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All the Batman films have been dark and depressing.

I think it would be great if what with the right 2 characters to play Batman and the boy wonder, along with supporting cast.

This film would have the same screw ball criminals, butler, aunt, as well as mayor and goofy police chief.

You would need a powerful director like Gunn to be interested in the project to convince the company to do a movie like that. Otherwise they keep writing dark and depressing. After all Aquaman was funny and did great. The Suicide Squad is dark and funny, but it is too soon to tell financially.

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

@Mr X

I like it. Because of the time, they do't age, but rather, change appearance. And Alfred, dies but is regenerated into another man of the same age with a good heart. I really like your idea.

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dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

@Mr X

I like it. Because of the time, they do't age, but rather, change appearance. And Alfred, dies but is regenerated into another man of the same age with a good heart. I really like your idea.

Yeah could be Alfred's son who knew about the bat cave but forgot over the years.

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

@Mr X

I like it. Because of the time, they do't age, but rather, change appearance. And Alfred, dies but is regenerated into another man of the same age with a good heart. I really like your idea.

Yeah could be Alfred's son who knew about the bat cave but forgot over the years.

It would work better if he DIDN'T know about the Batcave, discovered it accidentally whilst polishing the Shakespeare bust and then was the one who defrosted them. But he gives it too much juice, their cells absorb too much of the freeze chemical (it can't be just water or Freezes victims would thaw out naturally) and that changes their appearance slightly.
Cue three lookalikes stepping into the 21st century.

It's a fun concept Mr X. You would need a way to reinvent those 60s villains though.

tallyho wrote: ↑

2 years ago

It's a fun concept Mr X. You would need a way to reinvent those 60s villains though.

Well I was thinking they are themselves but in modern times. So they are using old 1960s tech and their mentality to deal with modern criminals. And slowly the criminals start doing the villain thing. Kind of like what happened in Kick Ass. So at first they deal with street gang members and quickly learn they have to step up their game. Also some of the villains maybe around as older people. Or their kids who hold onto the legacy.

Anything can work with the right talent and team behind it. Generally a few key things need to go right for an 'unusual' concept to be well remembered no matter the era or popular genres.

First you need TALENT. It's tricky to make a whacky concept VIBE. Much harder than it is to do something super duper serious. You have the benefit of just observing all the stupid serious shit around you in your real life to help you make your dark and brooding concept feel relevant. You have to put in some extra elbow greese... and GOOD greese to make something that people don't see on an everyday basis feel like it matters.

The second thing you need are a writer and Director who actually care about the property and what it ought to be. If someone were making a 'modern' version of the Campy Batman show, you would preferably want someone who loved the series and thus, was in no mind to 'make it their own' to the point of losing its soul, and more importantly does not RESENT it.

Beyond that you need no studio intervention... the reason this comes THIRD on the list is because if you're Writer and Director DON'T care, actively resent the property or just want to take a thing that exists and 'steal' it for their own purposes... that's when you actually NEED studio intervention to step in and say 'um... no. We asked you to make a modernized campy 60's batman movie... We didn't ask you for the Dark Knight... you fucking tool.' The problem is, if 'Studio Intervention' becomes a requirement... then you've already nearly guaranteed a failed product... at least in as much as it's not going to be what you ASKED for. Often enough a director who doesn't care about a thing makes it their own and makes a GOOD thing from that... but they still failed to make the thing they were asked for.

Edit: The real fact of the matter is that, you probably aren't making something that's going to be hugely immediately popular or profitable. We still occasionally get a Western from time to time, and while they almost never make any money... they very often tend to be GOOD because you've got a team of talent who wanted to make the thing so badly that they just didn't necessarily care about the probability of a lax return... and so tend to put out memorable films.

According to Wikipedia "Batman XXX: A Porn Parody. It was nominated for seventeen awards in sixteen categories and won seven awards, more than any other film that year. In porn it performed well. But "BATMAN: RETURN OF THE CAPED CRUSADERS" was not the same.

"BATMAN: RETURN OF THE CAPED CRUSADERS" kept the style, but suffered from a bad plot. Now BATMAN AND HARLEY showed a better plot and humor of both the old 66 TV show and the Batman:TAS stories. Where else could Harley get Batman to stop the car so she could chase down the guy that stood her up at her high school prom.

What would be catered to with this? Some old timers? Is the new generation even interested in this level of camp? Companies do have to make things for the future, not for fans who are fading away.

When they tried in the last 10 years to do a more lighthearted Batman in animation it did not get that good a response

This would be a movie, but I see the same problem coming up.

I really like the idea, now that is a film I would come out to the theatre to see.

As long as Batgirl gets strapped to the pattern cutter by lezdom Catwoman!!!!

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

What would be catered to with this? Some old timers? Is the new generation even interested in this level of camp? Companies do have to make things for the future, not for fans who are fading away.

You know? The more I see people today... the more I'm starting to see that nobody really knows what they want until they see it. They don't know what to GIVE other people either. The things we like for no good reason and then suddenly turn on viciously for pretty much an identical delivery are as variable as which side of the bed we woke up on sometimes.

It's my opinion you just should focus on trying to make the thing you would want to see. If you do that, you've got the best chance of making something some other people actually want to see. So if someone WANTS to make it, and can convince someone to let them make it... so much the better they make it good... and then let the viewers decide if they like it or not on their own... fans or no fans... I'm less and less convinced that 'fan' viewing habits actually do a good job dictating what can and can't succeed. I mean I don't mean to discount a persons genre and preferences as nonfactors or anything. Obviously if you just want a quick buck... your best bet is to just toss out some trash in a popular genre... but that's just the way DISENFRANCHISE your 'fans' in that field...

Then again, I still can't fathom why anyone would ever voluntarily watch a Transformer's film...

Not cause its Transformer's mind you...

but cause like... they were awful.

tallyho wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

@Mr X

I like it. Because of the time, they do't age, but rather, change appearance. And Alfred, dies but is regenerated into another man of the same age with a good heart. I really like your idea.

Yeah could be Alfred's son who knew about the bat cave but forgot over the years.

It would work better if he DIDN'T know about the Batcave, discovered it accidentally whilst polishing the Shakespeare bust and then was the one who defrosted them. But he gives it too much juice, their cells absorb too much of the freeze chemical (it can't be just water or Freezes victims would thaw out naturally) and that changes their appearance slightly.
Cue three lookalikes stepping into the 21st century.

It's a fun concept Mr X. You would need a way to reinvent those 60s villains though.

@Tallyho, lets all get together and write the script, .

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

What would be catered to with this? Some old timers? Is the new generation even interested in this level of camp? Companies do have to make things for the future, not for fans who are fading away.

Hello Mr.X, I am one of the old geezers, I think a complete retake of 60's Batman and Robin would be successful.

But, the acting can't be forced like it was in Beverly Hill Billies movie or in The Flinstones, they both had skilled actors who over did it and the movies thus failed.

batgirl1969 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

As long as Batgirl gets strapped to the pattern cutter by lezdom Catwoman!!!!

This is the main thing that we need from such a movie.

ltrltr wrote: ↑

2 years ago

batgirl1969 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

As long as Batgirl gets strapped to the pattern cutter by lezdom Catwoman!!!!

This is the main thing that we need from such a movie.

I think a complete reshoot of the series where batgirl get put in every bat-trap would work. Also, make them hard R ratings…. Jim Weathers as executive producer.

Batman and Robin was a bit campy. People shat on it then. I like it now.

dragontigerandhorse1985 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

Hello Mr.X, I am one of the old geezers, I think a complete retake of 60's Batman and Robin would be successful.

So am I. So am I.

Mr. X wrote: ↑

2 years ago

I was thinking of a scenario where Mr. Freeze had zapped Batman, Robin and Bat Girl. Alfred brings them back to the bat cave to defrost but has a heart attack and dies before he turns the knob up to full. So it takes 60 years for them to thaw. So now they are in 2021 but still have that 1960's mentality.

That's a great start!


But please let whoever finds them see a skeleton in butler clothing!

MightyHypnotic wrote: ↑

2 years ago

But please let whoever finds them see a skeleton in butler clothing!

I was thinking exactly that. And the mansion got torn down and replaced by something else. Nobody knows about the bat cave.

sneakly wrote: ↑

2 years ago

ltrltr wrote: ↑

2 years ago

batgirl1969 wrote: ↑

2 years ago

As long as Batgirl gets strapped to the pattern cutter by lezdom Catwoman!!!!

This is the main thing that we need from such a movie.

I think a complete reshoot of the series where batgirl get put in every bat-trap would work. Also, make them hard R ratings…. Jim Weathers as executive producer.

With Diana Knight as Catwoman.