopes that CS4 is a good indicator of what’s popular? Sounds like a disaster too me

And before any keyboard warriors come at me…

I’d like to state again… IM SURE THE CONTENT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL… BUT NOT WITH THIS COMMUNITY

Axel Braun has proven people like consensual porn with costumes. He proves there is a market for it and it sells. MOST PEOPLE HEAR NEVER MENTION HIM

Cause this is a SHIP community. If you want to find a big audience who likes costume consensual videos - this ain’t it.

[shevek]

Possibly not, but there are some vids on C4S of superheroines making love, etc.'I've acquired a handful of them over the years - some are done by the same group of well-known actresses who provide the bulk of the SHIP content.
Maybe a scene like that could work as *part* of an overall peril-based script, if not standing alone by itself.

However, Maskripper, please feel free to talk about erotic consensual superheroine sex videos here (when you find them) if you like, because I, for one, am thoroughly interested, and I'm sure a 'handful' of others would be, too. I'm writing a good amount of it into my stories.

C4S is a bad metric to base anything off for a number of reasons

If you want to find a big audience who likes costume consensual videos - this ain’t it.

I'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread already knew this, because they know why they're on this forum.

Sorry I instigated an essay on your part, Damien, and there's nothing at all wrong with you writing it. I respect your work a lot.

Except that I wasn't trying to demonstrate a sales argument at all. I just stated an anecdotal fact that there are some consensual superheroine sex vids on C4S, and that some of them feature actresses with whom we are very familiar. Not a ton, but there are some. I have no idea if they sell, and that wasn't my point. They exist, and one can go find them.

My other brief point was that, although I have no idea how high the quality might be that Maskripper is ideally hoping for, the easiest idea for someone who wanted to include a consensual superheroine sex scene, and sell it to a primarily SHIP audience, would be to stick it in (no pun intended) as a specific segment within a larger plot of peril. Here are some scenarios:

- Two superheroines, a loving lesbian couple in the tightest spandex imaginable, make love before they go out to fight crime, because battling evil together in costume is a turn-on for them. Like Boltie's seductive "come on, Crimson Bolt, don't you want to fight some crime?" from the movie "Super", except the result is consensual. Then the peril part happens later.

Or just the opposite: two superheroines escape from a perilous situation, and that makes them so hot that they celebrate with sex in a concluding scene.

- Two superheroines who don't know each other that well agree to consensual sex in order to escape from a peril situation. They have such a good time doing it that they fall in love. I have a clip like that which stars Kendra James, and believe me, it is extremely hot despite the low budget.

- Some sort of Stockholm syndrome plot which develops into a Harley/Joker dynamic. The nonconsensual evolves into a warped but somehow still mentally justifiable version of consensual.

- A consensual sex situation happens for a while, either between boyfriend and girlfriend, or two girlfriends, and then something goes awry: one of the partners turns evil from an external cause, and the situation devolves into non-consensual peril..order into terrifying chaos.

Just some ideas. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Mr. X]

I think part of the SHIP fantasy is exposing a sex deprived princess type to depravity. The viewer is the villain and part of the fantasy is the villain is in sexual control. If the girl is sleeping around etc then ravishing her doesn't have a thrill to it. Nobody wants to open and already opened xmas present. The nerd taking out his bent up nerd energy on the luscious female. And, next to nuns, super heroines represent that purity ripe for corruption.

As one comedian put it talking about his 70s childhood (paraphrasing here) "You have Wonder Woman tied to a lab table with her own magic lasso and you're telling her your master plan? Are you GAY! If it was me I might let her go to the bathroom after a week."

Also I think this is consensual. What woman knowingly wears a skimpy outfit and interacts with criminals not thinking there's going to be wandering hands. There's a bolt loose somewhere.

[Mr. X]

There is also an issue I come across as a producer I call the "vocal minority" problem. You may get very strong requests for something and those people requesting are very lively but you need to be sure they are not a minority who don't drive sales. I get requests for consensual encounters all the time and I've dabbled in them and get praise from a tiny minority but then my regulars yell "what the heck is this!".

[Freon]

I can only speak for myself on this, and maybe I don't represent a big demographic, but I don't require the scenarios in the material I find arousing to be sexual in nature at all. I'm more into very specific types of peril or effects that the heroine/damsel/etc finds herself in.

That being said, if I am role-playing with someone, and they do have an interest in the sexual aspect, I'll oblige, but I prefer it when the scene plays out as consensual between the two characters.

[SHL]

There is also an issue I come across as a producer I call the "vocal minority" problem. You may get very strong requests for something and those people requesting are very lively but you need to be sure they are not a minority who don't drive sales. I get requests for consensual encounters all the time and I've dabbled in them and get praise from a tiny minority but then my regulars yell "what the heck is this!".

I think this is where a lot of the community gets confused - cause some dogs bark loudly but don’t bite (biting being sales)

It’s foggy now but I remember I had a small group encouraging me to make a consensual film and even invited me onto their discord to promote the project - then none of them bought it

%80 of the people who buy my films I’ve never seen once post in these community boards - but I do know they lurk here as readers.

I made my first film when I was like 20-21? I’m 36 now. I think the source of sales data I have behind what people on these boards are interested in buying despite whatever people on here claim they like

I do know there’s a small community here that tolerate the sexual shit to get what they want out of a film. I also have made films that were SHIP related with no sex - so I have a pretty good idea of what the audience spilt looks like when it comes to buyers

I personally wish more people bought consensual films cause I have tons of what I consider fun and exciting ideas for those kinds of storylines. But I also prefer not to go broke. It would be hard making films if I was homeless

[Mr. X]

It’s foggy now but I remember I had a small group encouraging me to make a consensual film and even invited me onto their discord to promote the project - then none of them bought it

There are certain groups I've learned to stay away from cause they are too small and closed knit. Tickle is one of them. One buys a video then just shares it with everyone else - no sales. Feet is another.

I also get requests for things I can't do in 3D like 600lb women etc. Have to go where the money is.

As you said, you can't go by sales unless you compare cost of production. Two female producers making a consent video for $20 plus beer is not a super heroine video costing a few thousand with special FX and costumes and monsters etc.

[Dazzle1]

Going off on a bit of a tangent.

But on the non consensual sex scenes, how many people want to see the evil doorer have to earn (for lack of a better term) it?

Too often I see supposed heroines overpowered easily or just be dumb and captured

[SHL]

Going off on a bit of a tangent.

But on the non consensual sex scenes, how many people want to see the evil doorer have to earn (for lack of a better term) it?

Too often I see supposed heroines overpowered easily or just be dumb and captured

Sounds like new topic idea, I’d urge you to start a new topic for people to engage and explore that idea in its own space

[batgirl1969]

Imagine Hawk & Dove...a married couple who love each other and fight together yet who somehow are mind controlled into a "Cuckold Contract" allowing poor Dove to be used by a group of men in front of Hawk, while both in costume fully masked, and at the time she is NOT under mind control but out of the obligation of the magical contract she MUST comply and willingly consent to be in many gangbangs in front of Hawk, who is bound and made to watch!
One of my favorite videos is actress Aften Opal in Cuckold Contract from Dogfart, THAT would be amazing to see Dove in!!!

[Jjhw2028]

I actually only like the consensual stuff. I like to find out that the heroine has a dark side or to see her corrupted.

[CaliLogan]

This is a really interesting thread! I dont produce xxx but I have been tinkering with more consensual clip ideas considering how strict all the new CC rules are. I came up with a Supergirl clip recently that was inspired by that show The Boys where SG has this dark side and seduces POV into becoming her sex and crime slave. The clip didnt really have the same sales as my non-con stuff, but it did sell some. Im hoping to see some evolution in the genre (if for nothing else to make my life easier, hahaha)

[CaliLogan]

Possibly not, but there are some vids on C4S of superheroines making love, etc.'I've acquired a handful of them over the years - some are done by the same group of well-known actresses who provide the bulk of the SHIP content.
Maybe a scene like that could work as *part* of an overall peril-based script, if not standing alone by itself.

As far as other forums, the only one I know that might take a little bit of interest is SWM, but it doesn't look like they take much to the XXX stuff in general. (Not sure if pron is banned there, although peril pretty much is verboten.) They pretty much stick to the girl power fetish.

However, Maskripper, please feel free to talk about erotic consensual superheroine sex videos here (when you find them) if you like, because I, for one, am thoroughly interested, and I'm sure a 'handful' of others would be, too. I'm writing a good amount of it into my stories.

C4S is a bad metric to base anything off for a number of reasons the biggest one being:

Someone buying consensual Superheroine videos from a specific actress might be a fan of the actress but not necessarily a Superheroine fetishist. Therefore someone like Cali Logan might be making tons of money (using as an example because who doesn’t love Cali Logan) selling consensual supeheroine content but personally I’d buy a video of her wearing a trash bag. Because it’s Cali Fucking Logan.

The original post was addressing THIS community, which I would largely say is cannibalized by SHIP lovers, and SHIP lovers lean non consent… because you know… they love peril… and peril tends not to be consensual.

Another reason why CS4 is a bad metric is because of the cost of production. If you are an actress selling clips you filmed of yourself - your cost of production is nearly 0. So you can do content trade with another actress, film a consensual scene, sell it for $10-20 bucks and get placed on the top selling clips list.

Now I’ve been number 1 on CS4’s top sellers list back in the good ole days - and I’ll be honest… it wasn’t anything to write home about. CS4 takes 40% of the cut of a sale (or at least they use too I don’t bother checking what they are up too lately) so even if you are on the top of that list - unless your overhead cost are 0 - it’s not really a success.

When you hire an actress (I am writing to the community so please don’t think this is a directed message towards producers) your costs are going to be a lot higher then beautiful women who content trade with one another. So you are already walking uphill. And I am confident Maskripper is hoping for high quality consensual content - not Tommy with a tripod and a ring light.

So, a serious production, hiring talent, well made, no content trade, making consensual content with the hopes that CS4 is a good indicator of what’s popular? Sounds like a disaster too me

And before any keyboard warriors come at me…

I’d like to state again… IM SURE THE CONTENT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL… BUT NOT WITH THIS COMMUNITY

Axel Braun has proven people like consensual porn with costumes. He proves there is a market for it and it sells. MOST PEOPLE HEAR NEVER MENTION HIM

Cause this is a SHIP community. If you want to find a big audience who likes costume consensual videos - this ain’t it.

Awweeee, thanks for all the kind words! And you are totally right. The sale drives what we create for the most part. Sometimes Ill shoot something and think its super cool and gonna sell awesome, then it doesnt. Then there are times the opposite happens and a clip will surprise me by selling more and Ill shoot more like it. Guess its like that saying about throwing $#!% at the wall to see what sticks

[Victor]

I know that many in our community love it when the heroine gets dominated and unmasked ....or even r_ped.
99% of general fetish videos with heroines which have sex scenes ... have non-consensual ones.
Some even with the "trope" that the heroine starts to enjoy the sex nonetheless (which is quite wicked by the way).

So I wonder:
Is there sooooo little interest in watching erotic, sexy, consensual sex scenes with heroines/masked heroines?
For example: Let's have a Batman in a full rubber suit and a Catwoman in a great latex suit.
Solid actors who can play the part.
They are heavily attracted to each other. They are playing with each other. Fighting. Teasing. Flirting.
He knows he should arrest her. She knows she should stay away from him.
Their fighting becomes foreplay. They try to unmask each other but keep their masks on.
....and then a sexy, erotic sex scene with both of them in their costumes
He could use a Batarang to create some openings om their costumes... or she could use her claws.
I would LOVE to see that!
Could be even a softcore with just the boobs shown.
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Or Black Scorpion and the Detective. Let them have a history like in the TV show.
But then bring it to the next level that a horny Black Scorpion manages that Steve forgets about arresting her ;-)
She knows the danger of having sex with him while she is in costume.. but she wants it anyway and his hands wander to her mask several times while they have sex.
#tension #erotic

I would LOVE to see that as well!
But I guess that will never happen in a fetish video.... at least not like I want it.

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What do you guys think?
I know this fetish is (mostly) about depowering powerful women in different ways.
But would you be interested in consensual sex scenes with (masked) heroines as well?

Aren't you describing Axel Braun parody films, and isn't it mainstream porn?

[Kitten]

Alot being said here....

First... there is product out there, as pointed out, by Axel Braun, so there is a market for it since god bless him, keeps chugging them out. Also as noted, it falls under general porn, and while it does have the costumes and the sex, other aspects get seriously shorted (anything resembling a plot)

Second...
Kudos to SHL... when the topic came up, your video deviation from the Uninvited series, labeled 'Invited' was the most obvious title i can think of. The trailers did look neat, and i had doubts about the profit viability, but figured if peeps like Axel can do it, maybe you can too.

Lastly my general comments...

As observed this is a peril community, and consensual only has a little over lap here. The vocal minority can be... testing on the nerves. I still recall someone that was super into 'shrinking' plaguing the community over content, and Mr. X after producing a freebie of it, i believe saw the effort rewarded with redoubled efforts for more content. That said, these people are still a part of the community, and since they are in the minority, their interest is mostly untapped.

I think it's possible to acknowledge them and at least dialogue with them. If you were invited into a discord group about it, i would suggest to start a kick starter project? If this community is so avid and vocal, start a kick start project, which at that point has them supporting the effort or giving you a legit reason to tell them that there is no support for this project. If they want it to happen they will all collectively have to cover the cost for the production and make it worth you time, or acknowledge and admit that they're a bunch of cheap leeches trying to sucker you into a project that's destined for a red bottom line. At this point you make sure you have a bite, and not a lot of noisy barking.

A more casual approach could also be a compromise... not to have an entire video about it, but is it possible to have SOME consensual content in there to throw them a bone, before rolling in with the usual peril? Maybe something consensual with a lover or some such that becomes a hostage later, or as part of a plot, that this lover turns out to be a bad guy that betrays them or some such? You keep the peril aspect mainline, but have some consensual content in there for these really vocal people. This however does require more thought, plot, and such, and i can understand if the cost does not make it feasible, but like the above suggestion, you can drop it off on kick starter, as a possible content script to make as a add on to a project you're already working on.

(shrugs)

It's capitalism... if people will buy it, then someone will produce it. I remember a time when no one was making any SHIP content, and then someone made some, and there was a huge demand for it. Now there are more producers than you can reasonably keep track of. (I mostly watch the What's new thread here, or Heroine Movies to see what's going around these days...)

[SHL]

Awweeee, thanks for all the kind words! And you are totally right. The sale drives what we create for the most part. Sometimes Ill shoot something and think its super cool and gonna sell awesome, then it doesnt. Then there are times the opposite happens and a clip will surprise me by selling more and Ill shoot more like it. Guess its like that saying about throwing $#!% at the wall to see what sticks

Didn't expect you to see it but glad that you did



The work I have made that I am most proud of tends to never be the ones that drive the conversation on the forums

Superheroine content does tend to always live in the grey area that credit card companies don't tolerate. If more of this audience bought consensual products, it would make life a lot easier thats for sure

[Maskripper]

Aren't you describing Axel Braun parody films, and isn't it mainstream porn?

Axel Braun parody films have consensual sex scenes and are porn flicks with costumes, but that's about it.
Anything else I would like to see... like story, real erotic elements, good actors, real interactions, suspense, action... isn't in them.
Take the first Black Scorpion movie as an example... that is a suspenseful movie with action and many erotic, sexy scenes incl. a (too short) sex scene with Black Scorpion and the detective.

[Kitten]

I think the content we have interest in can be broken down in to broad categories...

Type I - Main steam Superhero Features that are made for a general audience that is PG ish, but has a fetish element you can appreciate. The old Batman series (with Batgirl) or the Marvel Movies these days (with Black Widow and others), would fall into this category.

Type II - Fan Cosplay - These are smaller productions by Cosplayers who see the community and produce content for it. They sometimes have a line that they don't cross and often won't expose body parts or will keep more adult stuff out. Tons of Cosplayers out there that would fall into this category. You guys would know better than me, but back in the day (not any more) a Cosplayer named Alisa Kiss would fit into this category.

Type III - Cosplay Porn - This is porn in costumes. Axel Braun falls in here. Doesn't need much explanation.

Type IV - Amatuer Superheroine Peril Production - These are the productions we look at the most because we are the target audience they're looking to sell to. These days... too numerous to mention. This would be content by people that are perhaps part of the community and 'gets it'. They might (?) even enjoy producing the content which is a bonus because in a sense they're being compensated for indulging something they enjoy doing. Hard to say who would fall into this category, but from what i've seen i would think people like Darla Crane, Christina Carter, Kendra James, and Cali Logan might fall into this category?

Type V - Superheroine Peril Production Company - This is a major production company with multiple title in the genre and often accepts scripts for custom videos on the genre. They not only produce content for the community but may go to the community to produce custom content for them, which they will resale. The largest one i can think of for this is the Japanese 'Giga' juggernaut that has a bench of directing and acting talent. A Western equivalent might be 'The battle for Earth' or "Next Global Crisis"


If you're looking for consensual sex... Type I and II is out. The topic is too adult for them.

If you're looking for consensual sex... Type IV and Type V are poor considerations, because consensual runs contrary to the general notion of 'peril'. Not that it doesn't exist, just as a general rule it's harder to fit consensual sex into the storyline.

ie. In the Giga video - GHMT-62 - Spandexer Moon Angel -Exposed Mating Unsafe Day-
https://www.akiba-web.com/product/index ... ct_id=6574
Sexual will actually weaken if not out right rob the Superheroine of her powers. So there is a scene of this married heroine having consensual sex with her husband, which leaves her in a weakened condition for peril later. I believe he also shows up later mind controlled to 'rob her powers' some more, cause who knows how to better than her husband?

Storylines like these are far and few between, but they exist.

Type IV - A lot of these producers won't do adult stuff. SOL. Some will. Not cheap, but i know people do it. If the video has resale value, there is room to negotiate since they will take it and put it out as content. In a sense you become the producer since youre paying for it to be done.

Type III - For someone like you... this is the sweet spot. Porn for assorted legal reasons is often consensual. Porn in costumes checks off most of the boxes you're looking for.

So I think the original question is flawed.

Is there interest in sex scense with masked heroines?

Obviously, yes. As noted you can find it 'somewhere' in production. (Most likely in a Type III Production).

If you're asking about this community in general... I think they can appreciate everything, but really their sweet spot is going to be Type IV and V productions which cater to them. It's a weird inverse. Usually were in a closet minority in the norm, but here were in the majority and establish our own norm. Personally i'm not going to be ashamed of it. If you're looking for a forum that caters to this stuff i'm sure there is a forum somewhere, just not here.

[Dazzle1]

I agree with Kitten

Type 3 if you want consensual

Type 4 if you want the superheroine concept with non consensual or bdsm sex. That relates to the Wonder Woman envisioned by Moulton or the early Barbara Gordon Batgirl

Type 5 Would there be a market for english dubbed Giga, only problem is despite the outstanding costumes the plots seem very unoriginal.