Sasha Calle as DCEU's Supergirl

[Mr. X]

And the whole "chocolate, vanilla and strawberry ice cream is all the same cause they are all ice cream" argument isn't flying anymore.


Pizza cutter argument.

[McGheeny]

Sasha Calle does not play Kara Zor-El here, but Cir-El
Let's face it because on this misunderstanding (until a few hours ago I believed that Calle interpreted Kara) a war (lol) is being created without sense due to the costume !!!
The costume is different because it's not Kara's !!!

Make no mistake. No matter which name you are using, Kara Zor-El or Cir-El, they are presenting this character as Supergirl.

[crouchingtiger1950]

Hello Batgirl 1969

I agree, this lady does not on the face of things say, Hello world, my name is Supergirl.

Supergirl should be a natural blonde. And her body language, well, after the film is made, we'll see.

[shevek]

Sasha Calle does not play Kara Zor-El here, but Cir-El
Let's face it because on this misunderstanding (until a few hours ago I believed that Calle interpreted Kara) a war (lol) is being created without sense due to the costume !!!
The costume is different because it's not Kara's !!!

You missed my comment above, where I said that Heelvsbabyface got it correct.
Most likely, it is NOT Cir-El. It's Lara Lane Kent from the 2015 Injustice: Gods Among Us series.
Granted, they may indeed still call her "Kara". But it's the Lara Lane Kent costume...guaranteed.

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[Imagineer]

The drunken stagger that is DC just makes me want to think about anything else while waiting for the next Marvel show.

[brdiy]

The drunken stagger that is DC just makes me want to think about anything else while waiting for the next Marvel show.

Or did the fact that the Captain Marvel made tons of $$$ for the MCU set a bad precedent of sorts for superheroine-dom? Hollywood probably felt that they can get away with superheroines wearing jumpsuits, and now everyone is doing it.

[Paolone0971]

Sasha Calle does not play Kara Zor-El here, but Cir-El
Let's face it because on this misunderstanding (until a few hours ago I believed that Calle interpreted Kara) a war (lol) is being created without sense due to the costume !!!
The costume is different because it's not Kara's !!!

You missed my comment above, where I said that Heelvsbabyface got it correct.
Most likely, it is NOT Cir-El. It's Lara Lane Kent from the 2015 Injustice: Gods Among Us series.
Granted, they may indeed still call her "Kara". But it's the Lara Lane Kent costume...guaranteed.

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there is a huge chatter around this (lol) problem and the truth as usual comes to the surface.
What I wrote I wrote only because on facebook I had a dialogue that instilled in me more than a doubt but after spending about an hour in web comics and the result is that no news talks about Sasha Calle who play Cir- El or other DC female characters.
Only Kara Zor-El is officially mentioned

[Imagineer]

Or did the fact that the Captain Marvel made tons of $$$ for the MCU set a bad precedent of sorts for superheroine-dom? Hollywood probably felt that they can get away with superheroines wearing jumpsuits, and now everyone is doing it.

No, the Hollywood default has been skin-tight full-coverage for superheroines since the big-screen revival began because they felt they couldn't get away with leotards and miniskirts. The catsuit is the safe sexualization compromise.

Though I wonder if the practical limitations of CG also had some secondary influence -- skin is more difficult to get right than skin-tight fabric or plastic.

[batgirl1969]

mmm skin tight catsuits all day long....EXCEPT on Supergirl!! lol
Look at the recent Star Girl costume, that is pretty darn near perfect!!!

[Mr. X]

Does anyone think Chris Hemsworth, with all those pics of him bulking up and getting more buff, is going to wear some baggy clothes in the next Thor movie? He's NOT going to be sexualized and used as fan service? No bare arms or shirts off scenes? Not sure what the complaints about sexualization are about when, on the other end, no one has an issue with gratuitous shirts off scenes. In the Snyder cut they have a slow motion of Mamoa shirtless and wet.

[shevek]

The anti-woke mob think the old stuff better represents how women look -- it doesn't. The pro-woke mob think the new stuff is a truer representation of how women really look -- it isn't. Hollywood isn't going to waste time searching for someone with breasts or abs shaped to superheroine perfection, when they can get someone who's close enough, and fake the rest. R5

So then someone like Megan Rapinoe or Pee Wee Herman would be fine for all your fetish desires cause "parts is parts"?

I assume you mentioned Megan Rapinoe as an example, because of the recent announcement by Victoria's Secret
about their "VS Line"?
If you didn't know about it, though - get ready to have your mind blown. Although it's probably not much of a surprise.
(the only choice I can really get down with is Priyanka Chopra, although I have no idea why she would need the money)

[lionbadger]

It's a forum, this is our whole raison d'etre to express views on this sort of topic. It doesn't matter where the pics are from, whether official or not, it's fine to express an opinion about how it seems to look, what we would prefer to see or why we think they've done it this way rather than that.

point of order re 'expressing views'

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[Imagineer]

Not sure what the complaints about sexualization are about

Not sure what complaints about sexualization you're not sure about.

[Mr. X]

Not sure what the complaints about sexualization are about

Not sure what complaints about sexualization you're not sure about.

I'm not sure what that question means.

[McGheeny]

DC, despite themselves, has done sexy bodysuits on female characters. The actresses below show off a fantastic formfitting catsuit designed to enhance their female form.

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These sexy ladies had no problem wearing sexy Catwoman clothing. Lynda Carter boldly wore the popular Wonder Woman uniform. The 1984 Supergirl uniform flattered Helen Slater's female form. Why do these designers think they can improve on these quality outfits?

[superheroinelinks]

I'm NOT complaining

[Femina]

Did Captain Marvel get better from the original pictures?

And we know they can do better costumes. Lady Liberty from the Union looked pretty darn good.

You can't compare the framed and finalized costume of Lady Liberty to the stunt costume snapped by a cell phone in the middle of the day we see of Supergirl here. It hasn't even got the cg'd cape for crying out loud. It's a flawed comparison.

Also, Captain Marvel's costume was fine.

They know how to get it right if they want.

That's an official press still. The two aren't equitable.

Take Mary Marvel, strip her of her fancy pants 'center of the camera suit, put her in the stunt rig, remove all the post processing and shoot it from an wonky angle, release it in its own thread and observe the forum proceed to lose its shit that she isn't good enough.

It's like watching a pack of vultures pick at an orphaned cob without giving it the chance to become a swan. Let it rest, wait for an official image before you bite your tongues off and bleed the prospect dead on arrival.

[Mr. X]

So basically all ice cream flavors are the same since they are all "ice cream".

"When all the colors are the same you only need one crayon in the box."

[McGheeny]

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Oh Look! Not a bodysuit or pantsuit, short hair cut, or sensible shoes in the bunch.

[superheroinelinks]

[Mr. X]

Just give us a Faora and Wonder Woman fight.

[Nykron]

Leaked BTS pic:

[brdiy]

One of the great mysteries of life.

Women walking around in real life wearing short skirts, short shorts or bikinis is ok because people should be free to wear whatever it is they are comfortable in.

But women on TV or the movies wearing the same outfits are immediately called out for "female objectification"?

[Mr. X]

But women on TV or the movies wearing the same outfits are immediately called out for "female objectification"?

And dudes shirtless are perfectly fine.

[McGheeny]

One of the great mysteries of life.

Women walking around in real life wearing short skirts, short shorts or bikinis is ok because people should be free to wear whatever it is they are comfortable in.

But women on TV or the movies wearing the same outfits are immediately called out for "female objectification"?

Because when the nitwits who want to cry, "Female Objectification" do it in public, REAL females laugh in their face. Especially girls and young women, who enjoy their sexuality and the idea of being female. These lovely ladies enjoy wearing, the short skirts, bikinis, and short shorts. They want to highlight and celebrate their female form, because they want to attract a partner. They aren't confused or dissuaded by the, boy haircut, androgynous, pants wearing morons, who want to make them into a male. In spite of this truth, we only seem to hear from the, ridiculous, surly, offended, woke minority, who are telling us we HAVE to do things their way, or else, HAHAHAHA!

Isn't it funny how the majority of those, "female objectification" protesters, wouldn't be considered for objectification????

[Mr. X]

There are many ways to celebrate a female's form. Some ways can be sexy with bikinis and short shorts. People can also celebrate the female's body with other types of clothing to highlight other body types and styles. Everyone is different in how they view their physical form and how they want to express it. Either way is perfectly fine.

All ice cream flavors are the same because they are all "ice cream".

[Mr. X]

You are taking an indefensible position. Oh, calling me a sexist, by your definition, is a complement to EVERY normal male.

Yes and "sexist" has no meaning here. If everything is everything to everyone then there is no measure. If there is no hard measure to sexuality then how can their be a measure for sexism.

Oh and try and replace Mamoa or Cavill or Hemsworth with Pee Wee Herman and see how far that fart in the elevator goes even though I'm sure there is one edge case female somewhere who likes Herman. So if team Edward or team Jacob was replaced by team Tom Arnold and team Pee Wee Herman the fan base wouldn't have a crap storm fit about that?

If you replace my fine coffee with Colombian crystals I'm going to go all Chris Farley.

[sugarcoater]

I'll dip my toe into the thread just once more. To address GPC's earlier statement, the issue with bringing an example of racism into the discussion is that you are essentially equating one person's behavior with that of a racist. Doing so is extending the qualities of a racist onto that person. You may not have meant to do so, but that is how some interpret the action. That said, I understand what you mean (I think): someone with whom you have a common connection wants you to interpret that common connection in the same was as they do, and if you don't you are somehow betraying that commonality. It's just in 2021, a reference to racism is an emotionally charged reference. As to your point about sexism, you would be correct if the argument is a woman needs to flash her curves and look sexy in order to assert her womanhood. I agree with you in that position, but I don't think that is McGheeny's point.

My interpretation of McGheeny's point--and I may be wrong so feel free to correct me McGheeny--is that some women highlight the aspects of their female form as a manner of showing off some of the physical assets that make them look sexy. That seems like a valid point.

Where I see GPC's point is in the complexity of what we define as feminine. When I think "feminine" in terms of the superficial appearance, I think of curves, somewhat long hair, shaved legs, shapely hips. When I think "masculine" in terms of the superficial appearance, I think of defined abs, strong shoulders, a good jawline, muscular chest and arms and legs. In both cases, women and men need the benefit of genetics and a good workout regime (and diet) to accomplish my quick definition of physical femininity and masculinity. At no point would I suggest anyone else should view femininity and masculinity through my lens, but neither should anyone else impose their expectation of femininity and masculinity on me. I think we all agree to this as based on what I read. I think GPC has suggested something similar to this when he wrote "I respect your sexuality and preferences in women."

The point that "[t]he idea that a woman must wear appealing apparel to know they are females and to feel sexy is sexist" was not part of McGheeny's point to which GPC was responding. As I read it, McGheeny wrote "women enjoy their sexuality and the idea of being female" which means women (I would perhaps write "some women") enjoy their conception of what it means to be female. The next point of the "lovely ladies enjoy wearing the short skirts, bikinis, and short shorts" is perhaps a bit too specific as I know many women who enjoy their conception of their sexuality and femininity but loathe the idea of wearing short skirts and short shorts. This is perhaps were the argument McGheeny is making could be altered to reference "some women" as otherwise it seems a generality is being made that is all-too-easily disproved. And the point that these women "want to highlight and celebrate their female form because they want to attract a partner" is definitely true for some women and certainly not true for others. Just using my experience today, I saw some women working out wearing booty shorts in which half their ass was falling out (and I wasn't complaining). At the same time, two women I know who were wearing much more reserved outfits were critical of the women wearing the booty shorts. The two women who were critical of the booty shorts women were in better shape than the ones wearing the much more revealing outfits, so it wasn't some sort of jealousy of the other women being able to flaunt their curves.

So I think McGheeny has non-sexist points so long as those points aren't extended to all women (and I don't think McGheeny means to do so, but I could be wrong). And I think GPC's interpretation of sexism from McGheeny's statements are the result of the generalities made.

And ironically, I think we are all on the same page of appreciating an attractive woman showing off her curves in a sexy outfit. If nothing else, let's just all agree to that and then continue prematurely ripping into (or suggesting patience in being critical of) this Supergirl costume.

Lastly, thank you to anyone who took the time to read all this. And my apologies for misrepresenting anyone's point in this discussion.

[MightyHypnotic]

I was enjoying this thead. Please continue.

[ivandobsky]

Is that deliberate unconvincing fake abs, or some kind of stunt garment to which the wires attach?

[Evil Spider]

Is that deliberate unconvincing fake abs, or some kind of stunt garment to which the wires attach?

The abs look very horrible compared to the long, thin and skinny arms and legs. I'd assume if she's the real Supergirl, then those abs would be real and clearly oversized compared to the rest of her body, this could also be some thing with the kryptonian females obviously. Other option would be that Supergirl uses some fake abs to flex embarrassingly, this option sounds even dumber than her skinny long legs look. I don't take any kind of stunt garment in consideration here, overall I'm not too impressed by the overall look, but I'd definitely try similar Superman costume on myself!

[Mr. X]

Given the leaked BTS clip above she looks rather bottom heavy and the fake musculature is adding to this, especially her lower pelvis. In my opinion this kind of female representation actually diminishes women and the excellence women can attain. Kind of like the current representations of Superman in animation where he doesn't have much muscularity and he's more just a guy in a baggy suit. So I don't think the fake muscles are helping her. They are making her look chubby and bloated.

[argento]

In the comics, Diana wins.

Just give us a Faora and Wonder Woman fight.

[argento]

Regarding the photos of Sasha's costume above, my opinion is that, you see reinforcements to keep her in the air. We would have to see when they release the covers.

[Mr. X]

In the comics, Diana wins.

Just give us a Faora and Wonder Woman fight.

I read that one. Zod gets a power boost from the Olympian sun God and he and Faora beat the snot out of superman and Wonder Woman. Leave them in a burned out nuclear facility.

[Femina]

Given the leaked BTS clip above she looks rather bottom heavy and the fake musculature is adding to this, especially her lower pelvis. In my opinion this kind of female representation actually diminishes women and the excellence women can attain. Kind of like the current representations of Superman in animation where he doesn't have much muscularity and he's more just a guy in a baggy suit. So I don't think the fake muscles are helping her. They are making her look chubby and bloated.

Once again, an observation based on leaked pre-production crap without the benefit of vetting, story boarding, camera filters and every other thing they do to make something designed specifically to work within the context of the film.

I don't understand why nobody gets this? It's like y'all have never looked at a Behind the Scenes image before. The Wonder Woman costume had the same dumb complaints 'oh her boots are too platformed' blah blah blah... then massive praise when the film came out.

Wait for something official! If it looks crap there, in the proper context, THEN Complain! THIS 'BTS' crap means absolutely nothing, and every observation made about them is lacking the proper context to make a valid observation about anything.

It's like declaring the Mona Lisa 'so so' because you can only view it from a 45 degree angle... or when it was half finished.

[argento]

In the comics, Diana wins.

Just give us a Faora and Wonder Woman fight.

I read that one. Zod gets a power boost from the Olympian sun God and he and Faora beat the snot out of superman and Wonder Woman. Leave them in a burned out nuclear facility.

Sorry, I didn't read the comic and I got the image from a site without checking it . But I still think Diana would beat Faora, she has superior training.

[ivandobsky]

I don't really care about the skirt. The lady isn't bad looking. I quite like the band 'Placebo'. If they can make the fake abs / stunt garment look more natural in post production and give her some high heels, then i'll be all over this. Of course they won't. But Axel Braun might.

[Evil Spider]

In the comics, Diana wins.

Just give us a Faora and Wonder Woman fight.

I read that one. Zod gets a power boost from the Olympian sun God and he and Faora beat the snot out of superman and Wonder Woman. Leave them in a burned out nuclear facility.

Sorry, I didn't read the comic and I got the image from a site without checking it . But I still think Diana would beat Faora, she has superior training.

Not sure about that, I'd definitely lose to Faora as Superman so I think she could beat Wonderwoman too!

[Mr. X]

Sorry, I didn't read the comic and I got the image from a site without checking it . But I still think Diana would beat Faora, she has superior training.

Well when they were first fighting WW was winning but then the two Kryptonians get a sun blast and go to town.

[McGheeny]

Well fake abs work Great! Just look at the movie the "300". Look what wonderful reviews those guy's abs received.

[Paolone0971]

[mhunt0]

This looks better than what we have seem..

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[DrDominator9]

That cape is waaay long! The shiny material here looks better than the fabric she's wearing the harness shots above. I wonder how it will end up looking in the fihal film.

[McGheeny]

Yah…No. Looks ludicrous. Just a loser marketing ploy to gain pre-acceptance for a ridiculous change to a classic iconic heroine. No matter how much money they dump into this loser concept, this Superboy outfit will never gain the overwhelming support of a classic iconic female Supergirl costume.

[Mr. X]

Yah…No. Looks ludicrous. Just a loser marketing ploy to gain pre-acceptance for a ridiculous change to a classic iconic heroine. No matter how much money they dump into this loser concept, this Superboy outfit will never gain the overwhelming support of a classic iconic female Supergirl costume.

One thing I was thinking was maybe the producers are looking to groom a new market instead of relying on old timers. However I'm doubtful given their prudishness around Gal Gadot and the lack up up skirt shots.

[McGheeny]

One thing I was thinking was maybe the producers are looking to groom a new marker instead of relying on old timers. However I'm doubtful given their prudishness around Gal Gadot and the lack up up skirt shots.

This is a long and overused standard marketing strategy. They pre-purchase items themselves and flood the market with the product. In this way they attempt to bolster support. In doing so, they desperately try and create acceptance for the “New and Improved”. Of course, they target specific groups, and publicize their acquiescence as “Popular”. There are those who truly will enjoy the outfit and that is great! Variety IS the spice of life. Usually though, it is money (or the loss of) that ultimately terminates this type of corporate idiocy. With this “woke” movement, these frighten morons seem happy to throw away; cash, resources, and long-time supporters.

But these changes go much deeper and have much more to say. These chuckleheads like to say they want their characters to give little girls a role model. Okay, what they are telling young females? If you want to be “Super” and “Standout”, you must: wear clothing that suppresses your femininity, cut your hair or shave your head, and above all, you cannot allow yourself to be considered female. Basically, make yourself look like a young boy. Hmmm…

You are also correct about DC’s prudish Victorian attitudes towards female superheroines. People just don’t recognize how BOLD it was for Lynda Carter to do “Wonder Woman” in the original costume in the 70s. The DC overseers and TV censors were all over the show, micromanaging every shot, every angle. DC has always been preoccupied with upskirts. Amazing how they still showed up in comics.

If you like the new look,great! If you don't like it, that is great too! The only way these morons know what they can and what they can't get away with is COMPLETELY controlled by the money we spend, and how we spend it.

[JohnFeer]

Apropos of nothing but I once wrote a Wonder Woman versus Faora fanfic, Diana won (albeit she absorbed some damage during the fight).

[dragontigerandhorse1985]

To all, Will this Supergirl carry in her being the positive attitude which resided in Benoist version of Supergirl? Or will this new Supergirl be dark as the last movie of Superman vs Batman?