The Ultimate Superheroines Forum

I've started this discussion in its own thread, as requested.

I feel there is still plenty of life in the genre but it takes good writing, acting and production value to hit a homerun these days. A billion dollar mega-hit isn't nearly as easy as it was four years ago, pre-Covid.

What do people think?

I think its more breaking up into the smaller producers and away from big screen. Anime still is going strong so the genre itself isn't dying. The problem is all these characters people want to use but are locked up in copyright jail. Only saving grace is DC and Marvel comics are so messed up right now they can't really pursue copyright infringement.

I feel like it just got oversaturated like all "Flavor of the Month" type things eventually do. I personally, and again this is my own personal feeling, haven't been excited for a single super hero movie since Endgame as I just got the feeling they were mailing it in and milking it after that with all the obscure characters and things they ran off to make movies about. I wanted to be excited about Eternals, but at the same time couldn't figure out why Marvel would waste their time with an obscure team that literally hardly any modern day movie goer or kid wanting their parents to buy action figures would have heard of. The upcoming Dr. Strange movie and possibly Thor Love and Thunder(I've really enjoyed the stand alone Thor films) are the only super hero films I've remotely been interested in over the last few years, though I am somewhat hopeful they will do well with the Batgirl movie so we can see more of the character in the future.

They could probably drag me back in with a decent X-men film and that might be why I'm somewhat interested in seeing the new Dr. Strange movie since it's been heavily teased Professor X is in it at some point. Otherwise the superhero genre has kind of run its course at the box office for me. As a kid that grew up in the 80s I'm more excited about Top Gun than anything else at this point, lol.

I pray to god the rebooted origin story trend IS dead. To have 3 different origin films with different actors in 15 years is just wasting everyone's time. Everyone knows Spiderman got bitten by a radioactive spider, just get the fuck on with it.

I must admit I'm a little tired of the "normal" comic movies without masked heroines, especially the Marvel ones.
It was a little too much for me lately as they are pumping out that many movies and TV shows.
Have some catching up to do on that front.
But well, we will see....if the numbers get down they will release less and it will stabilize....I guess.
I think there will always be interest in such movies and TV shows, so it will always be there.

As a fan of Westerns, I mourn the fact that so very few of them are made these days. In the 50s and 60s they were everywhere. I wonder if super films will go the same route.

Let's see how big of a blockbuster Doctor Strange is this weekend....people may be getting tired of superhero stuff but I think us mere mortals will always look to stronger beings to entertain us....has been that way since ancient Greece!!

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

As a fan of Westerns, I mourn the fact that so very few of them are made these days. In the 50s and 60s they were everywhere. I wonder if super films will go the same route.

Genres go in cycles. When in the 80s they made "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." the western movie stuntmen were all living in retirement homes. They had to get them to train a new generation for the TV show and with the revival of westerns we saw movies and a few TV shows, but nothing like then. Most of the successful western movies of th last 20 years had actors known for them like Clint Eastwood, remakes of better movies like "The Magnificent Seven,' or directors with the clout to get one.

Superhero shows will burn out eventually mostly because poor quality will sour the audiences. That's why so many of the CW shows were cancelled. Networks will no longer keep weak shows on with poor ratings hoping that they will get a better audience once they have seen their competitors' shows or reviews will make them interested.

It may be that there is just a glut. MCU, Disney+, Amazon and DCU, Everybody is putting out content because the technologies have caught up to the story lines.

Everyone has heard the snarky banter, seen the CGI explosions. It may be that the stories can’t rely on the spectacle anymore. Good story telling and engaging characters will be more important because we have seen the space monsters already. People care less about the Batmobile than Batman. In foreign markets where these movies will do great, but the US audiences will get jaded.

Around town, I've been seeing posters for a kids' summer camp held by a salsa dance studio.
The themes for the camp are "Disney, Superheroes, and Circus".
Since I doubt any kid knows what the hell a circus is at this point, the draw is probably the first two.
Everyone who enjoys pop culture knows exactly what a superhero is. The genre isn't going anywhere.

THIS is Superman. MAKE THIS!

My opinion is difficult because in Argentina there are not so many fanatics. I think they are still strong, but it has changed logically, because societies change. I liked it more in the 80's -2000. I'll be honest, there are many superhero movies, but I only liked Nolan's Batman trilogy, X-men and animated movies.

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

THIS is Superman. MAKE THIS!

Watching that again, all I could think about was if he didn’t save them , he was going to get accused of ripping the wings off…

sneakly wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Watching that again, all I could think about was if he didn’t save them , he was going to get accused of ripping the wings off…

Pulls a Homelander, whistles and flies off.... I saw nothing.

Excellent scene, I will admit, but my problem with Routh was always that his face looked like it was always CGI in that movie. It wasn't the same at all when he was on Legends of Tomorrow. I blame the movie's cinematographer and director for that.

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Excellent scene, I will admit, but my problem with Routh was always that his face looked like it was always CGI in that movie. It wasn't the same at all when he was on Legends of Tomorrow. I blame the movie's cinematographer and director for that.

I think here he was trying to look stoic.

I think that superheroes as a genre are evergreen.

However, particularly with Marvel, I think they've picked off most of the low-hanging fruit. There are still some properties they haven't touched yet, like Thunderbolts, and I'm looking forward to Ant-Man 3 and Guardians 3, but right now the biggest thing they haven't done is Fantastic Four and X-Men, and both of those have been adapted badly in recent years. They haven't been in a hurry to do either of those, and I'm guessing they want to let people forget about the previous Fantastic Four movies before they relaunch the title.

DC, on the other hand, probably has a lot more untapped potential, but they don't have a solid movie team bringing them to film. Hopefully Aquaman 2 and Wonder Woman 3 will be good. Flashpoint has every appearance of becoming a major bomb, but I don't care because it's not like Flashpoint was actually good in the comics. I really don't see a Justice League 2 coming out any time soon. They'll probably have to relaunch both Superman and Wonder Woman first.

Disney Maevel has only used from the older X-Men movies, Quicksilver in WandaVision and Patrick Stewart's Professor X. Whether this is due to them wanting to recast or not pay so much to have the more expensive actors replay their roles isn't mentioned. But I'm sure money is a factor while they figure out how to use the characters. The merging of the multiverse lets them absorb even those bad versions as variant worlds.

WB's DC has had serious issues with decent movies after starting off so much better than the Marvel made for TV movies of the 1980s. There is no one at the top that understands how to fix them before they release what is mostly junk.

visitor - Hmm you bring up a good point. Will they then use the excuse of an "incursion" to recast the whole MCU.

BTW given the massive amount of damage these super beings do (seems like the majority of MCU plots are them fighting themselves) I'm kind of siding the the Sentinels on wiping them out.

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I've started this discussion in its own thread, as requested.

I feel there is still plenty of life in the genre but it takes good writing, acting and production value to hit a homerun these days. A billion dollar mega-hit isn't nearly as easy as it was four years ago, pre-Covid.

What do people think?

Is this question about only movies released to general public but also about Porn derived superheroine videos. ?
Thank You

I was referring to the mainstream market, hence the billion dollar figure quoted for movies like Avengers Endgame. However we can cover whether porn videos are losing steam as well. I know that producers aren't churning out the quantity or quality they 7sed to with all the piracy going on these days.

For what it’s worth, I think Marvel will focus the next five to ten years on making the X-Men (and possibly Fantastic Four) what the Avengers has been. This way they can phase out the original Avengers and then reboot the franchise in 2030. This makes the most sense to me in avoiding over saturating the superhero market and avoiding comparison between characters.

sugarcoater wrote: ↑

1 year ago

For what it’s worth, I think Marvel will focus the next five to ten years on making the X-Men (and possibly Fantastic Four) what the Avengers has been. This way they can phase out the original Avengers and then reboot the franchise in 2030. This makes the most sense to me in avoiding over saturating the superhero market and avoiding comparison between characters.

I agree that the X-Men will probably receive more attention in the coming decade, but there is yet to be a genuinely good FF movie and studios could be leery of a big-budget effects movie with such a poor box office track record. My answer to that would be to make a gritty Fantastic Four film like "Logan" was for Wolverine.

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

1 year ago

sugarcoater wrote: ↑

1 year ago

For what it’s worth, I think Marvel will focus the next five to ten years on making the X-Men (and possibly Fantastic Four) what the Avengers has been. This way they can phase out the original Avengers and then reboot the franchise in 2030. This makes the most sense to me in avoiding over saturating the superhero market and avoiding comparison between characters.

I agree that the X-Men will probably receive more attention in the coming decade, but there is yet to be a genuinely good FF movie and studios could be leery of a big-budget effects movie with such a poor box office track record. My answer to that would be to make a gritty Fantastic Four film like "Logan" was for Wolverine.

Perhaps a point to analyze is why the FF franchise has not been a blockbuster on par with most of the Marvel films. They seem to have a good collection of quality villains, which is essential to a good vs. evil conflict. Perhaps it is the difficulty of trying to establish all four characters at once? The origin story will probably have to be referenced once again, but perhaps they could focus on just one or two of the characters and then expand to all four. Choose one of the four to the the "Wolverine" character around which the story revolves.
The key to making the franchise work will clearly be the casting. Hopefully they can pull it off.

Could also be a symptom of bad writing.

Mr. X wrote: ↑

1 year ago

Could also be a symptom of bad writing.

I think that’s a very likely assessment. They need a stronger plot and better dialogue than the previous iterations.

sugarcoater wrote: ↑

1 year ago

Mr. X wrote: ↑

1 year ago

Could also be a symptom of bad writing.

I think that’s a very likely assessment. They need a stronger plot and better dialogue than the previous iterations.

1. Bad writing.
2. Budget constraints.
3. copyright issues.
4. Interesting characters.

The boys is a good example. Maybe an occasional fight but a lot is a disjointed story which takes forever to unfold.

Visitor wrote: ↑

2 years ago

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

As a fan of Westerns, I mourn the fact that so very few of them are made these days. In the 50s and 60s they were everywhere. I wonder if super films will go the same route.

Genres go in cycles. When in the 80s they made "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." the western movie stuntmen were all living in retirement homes. They had to get them to train a new generation for the TV show and with the revival of westerns we saw movies and a few TV shows, but nothing like then. Most of the successful western movies of th last 20 years had actors known for them like Clint Eastwood, remakes of better movies like "The Magnificent Seven,' or directors with the clout to get one.

Superhero shows will burn out eventually mostly because poor quality will sour the audiences. That's why so many of the CW shows were cancelled. Networks will no longer keep weak shows on with poor ratings hoping that they will get a better audience once they have seen their competitors' shows or reviews will make them interested.

I agree with this. There has been in my view a glut of superhero films and television series, and when you have so much of a particular genre in the marketplace, there is due to be a market correction, the first rate and well-conceived superhero genre properties will continue to prosper and flourish, but I suspect the time is over when Hollywood could go rifle through their intellectual property library and with little forethought and planning just trot out another version of a superhero franchise and just assume audiences will flock to their films or television shows.

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

1 year ago

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I've started this discussion in its own thread, as requested.

I feel there is still plenty of life in the genre but it takes good writing, acting and production value to hit a homerun these days. A billion dollar mega-hit isn't nearly as easy as it was four years ago, pre-Covid.

What do people think?

Is this question about only movies released to general public but also about Porn derived superheroine videos. ?
Thank You

I am curious, there are several, not many peril superheroine videos, not all with full blown sex either, with good story lines that do not seem to finish the story lines, or they make the film into three parts.

That I suppose can entice many to want to buy the second and third in the series as long as the first and thus the second have great script and acting, and yes special effects where needed such as in flying, etc.

There are tons of porn fuck films. None have or very few have a good story line. Back in the day there was the 1993 film Chameleon starring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlyn_Gere.

This was a rarity for sure. But, the Superheroine Videos perhaps with better work on them could have done better financially, maybe, and some could have broke into the public market though there was implied forced sex, it may, just may have done better. Especially with Alexis Monroe and company.

Many of her films implied full sexual assault but did not happen, Sex Addict with the other actress is one example of that.

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

1 year ago

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

1 year ago

DrDominator9 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I've started this discussion in its own thread, as requested.

I feel there is still plenty of life in the genre but it takes good writing, acting and production value to hit a homerun these days. A billion dollar mega-hit isn't nearly as easy as it was four years ago, pre-Covid.

What do people think?

Is this question about only movies released to general public but also about Porn derived superheroine videos. ?
Thank You

I am curious, there are several, not many peril superheroine videos, not all with full blown sex either, with good story lines that do not seem to finish the story lines, or they make the film into three parts.

That I suppose can entice many to want to buy the second and third in the series as long as the first and thus the second have great script and acting, and yes special effects where needed such as in flying, etc.

There are tons of porn fuck films. None have or very few have a good story line. Back in the day there was the 1993 film Chameleon starring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlyn_Gere.

This was a rarity for sure. But, the Superheroine Videos perhaps with better work on them could have done better financially, maybe, and some could have broke into the public market though there was implied forced sex, it may, just may have done better. Especially with Alexis Monroe and company.

Many of her films implied full sexual assault but did not happen, Sex Addict with the other actress is one example of that.

That of course is the divide between softcore and hardcore SHIP, that softcore SHIP is more about story and the journey of the heroine as she is defeated and humiliated, playing all of the beats of the story, which includes implied and or simulated sexual content, never overt actual sexual content, and hardcore SHIP which has full blown sexual content, but oftentimes, especially dependent on the producer, the full story or journey is not there, the beats are missing, it is more about performance in the sexual content scenes rather than the acting, which in my biased softcore preference judge is not as important. I have yet to see the perfect film that encapsulates fully both hardcore and softcore elements. The other issue of course is that a lot of these softcore companies, particularly under that SHG umbrella, I don't believe they are able to produce overt sexual content because of an edict from their credit card processing company.