What do you want in a hardcore SHIP/SHISP video?

[GeekyPornCritic]

It's not news here that I only enjoy long hardcore SHIP/SHISP (Superheroines in Sexual Peril) movies. Some of you also enjoy these types of movies. What do you want in a hardcore SHIP/SHISP? What type of sexual peril do you expect from this type of SHIP production? I have watched many hardcore films to understand what I want from a hardcore production.

Overall Duration

I have reorganized my folder of videos on my hard drive and realized my favorite movies are 35 minutes or longer. I simply won't buy any video shorter than my standard. Short films fail to meet my other needs as well. Short videos just leave more to be desired due to many missed opportunities.

A recent example of this issue with short videos is Kendra James's Kendra James: Poison Ivy's Serum of Seduction! The video is too damn short. The scene features two beautiful models; Kendra James as Batwoman and Ivy Secrets as Poison Ivy. However, Poison Ivy never pleasures Batwoman. Poison Ivy could have licked Batwoman's pussy and fucked her with a strap-on. The video could have been longer with more content and worth a purchase if these ideas were added in my opinion.

Fighting and Credibility

I think some hardcore films suffer in the area of fighting and the heroine's credibility. A fight scene doesn't need to be long. The heroine can lose the first and only fight in the film. At least, make her look credible. A heroine losing the fight in the first five seconds is really boring in most scenarios. I think a heroine needs to get a few good punches, kicks, or energy beams to deliver some damage to the villain.

One of my favorite fight scenes is from my custom, Link Falls to the enchantment of Ganandorf XXX. The Female Link battles Ganon in a good fight of swords. Link holds her ground for a while, but has not mastered the Master Sword. Ganon gains the upper-hand and dominates Link in the fight and sexually.

Another example is the second fight in Artemis Falls to the Fury of Fenris. Artemis puts up a good fight in her rematch against Fenris. However, he once again defeats her and makes her his first of many whores.

Duration of Sex

The amount of sex is very important to me. I want a balanced scene with at most 10 minutes of story and at least 25 minutes of sex. An unbalanced scene with 40 minutes of story and 5 minutes of sex feels like a rip off. This is a hardcore production and it should be filmed by industry standards for hardcore films. The fetish shouldn't change the standard for hardcore films.

Five minutes of sex is not cutting the mustard. I have so many worthless videos with this issue on my hard drive. A company such as Brazzers and Naughty America would not get away with a scene with 5 minutes of sex. Customers would be complaining and canceling memberships. A good sex scene needs to be at least 25 minutes in my opinion. This is plenty of time to do a variety of positions.

Femdom movies almost always get this right in my opinion. The scenes are long with sexual peril added in the story. Boy/Girl scenes are a gamble especially since C4S does not have a good preview system.

An example of this issue is Anastasia Piece's SuperGirl Caught with Alli Rae. This movie is by far my worst purchase in SHIP. The movie is 43 minutes long with 5 minutes of sex at the most. That's absolutely a horrible duration of sex. It's extremely unbalanced and the movie isn't worth it due to it. Your average hardcore customer would be very upset as you can tell by my current tone.

Dominant Positions

Speaking of positions, I think hardcore producers can do more positions in their sex scenes. Most sex scenes with a dominant male villain only have doggy style and missionary as positions. A few scenes will include the heroine doing cowgirl if she has totally submitted and consented to the villain.

I have listed a few positions that would work well with a villain dominating a superheroine. She has no hope to escape these positions and is drowning in complete bliss.

Suggestion Position 1: Flame

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I shared this idea with Buscwackerbob last week. This position puts the heroine in a close and intimate space wit the villain. Her back is to the wall and there is no escape. He's fucking her and can kiss her in this position as well. Her only option is to give in and enjoy it as she orgasms.

Suggestion Position 2: Standing 69

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I think this position totally fits a scene with a dominant male villain. He has easy access to a the heroine's sweet pussy, and there is nothing she can do to stop him. She also faces temptation as his budge or penis is directly in front of her face. Will she give in to temptation and return the favor?

Suggestion Position 3: Standing Revere Cowgirl/Butterfly

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Once again the heroine is in an unfavorable position to resist her urges. Can she focus on escaping while getting fucked and cumming at the same time? Nope

[Bert]

Dude, why don't you just start your own forum?

[bushwackerbob]

Dude, why don't you just start your own forum?

What is particularly wrong with this question? Why start this again dude?

[TIEnTEEZ]

Trolls gonna troll, I guess.

[PowerGirlFanBoy]

I don’t see why some fans have problems with GeekyPornCritic...smh!

Things I would want out a hardcore SHIP film:

- high cut leotard
- some type of peril of course where superheroine goes from being in control to weak.
- heroine being fucked with most of her costume ie. topless nudity

[awsman]

I have pretty specific criteria that I look for in a SHIP video.

-Length isn't nearly as important to me as it is to GPC, but I am unlikely to buy a video under 15 minutes unless it's either very cheap or looks amazing. I do prefer movies with multiple scenes; almost all of my customs have had at least two.
-I want to see the heroine humiliated and brought low as much as possible, and basically all the elements I prefer stem from that. Easy defeats (or defeat by a clearly inferior opponent who got lucky), forced lap dances, spanking, verbal degrading, crying, begging, being recorded on camera, forced to crawl, etc. If it increases the level of shame for the heroine, I'm here for it. One element I've personally never seen outside of a couple of my SHIP customs is the heroine being so terrified at her defeat and impending rape that she pisses herself (yes, I'm aware I'm a sick fuck).
-I don't care about a ton of dialogue or set-up. I know that's what does it for some people, but I don't really care if a plot is cliche or unoriginal (God knows my own scripts are) as long as it contains the elements I prefer. There are plenty of forms of media where I want creative, challenging material, but porn isn't really one of them.
-All sex should be non-consensual for the heroine. I don't necessarily mind if her body betrays her and she starts showing signs of arousal, but for my enjoyment she should never start voluntarily asking for it or otherwise encourage the villain to keep ravishing her. I only enjoy that when the villain is forcing her to say these things, going back to the humiliation aspect. As a general rule I also prefer the heroine to be unbound and only restrained by brute force, but I've certainly enjoyed plenty of scenes with handcuffs and even used them in my own customs.
-Full nudity, or at least close to it, is preferable. I know a lot of fans of the genre prefer the costume to remain on, but I'm the exact opposite for a couple reasons. Firstly, I just enjoy the female form and enjoy seeing it; even in "normal" porn, I prefer full nudity over partial. It always frustrates me when a model has a great body or awesome tits but stays covered up by her costume other than a slit over the crotch; though I get why some people prefer it that way, it just feels like a waste to me. But secondly, I enjoy the psychological aspect of the heroine being turned from a powerful savior into just another helpless victim, and the removal of her costume is a big part of that. I'm fine with her keeping accessories like gloves and boots on, as a reminder of who she used to be before her defeat, but most of the costume should be removed, or even better, destroyed.
-A death ending isn't necessarily a turn-off for me, but it's also not a selling point. Generally I prefer the heroine to have to live with the shame of her defeat, usually in her new live as a sex slave.

As an example of my tastes, the script below is from my last custom with PKF Studios with Shavelle Love as Wonder Woman; the video isn't out for sale yet and will have a death ending as all of their videos do, but my own copy does not. It has basically all the elements I look for, minus a couple, and ended up being maybe my favorite custom yet, though I have one filming in January with Ashley Lane as Black Canary that I'm fairly sure will surpass it. (I rarely post here and don't know the rules too well, so if custom scripts should only be posted in a certain area, feel free to move the part of my post, mods.)


SCENE ONE

-IADC agent Diana Prince arrives home early from a mission to find it being robbed by a burglar who expected her to be out of town. She orders the man to freeze, but is surprised by his accomplice emerging from the room behind her. He grabs her from behind and begins groping her.
-Diana elbows the second attacker in the ribs and breaks free to face off against the intruders. “Can’t reveal my true identity to these thugs! I can handle them without my powers,” she thinks to herself.
-Diana fights valiantly, but is soon on the losing end of the two-on-one fight. One man restrains her as his partner rips her blouse open, allowing him to begin playing with her big tits.
-Diana struggles and warns the men they’ll regret laying a hand on her, but laughing, they continue to strip off Diana’s clothes. “No! Have to get away so I can transform!” she thinks as she is stripped nude except for her stockings.
-The thugs force Diana to her knees to take turns hatefully sucking her attackers’ cocks. She burns with shame and humiliation as they slap her face and tits while violating her mouth.
-She is then dragged to her bedroom and thrown onto her bed as she pleads no, where the men take turns brutally raping her while the other holds her down.
-Diana screams and fights like a wildcat, but without her wonder powers she is helpless to break free. She breaks down crying and begs for mercy, but her pleas only result in harsher treatment.
-The burglars spitroast her, with one plowing her pussy while holding her arms back prison guard style. The other cums down her throat and pulls out; Diana chokes and coughs semen up all over her bed as she continues to be forcefully fucked from behind until he comes inside her.
-Diana curls into a sobbing ball and begs the men to take what they want and go, but they had so much fun that they decide to stick around and make themselves at home with Diana as their personal sex slave. “Hera, help me!” Diana thinks as she’s forced to crawl back out of the bedroom as the thugs take turns spanking her ass. Fade out.



SCENE TWO

-Open on still nude Diana, who’s been handcuffed behind her back with her own cuffs, lying on the living room floor trying to inch herself towards the door. The thugs enter the room and drag her back to the center of the room.
-Diana begs for the men to let her go. “You’ve both had your way with me for days and come inside me countless times! It’ll be a miracle if I’m not pregnant!” One thug tells her to shut up while starting to unzip his pants.
-Diana pleads for him to at least takes off the handcuffs, her arms are starting to go numb and she’s no physical threat to them. He shrugs and pulls her to her feet, removing the cuffs and preparing to force her over the kitchen table.
-Diana suddenly breaks away and spins around to transform into Wonder Woman. Both burglars are stunned that the woman they’ve been tormenting for days is none other than the world’s most famous superheroine. She begins furiously attacking them, tossing them around the room with ease.
-Thug 2 (Aaron) begs for mercy as she pummels him repeatedly. “Mercy?! Like you showed me?!” screams Wonder Woman. She lifts the man up by the throat and rears back for another big punch, but his partner tackles her from behind and both men begin pummeling her. Weak from days of abuse, Wonder Woman’s strength gives out.
-Realizing her vulnerability, Aaron tells his partner to start recording with his phone as he owns Wonder Woman. He smacks her around easily as the heroine is too weakened to fight back, then pulls down her top and forces her to her knees. He begins to violently facefuck her, causing her exposed tits to bounce around as she weakly slaps at him.
-He then forcibly strips off her costume while she futilely tries to fight him off. Once she is down to just her boots and tiara, he bends her over his knee and spanks the helpless heroine as she wails in shame.
-He shoves Wonder Woman to the floor and begins penetrating her missionary style as Wonder Woman begins to sob hysterically. “You can’t do this to Wonder Woman!” she wails. She desperately claws and slaps at him, but her attacker just laughs as he easily holds her down, choking and slapping her while his partner records and cheers him on.
-The thug forces Diana to call him master and say she’s his cum dumpster. This only excites her attacker more as he begins brutally fucking her doggy style.
-He twists both her arms behind her back and holds them with one arm while yanking back on her hair with the other.
-His partner squats in front of Wonder Woman's face and begins slapping her as she's fucked, ordering her to cry like the helpless bitch she is. She complies, repeatedly wailing "WAHHHHH!" as he continues to record her total humiliation.
-Aaron finally grunts and finishes inside her, prompting a wail of misery from Wonder Woman. The thug reaches into her oozing snatch and smears his cum all over her face as she bawls.
-Her captors post the video of her total defeat on the Internet for the whole world to see, forever ruining her reputation. The world’s mightiest heroine’s career is over at the hands of two common thieves.
-Scene ends with the thugs looping WW's lasso around her neck like a leash and walking her off on all fours to her new life of servitude.

[exxxidor456]

I like a bit of set-up to establish the characters and the situation, then a bit more time spent on capturing, subduing and possibly doing a bit of mind control or hypnosis on the heroine, then plenty of sex! My own personal preference is doggy style, but variety is also good.

I agree with GPC that the vids that only have a tiny bit of sex tacked on at the end are a let-down for me. Obviously it's a matter of taste, and there are those who like that sort of thing, but to me, porn should be porn! I think the Japanese get the balance about right, it's just a shame they tend to follow almost exactly the same plot in each video. But the costumes are nice, the balance of set-up, peril, capture and sex is about right.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I like a bit of set-up to establish the characters and the situation, then a bit more time spent on capturing, subduing and possibly doing a bit of mind control or hypnosis on the heroine, then plenty of sex! My own personal preference is doggy style, but variety is also good.

I agree with GPC that the vids that only have a tiny bit of sex tacked on at the end are a let-down for me. Obviously it's a matter of taste, and there are those who like that sort of thing, but to me, porn should be porn! I think the Japanese get the balance about right, it's just a shame they tend to follow almost exactly the same plot in each video. But the costumes are nice, the balance of set-up, peril, capture and sex is about right.

You're 100% right and on the money. Superheroines are just another sub-genre of roleplay. We have all seen schoolgirls, teachers, nurses, etc. Scenes with those fetishes tend to follow industry standards in terms of duration for sex. Hardcore SHIP is porn and should be treated as such. It's the selling point of the video.

A typical guy who only buys hardcore movies of his favorite pornstar would be upset if he purchased a clip with a 35 minute story and 5 minutes of sex. Hardcore customers are use to scenes with a lot of sex. That's how hardcore porn has always been produced.

One thing really bothers me when it comes to quality and duration. I feel companies should be consistent. Many studios will have a great 40 minutes to an hour video. It has a good story, hot model, sexy costume, and a amazing sex. Then, the studio's next video is a lame 20 minutes film with less content and quality. I expect studios to keep the same level of quality for every video. My standards are raised when a company raises the bar in the industry.

An example of inconsistent quality is Primal Fetish's Power Girl - Pink Kryptonite Shameful Lust XXX. It is the squeal of the Supergirl video with the same theme. The Supergirl video is amazing and very erotic. However, the Power Girl video is a major step backwards. It's shorter, has less content, less foreplay, less cock sucking, cowgirl only lasts for less than a minute, etc. It was a letdown considering the higher quality video from the original.

[arkane]

I prefer SHIP videos without hardcore.
If it absolutely must be there, it shouldn't occupy more than 10% or so of the video.
Sexy costumes are a must and nudity absolutely ok. Poses and situations that reveal the body quite enjoyable (for example, the heroine is crawling inside a long conduit to give a nasty surprise to villains, and we follow her shapely behind while she's at it).

I don't like overlong fight scenes either, a smart trap is better. It should be clear that the heroine is afraid of nothing (mostly) and very strong, but there's always a device, a trap, or a super-superpowered villain (male or female) able to defeat her in the end.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I prefer SHIP videos without hardcore.
If it absolutely must be there, it shouldn't occupy more than 10% or so of the video.
Sexy costumes are a must and nudity absolutely ok. Poses and situations that reveal the body quite enjoyable (for example, the heroine is crawling inside a long conduit to give a nasty surprise to villains, and we follow her shapely behind while she's at it).

I don't like overlong fight scenes either, a smart trap is better. It should be clear that the heroine is afraid of nothing (mostly) and very strong, but there's always a device, a trap, or a super-superpowered villain (male or female) able to defeat her in the end.

This topic's focus is on what people want in hardcore scenes. Please respect the topic and don't change it to "softcore".

Hardcore content must occupy more than 10% of the video. Hardcore customers demand there to be a good amount of sex in videos. It's no different than the standards for hardcore movies from Brazzers, Naughty America, Bangbros, New Sensations, etc. The sub-genre of hardcore superheroine porn should not cause an unusual decline in hardcore content. No other fetish in hardcore porn decreases the amount of hardcore content due to the type of role play.

10% is completely and utterly unacceptable. 10% of 40 minutes is 4 minutes. Do you want the producer to film a one minute blowjob, one minute doggy style, one minute missionary, and one minute cowgirl? Trust me that people are going to be in up arms with complaints.

[SnidelyW]

People in this fandom tend to be pretty unique and particular in their desires, but for what it's worth, here's what I like:

-Hardcore and softcore are more or less interchangeable for me. It's more about the emotions and the peril than the equipment. But for videos with hardcore peril, I love hearing the heroine cry out in pain the moment she's penetrated. However, I know people pay extra for hardcore, but I don't need to see all those anatomy-class close-ups of vaginas. They're a miracle of evolution, but they're not much to look at. I'd rather look at the rest of the actress.

-The actresses rarely look great in terms of fighting skill. I'm OK with it. I do like a good beating scene. TBFE does this really well. They sell the beatdown nicely and their signature crawling scene never disappoints (accidentally wrote "never fails to disappoint" before which is the opposite of what I was trying to say). Again, it's about the emotions. I want to see her in pain and despair.

-I don't want to see a ton of blood, but a little is OK. I can of course enjoy videos without any, but "Overconfidence" has a little bit coming out of the heroine's nose and that's kind of nice.

-Duration of sex should be reasonable, and should ideally feature a few different positions. The latter third of the video is fine. But the main thing is it should look unwilling. The trap I tend to fall into is when the elements list features "forced fucking" and the heroine spends the whole time enjoying it. It's just not my jam. So as you can imagine, I like female-submissive positions (Missionary, doggystyle, arms chained over head, against a wall).

-OK with costume staying on or coming off. When you buy more than one video, variety is nice. I'm even OK with no nudity (sometimes) in a sexual peril scene, but that may be because I like naked women AND women in spandex.

-I love the sounds involved. Gasping, groaning, sobbing, panting, etc.

-Having the heroine climax unwillingly at the end is fine, despite what I said about wanting her not to enjoy it. As long as it has the unwilling part, it's OK if it transitions later.

-Inner monologue is tricky with me. Sometimes it's done badly and I can't help but giggle when I should not be giggling. But if it feeds into the despair and pain narrative, then great. Still it should be short, rather than the whole time.

-OK with death or non-death endings. I'm also good with the heroine winning in the end, so long as she suffers first.

-Girl/girl with a strap-on is good too, particularly since if the attacker is holding it, I get to see more of the victim.