Is Superheroine Porn / SHIP Dying or Poorly Marketed?

[GeekyPornCritic]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away. Many producers have stated on this site and others that sells are down. There are less people active in the community. This is not a good sign for future SHIP content. There are very few consistent hardcore producers Many producers such as Tropic City Heroines have decreased their releases. Superheroine Destruction did not last a year in the business. Some softcore companies are only taking customs to fund videos.

How did you discover SHIP?

I was buying porn memberships to sites such as Brazzers and Naughty America from 2008 to 2015. I stopped buying porn membership after I discovered SHIP. SHIP became my one and only fetish. I discovered the fetish for random chance. I stumbled upon Tropic City Hero's The Violation of Supergirl, and I was hooked!

Please share how you discovered this fetish. It's mandatory for every poster!

Finding the SHIP fetish is not easy at all. Let me break this down!

1. Out of Sight, Out of Mind!

Major porn companies and affiliate sites advertise membership sites such as Bangbros and adult dating sites. They do not advertise companies with clip stores and any clip movies. This reason is why I never knew SHIP existed for many years. It was not being advertised on big networks and affiliate sites. I see adds for MILF sites on Naughty America, Bangbros on Brazzers, Reality Kings on Brazzers, etc. There are ads for every fetish except SHIP.

Regular porn customers are not being exposed to the fetish. They don't know it exists. Some people have randomly been finding on my Twitter page,a and that's really bad.

2.I can't find any god damn producer on Google.

Please search supehreroine porn or SHIP fetish. Please tell me what are the links on the first page? If you say a producer's name, then I know you're full of shit. Not a single producer in the genre is listed. I have noticed many producers have not properly set up a snippet or introduction for Google SEO (search engine optimization). Google does not know any producers' sites to list when you search for superheroine porn or SHIP fetish.

This is a serious problem for any business. You must properly set up your site, blog, or store. I don't know if producers on Clips4Sale or any clips store have any control for snippet or page description for Google to list them when people search for superheroine porn. I highly recommend every producer to make at least a blog to advertise current and upcoming movies. This way Google can find you and properly rank you.

TheBattleForEarth and Superheroinelimited are two of the few sites by companies. I can't find them when searching for superheroine porn. This is a sign of bad SEO. Don't feel bad as this is an easy fix to tell Google what you're offering. Every page on a website needs to be properly set up in SEO.

The only way I can currently find all producers is by typing their companies's names. That's not good. Customers need to find you just be searching for the product that you are selling.

3. Superheroine Porn is Trending!

Go to Google Trends and research terms/keywords related to superheroine porn or your fetish in this genre. Google Trends display what people are searching for. It's a commonly used tool for bloggers and businesses.

People are searching for Wonder Woman Porn, Supergirl porn, Superheorine porn, etc. Wonder Woman hit the highest peak at 100 in January, but she has cooled off to 56 (out of 100). Trends tend to go up and down, and that is very natural. Trends go up when something is in the news. I am sure Supergirl will peak when the new season begins next month.

People are searching for this genre, but cannot find particular producers due to poor SEO.

Feedback from Twitter Followers

A few Twitter followers have said they only get updates about new movies from my tweets. They would not know about these scenes if I stopped tweeting updates for featured films from my favorite producers.

[Damselbinder]

For reference, could you please post screencaps of some of these tweets you mention?

[MightyHypnotic]

superheroine fetish sites do not get a fair shake from Google anymore. This happened about 4 - 5 years ago so the casual surfer who is looking for superheroines will never find us. It was shadowbanning before shadowbanning was a thing....

[GeekyPornCritic]

For reference, could you please post screencaps of some of these tweets you mention?

I will not share any private conversations from people on Twitter and this site.

Thanks

superheroine fetish sites do not get a fair shake from Google anymore. This happened about 4 - 5 years ago so the casual surfer who is looking for superheroines will never find us. It was shadowbanning before shadowbanning was a thing....

Do you mean blacklisted? Google has not blacklisted superheroine fetish sites. The issue is companies do not rank due to poor SEO. I just checked this site, and it is not blacklisted. A company must always update its information and snippets to stay ranked on Google. You're not going to stay ranked without keeping your site up to date and optimized for search engines.

Please search "superheroine fetish" in Google. You will notice Mr. X's Superheroine Central is ranked number one, and it is followed by many tube sites (Yikes!). Mr. X still needs to update his SEO, he has gotten away with being ranked number one due to having the key phase "superheroine fetish" on his site's first page.

Next, search "superheroine porn" in Google. Oh No! The first page only contains tube sites. This means Google recognizes superheroine porn and the fetish as it is listing sites.

What is the problem? The problem is poor SEO and all producers in this industry is guilty of it.

Let's take a look at SuperheroineLimited. He has two major problems.

The first issue is circled in green. His snippet/introduction does not state what he is providing. What is Uninvited? What is Uninvited 2? Yes, superheroine is in the name of SHL, but that does not automatically mean it's related to the fetish. Google does not know to rank him when I search for "superheroine fetish" or "superheroine porn". He does not state his movies are hardcore or softcore. Google does not know his movies are pornography. Thus, he will not rank. It is not an issue of being blacklisted.

The second issue is SHL does not have a SSL. Google thinks sites without SSL are not secure. Thus, Google is much less likely to rank a site without SSL.

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[MightyHypnotic]

If I meant blacklisted I would've said blacklisted. It's called shadowbanning. When a site doesn't want to promote a certain type of content it filters that content from the search results. Google made it clear they intended to do this years ago and they did it.

So, yes, if you search specifically for superheroine this or superheroine that, sure you'll find it. But you WONT find any superheroine sites in more generic searches like, superheroine or superheroines

[Dazzle1]

I did a few general searches

Other than clips for sales, the searches came up with the free sites: Spankbang Pornhub etc

[GeekyPornCritic]

If I meant blacklisted I would've said blacklisted. It's called shadowbanning. When a site doesn't want to promote a certain type of content it filters that content from the search results. Google made it clear they intended to do this years ago and they did it.

So, yes, if you search specifically for superheroine this or superheroine that, sure you'll find it. But you WONT find any superheroine sites in more generic searches like, superheroine or superheroines

I only asked if you meant Blacklisted as I wanted to be sure.

Where are you getting this information from? Google has not shadow ban pornography from its searches. Google has only ban porn sites from Google Adense and Google Ads.

You're missing the bigger picture. This is about SHIP fetish. This topic is not about searching "superheroine". That term is too generic for Google to assume it is for SHIP fetish or even pornography. That's like saying Google won't show any porn sites if you search for "wrestling". That term is also too generic to determine the user is looking for adult entertainment.

[MightyHypnotic]

Google made announcements about 5 years ago as part of their safe searching policy.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Google made announcements about 5 years ago as part of their safe searching policy.

Google's safe searching policy originally allowed users to control the filter by turning it on or off. That changed when Google stopped giving users the option to turn it off in 2012, and users needed to be very specific when looking for adult videos. However, users once again have the option of turning the safe filter off.

This shouldn't be a problem as all porn searchers are very specific. Nobody expects to find porn by typing "Wonder Woman", "Schoolgirl", or "Boss". People are very specific when searching for porn. For example, people will search for "Supergirl Porn' with the expectation to find porn as they should.

[bushwackerbob]

I discovered my fetish for SHP pre-Internet era through the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series Bushwackers episode where WW is arrested by crooked cops and debelted. Here is my take on the state of SHP films from an ordinary joe like me. I imagine that it takes a lot of time, preparation and energy, not to mention money in order to put out a quality SHP film. This might be an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I believe that there is too much product out there, that there are certain companies that put out too much product, that do not space out there films enough to let them breathe and sell, and that the effect of this is it makes it more difficult for all companies in the industry to make a profit and to sustain themselves economically. The effects of this glut of content is that the industry contracts, some companies either reduce their content or disappear entirely. I am by no means an expert on the industry, just my take is all. As regards to the overall popularity of the SHP in general, I quite enjoy it and I do not need SHP to be more popular, I do not need the validation of the population at large in order to justify or make me feel better about my love of SHP. If someone truly has an interest in SHP they will find what they need on the Web, regardless of Google or Bing search results. If a dummy like me can find this stuff then anyone can.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I discovered my fetish for SHP pre-Internet era through the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman series Bushwackers episode where WW is arrested by crooked cops and debelted. Here is my take on the state of SHP films from an ordinary joe like me. I imagine that it takes a lot of time, preparation and energy, not to mention money in order to put out a quality SHP film. This might be an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I believe that there is too much product out there, that there are certain companies that put out too much product, that do not space out there films enough to let them breathe and sell, and that the effect of this is it makes it more difficult for all companies in the industry to make a profit and to sustain themselves economically. The effects of this glut of content is that the industry contracts, some companies either reduce their content or disappear entirely. I am by no means an expert on the industry, just my take is all. As regards to the overall popularity of the SHP in general, I quite enjoy it and I do not need SHP to be more popular, I do not need the validation of the population at large in order to justify or make me feel better about my love of SHP. If someone truly has an interest in SHP they will find what they need on the Web, regardless of Google or Bing search results. If a dummy like me can find this stuff then anyone can.

I somewhat agree with your opinion about there is too much product out there. However, I think there is too much product for specific characters like Wonder Woman and Supergirl (this includes their clone characters like Soloria). There are a lot of popular characters who are not used or rarely used in the fetish. Emma Frost, Black Cat, Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, and Star Girl deserve to be in more SHIP movies.

I think customs play a major role in why there are so many movies with Wonder characters and Supergirl.

[flash]

the internet won't be the "wild west" anymore in the near future. With regulation comes monitoring of users and the end of privacy - George Orwell's "1984." Look at the bright side. You will have Star Trek's holodeck to play in for awhile.

[bushwackerbob]

I just feel as thought there is too much product period. I think there are a number of studios out there doing great work but I just think that the studios that mass produce product and do not space out their releases enough undercut the great work they are doing by just laying out one film on top of another barely giving a new release a too brief moment in the sun. I do not believe that the SHP film business is economically a zero sum gain but I do believe mass produced product does have an adverse affect on the group of SHP producers out there struggling to survive and make quality films. Yes I do know that these nice and talented mass producers of SHP would counter my point by saying that mass production is their business model and they would not survive without it. So here we are. This is just my opinion so take it for what it is worth.

[Femina]

Of course its not DYING. As long as comic book heroines exist so to will the concept of SHiP. It may well be getting harder to find or else smaller by comparison to the grander world of superheroic pop culture though. The origins of SHIP come from a much smaller world (Actual population world a little but but mostly I mean in the vein of pop culture awareness.) With the rise of Marvel as the end all and be all of EVERYTHING right now, Superheroes have never been more popular...................... SuperHEROES not superHEROINES, since to date there's been exactly two Hollywood films made in this genre push that star female heroes as the focal character out of DOZENS and a not to insignificant corner of this very fetish did its best to lambast and boycott one of those films quite shortsightedly (in my opinion... thankfully they mostly failed).

General sexiness will never fail to lodge itself in the minds of human beings regardless of whats considered taboo and what isn't. Put enough superheroines in front of impressionable minds and some of them will decide that what sets them off is a superheroine in peril... put NO superheroines in front of them and they wont even know that Superheroine's exist, much less that superheroines in peril set them off. The SHIP fetish is going to require SUPERHEROINE material in the limelight if its going to grow, not Iron Man, not Captain America, not Spider-man in the Disneysphere... those things have zero impact on our community (at least until Black Cat finally turns up in a Spidey film) so maybe think about that the next time you decide you're upset they made Captain Marvel instead of another Wolverine film... (if indeed you are one of those people) you might might not personally approve of the heroine they put out, or the actress, or director or whatever... but every time we push for fewer superheroines its going to impact the general health of the SHiP community... it just will. This community was born when Batgirl and Wonderwoman appeared during a time when both were front and center in what amounted to a large percentage of ALL superheroic content available to the average consumer AT ALL. Today we've got Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, and they exist as a percentile... well I don't have the exact math here but lets just say SIGNIFICANTLY less notable in the grand scheme.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Of course its not DYING. As long as comic book heroines exist so to will the concept of SHiP. It may well be getting harder to find or else smaller by comparison to the grander world of superheroic pop culture though. The origins of SHIP come from a much smaller world (Actual population world a little but but mostly I mean in the vein of pop culture awareness.) With the rise of Marvel as the end all and be all of EVERYTHING right now, Superheroes have never been more popular...................... SuperHEROES not superHEROINES, since to date there's been exactly two Hollywood films made in this genre push that star female heroes as the focal character out of DOZENS and a not to insignificant corner of this very fetish did its best to lambast and boycott one of those films quite shortsightedly (in my opinion... thankfully they mostly failed).

General sexiness will never fail to lodge itself in the minds of human beings regardless of whats considered taboo and what isn't. Put enough superheroines in front of impressionable minds and some of them will decide that what sets them off is a superheroine in peril... put NO superheroines in front of them and they wont even know that Superheroine's exist, much less that superheroines in peril set them off. The SHIP fetish is going to require SUPERHEROINE material in the limelight if its going to grow, not Iron Man, not Captain America, not Spider-man in the Disneysphere... those things have zero impact on our community (at least until Black Cat finally turns up in a Spidey film) so maybe think about that the next time you decide you're upset they made Captain Marvel instead of another Wolverine film... (if indeed you are one of those people) you might might not personally approve of the heroine they put out, or the actress, or director or whatever... but every time we push for fewer superheroines its going to impact the general health of the SHiP community... it just will. This community was born when Batgirl and Wonderwoman appeared during a time when both were front and center in what amounted to a large percentage of ALL superheroic content available to the average consumer AT ALL. Today we've got Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, and they exist as a percentile... well I don't have the exact math here but lets just say SIGNIFICANTLY less notable in the grand scheme.

You raise very good points. The volume of Wonder Woman movies in SHIP has only increased since her hit film. Every softcore and hardcore company has filmed many Wonder Woman movies in the last two years.

However, the same cannot be said about Captain Marvel. How many hardcore Captain Marvel (I'm including Miss Marvel as she is Danvers) exist? Just two as of now by Primal Fetish. One film by Axel Braun that is coming this month if you want to count his work. There is an unreleased Captain Marvel video by JustDave whose site is in production. How many softcore Captain Marvel movie exist? None to my knowledge.

Black Widow is getting a film on May 1, 2020. It will put some more light on the genre and maybe people will develop SHIP fetishes or at least a fetish for superheroines.

[Femina]

You raise very good points. The volume of Wonder Woman movies in SHIP has only increased since her hit film. Every softcore and hardcore company has filmed many Wonder Woman movies in the last two years.

Precicely

However, the same cannot be said about Captain Marvel. How many hardcore Captain Marvel (I'm including Miss Marvel as she is Danvers) exist? Just two as of now by Primal Fetish. One film by Axel Braun that is coming this month if you want to count his work. There is an unreleased Captain Marvel video by JustDave whose site is in production. How many softcore Captain Marvel movie exist? None to my knowledge.

That's because, as mentioned above, a good portion of the SHiP community decided Brie Larson was a race traitor for saying that racism sucks and they boycotted the film like a bunch of three year olds who got told that their sibbling's lollipop wasn't theirs and to eat their own lollipops and didn't like that. It's the portion of my point above that best illustrates how if we actively push back against the very thing we need for our community to grow, shockingly, IT WONT GROW!

[GeekyPornCritic]

You raise very good points. The volume of Wonder Woman movies in SHIP has only increased since her hit film. Every softcore and hardcore company has filmed many Wonder Woman movies in the last two years.

Precicely

However, the same cannot be said about Captain Marvel. How many hardcore Captain Marvel (I'm including Miss Marvel as she is Danvers) exist? Just two as of now by Primal Fetish. One film by Axel Braun that is coming this month if you want to count his work. There is an unreleased Captain Marvel video by JustDave whose site is in production. How many softcore Captain Marvel movie exist? None to my knowledge.

That's because, as mentioned above, a good portion of the SHiP community decided Brie Larson was a race traitor for saying that racism sucks and they boycotted the film like a bunch of three year olds who got told that their sibbling's lollipop wasn't theirs and to eat their own lollipops and didn't like that. It's the portion of my point above that best illustrates how if we actively push back against the very thing we need for our community to grow, shockingly, IT WONT GROW!

I think Captain Marvel has a lot of potential in SHIP if done correctly to please everyone. Many of us want to see the heroine lose, and no other superheroine is wanted to lose more than Captain Marvel. These critics think the actress and character have gone too far. I think they would enjoy seeing Captain Marvel fail and taken by a villain. The villain "puts her in her place". "Captain Marvel thinks she's superior to men. I'll show her!"

[Bronson881]

I have no problem with Superhero porn and don't think it will die off. My introduction to it was Steve Steele's Sexed Up Superheroines which were very good. Now there are other stories which was excellent like Primal Fetish. I think this will go on for a long time.

[MightyHypnotic]

Google made announcements about 5 years ago as part of their safe searching policy.

Google's safe searching policy originally allowed users to control the filter by turning it on or off. That changed when Google stopped giving users the option to turn it off in 2012, and users needed to be very specific when looking for adult videos. However, users once again have the option of turning the safe filter off.

This shouldn't be a problem as all porn searchers are very specific. Nobody expects to find porn by typing "Wonder Woman", "Schoolgirl", or "Boss". People are very specific when searching for porn. For example, people will search for "Supergirl Porn' with the expectation to find porn as they should.

Im glad Google search worked for you.

[Darak]

I wonder if the genre is really declining, perhaps the main problem a producer faces nowadays is the genre becoming mainstream with the rising popularity of superheroes and the success of the superhero film (no need to go to a producer when any of the gigantic piracy video sites have enough content). Sales may be now, in fact, because the genre is more popular instead of the opposite. The same thing could explain why there is less forum traffic, etc.

On the other hand, despite superheroes being huge right now, I'm sure there is less people developing the interest compared to the golden era of Batgirl and WW. The current political climate is what it is: a mainstream superheroine will usually wear some kind of armour which will make her plain clothes look sexy by comparison, and she will very rarely or never face any kind of challenge or difficulty on screen. Compare that to Batgirl's deathtraps or Wonder Woman's bouncing swimsuit, not to mention the state of the comics industry (if you can even call it that, it's mostly about license holding).

[Dazzle1]

I wonder if the genre is really declining, perhaps the main problem a producer faces nowadays is the genre becoming mainstream with the rising popularity of superheroes and the success of the superhero film (no need to go to a producer when any of the gigantic piracy video sites have enough content). Sales may be now, in fact, because the genre is more popular instead of the opposite. The same thing could explain why there is less forum traffic, etc.

On the other hand, despite superheroes being huge right now, I'm sure there is less people developing the interest compared to the golden era of Batgirl and WW. The current political climate is what it is: a mainstream superheroine will usually wear some kind of armour which will make her plain clothes look sexy by comparison, and she will very rarely or never face any kind of challenge or difficulty on screen. Compare that to Batgirl's deathtraps or Wonder Woman's bouncing swimsuit, not to mention the state of the comics industry (if you can even call it that, it's mostly about license holding).

That is a good point about the political climate. When is the late time in the animted movies or shows did WW ever get tied up by her Magic Lasso. And I believe it is a good bet that Gal Gadot won't be in the live action sequal.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I wonder if the genre is really declining, perhaps the main problem a producer faces nowadays is the genre becoming mainstream with the rising popularity of superheroes and the success of the superhero film (no need to go to a producer when any of the gigantic piracy video sites have enough content). Sales may be now, in fact, because the genre is more popular instead of the opposite. The same thing could explain why there is less forum traffic, etc.

On the other hand, despite superheroes being huge right now, I'm sure there is less people developing the interest compared to the golden era of Batgirl and WW. The current political climate is what it is: a mainstream superheroine will usually wear some kind of armour which will make her plain clothes look sexy by comparison, and she will very rarely or never face any kind of challenge or difficulty on screen. Compare that to Batgirl's deathtraps or Wonder Woman's bouncing swimsuit, not to mention the state of the comics industry (if you can even call it that, it's mostly about license holding).

Is this really a problem? Do people need to see heorines in traps to develop a SHIP fetish? I don't think so. Speaking for myself, I fell in love with this genre because I enjoy the idea of a superheroine being defeated, experiencing sexual perils, or being seduced by her enemy. I love watching women wear the costumes and play as the characters. My fetish doesn't need bondage or Wonder Woman tied in her own lasso. I enjoy that scenario, but it is not required in every movie with Wonder Woman for me.

Is Supergirl in a cage not hard enough for people?


Supergirl in chains

[Imagineer]

I suspect the low search-engine profile of content in these porn/fetish genres is deliberate, a behavior learned from prior aggressive IP enforcement by certain character trademark owners, and perhaps also from morality meddling in payment processing.

I worry that the scales are tipping so far in favor of IP owners and away from fair use that Warner and Disney may one day decide to purge the web of anything obviously derivative, that no one will have financial incentive to force the issue back toward reason in the courts, and that the resulting original-characters-and-concepts-only market will be smaller, more timid, and harder to connect with.

[Dazzle1]

I wonder if the genre is really declining, perhaps the main problem a producer faces nowadays is the genre becoming mainstream with the rising popularity of superheroes and the success of the superhero film (no need to go to a producer when any of the gigantic piracy video sites have enough content). Sales may be now, in fact, because the genre is more popular instead of the opposite. The same thing could explain why there is less forum traffic, etc.

On the other hand, despite superheroes being huge right now, I'm sure there is less people developing the interest compared to the golden era of Batgirl and WW. The current political climate is what it is: a mainstream superheroine will usually wear some kind of armour which will make her plain clothes look sexy by comparison, and she will very rarely or never face any kind of challenge or difficulty on screen. Compare that to Batgirl's deathtraps or Wonder Woman's bouncing swimsuit, not to mention the state of the comics industry (if you can even call it that, it's mostly about license holding).

Is this really a problem? Do people need to see heorines in traps to develop a SHIP fetish? I don't think so. Speaking for myself, I fell in love with this genre because I enjoy the idea of a superheroine being defeated, experiencing sexual perils, or being seduced by her enemy. I love watching women wear the costumes and play as the characters. My fetish doesn't need bondage or Wonder Woman tied in her own lasso. I enjoy that scenario, but it is not required in every movie with Wonder Woman for me.

Is Supergirl in a cage not hard enough for people?


Supergirl in chains

I was more responding to the earlier comment on PC culture. If you look at the two JLA Young Justice or the better JLA movies very little peril bondage.

Compare that to the earlier animation of 30 years ago not to mention Adam West Batman and first year of Carter Wonder Woman.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I was more responding to the earlier comment on PC culture. If you look at the two JLA Young Justice or the better JLA movies very little peril bondage.

Compare that to the earlier animation of 30 years ago not to mention Adam West Batman and first year of Carter Wonder Woman.

The issue isn't PC culture. Remember not all movies and television series are made for adults. Also, the creators of Wonder Woman removed her weakness to bondage. It was a very inconvenient weakness and way too difficult to imagine a villain pulling off in a movie. Could you see a thug in the current Wonder Woman movies having the opportunity to tie her up? That's an issue of poor writing and they wanted to remove that.

Bondage doesn't work for villains in most situations. Remember the modern Wonder Woman does not need her belt for her powers. Her powers are a natural gift. She would break free from any bondage. A villain would be wasting his or her time putting a superheroine with super strength in bondage.

[bushwackerbob]

I think Femina said it best when she said that "as long as their are comic book superheroines there will be SHIP". I have heard comments here and there about SHP being a dying genre and the one thing missing from these posts are actual numbers and metrics. From the dawn of this genre we have had new companies pop up, some have staying power and hang around for a while and some disappear. The fact that some companies may decide to fold up shop or reduce their output does not necessarily indicate a downturn for the industry. In financial market terms I think they would call this a course correction, that if you have some companies that make too much product eventually the market will sort itself out and then we would have an economics version of the Darwinian survival of the fittest where the strongest and financially successful companies are the ones who survive. In other words if your favorite company folds or decides to reduce output, maybe it is not SHP that is declining but perhaps their business model is not sustainable over the long term. Market forces ultimately decide who survives in this industry.

[Darak]

Is this really a problem? Do people need to see heorines in traps to develop a SHIP fetish? I don't think so. Speaking for myself, I fell in love with this genre because I enjoy the idea of a superheroine being defeated, experiencing sexual perils, or being seduced by her enemy. I love watching women wear the costumes and play as the characters. My fetish doesn't need bondage or Wonder Woman tied in her own lasso. I enjoy that scenario, but it is not required in every movie with Wonder Woman for me.

Is Supergirl in a cage not hard enough for people?


Supergirl in chains

Well, obviously, you need to see a superheroine in peril in order to develop a peril fetish (?). Peril is a broad term, though, and everyone has their own favorite scenarios. You may greatly enjoy some aspects of the genre while others do absolutely nothing for you or may even be a turn off, but the opposite may be true for the next guy.

You seem to imply that your own fetishes and preferences are the good ones, and any element which doesn't fall under your particular wants (such as bondage) is not really needed. Sorry, but that's a very narrow-minded point of view. The mantle of political correctness is always growing and, left alone, will eventually encompass the things you like too.

Those Supergirl clips where you need to hunt the frames in search for half a second of some peril, or Supergirl is just standing there with a boring look on her face wearing the most non-sexy Supergirl costume ever imagined, can't really be compared to any similar scenes from the old Batman, WW, or even the 80's Supergirl movie, IMHO. Of course, that's from my particular point of view. If that floats your boat, more power to you, but remember, there are as many fetish variants as there are people, and the arbitrary morality filters which other people are complaining about are very real and may end up affecting you too at some point.

[GeekyPornCritic]

You seem to imply that your own fetishes and preferences are the good ones, and any element which doesn't fall under your particular wants (such as bondage) is not really needed. Sorry, but that's a very narrow-minded point of view. The mantle of political correctness is always growing and, left alone, will eventually encompass the things you like too..

Nobody is narrow-minded for thinking their fetishes and preferences are the good ones. Of course a person is going to think what they like is good and better than the other options. It's disrespectful criticize someone for their sexuality. Sexuality is not black and white. What I think is a good one will be considered a bad one by others. It is not a matter of being narrow-minded. It is a matter of a person's sexuality, and what turns them on.

I also specificity stated "FOR ME". I never said "NOT NEEDED FOR EVERYONE". I also never said I disliked bondage.

Well, obviously, you need to see a superheroine in peril in order to develop a peril fetish (?).

That's not true at all. You don't always need to see something to create an idea or desire for it. For example, part of my SHIP fetish is seeing a heroine publicly defeated and violated in a public place. Have I seen public sex with a superheronine? The answer is a clear no. This type of video does not exist at least to my knowledge.

Those Supergirl clips where you need to hunt the frames in search for half a second of some peril, or Supergirl is just standing there with a boring look on her face wearing the most non-sexy Supergirl costume ever imagined, can't really be compared to any similar scenes from the old Batman, WW, or even the 80's Supergirl movie, IMHO. Of course, that's from my particular point of view. If that floats your boat, more power to you, but remember, there are as many fetish variants as there are people, and the arbitrary morality filters which other people are complaining about are very real and may end up affecting you too at some point.

Oh so only you can have opinions and express what is good to you and what you think is boring. Thanks for being a hypocrite and have a great day!

[Dazzle1]

For some reason my last post did not go through

Wonder woman for most of her tenure had a vunerability which was having her wrist chain by a man, the equvilent of Kyptonite or GL weakness towards yellow.

as far as the lasso that is one of the most powerful weapons or device in the DC universe and it works on everyone from powerful superman, iron will Batman so it should work with Wonder Woman.

[theScribbler]

SHIP not dying nor poorly marketed.

That was easy.

Yep, lasso very powerful magical thing. I wonder if there'll ever be a story where some villain finds a way to lie while being lassoed, like lying about terrible things he saw Wonder Woman do! And what would entail from that.

Or some mystical magical evildoer gets the lasso, lassoes Wonder Woman, and instead of making her tell the truth, he gets it to make her lie about terrible crimes and that she's a secret insatiable submissive bondage slut, WW is thus mortified, everyone watching takes what she says as truth and doesn't care as she is then savagely bondage punished afterwards, cause they believe she's into it.

[Darak]

That's not true at all. You don't always need to see something to create an idea or desire for it. For example, part of my SHIP fetish is seeing a heroine publicly defeated and violated in a public place. Have I seen public sex with a superheronine? The answer is a clear no. This type of video does not exist at least to my knowledge.

I disagree. You need to see at least some kind of peril, no matter how mild or suggested, in order to develop a peril fetish. Thing about it this way: if you are never exposed to superheroines you won't develop a superheroine fetish.

From your preferences, my guess is you enjoy public place porn, which is a popular genre by itself. And you obviously have been exposed to superheroines being defeated, as most stories will include that up to some point. You've develop a fetish from multiple things you've been exposed to, which is perfectly fine, and common.

How can you develop, for example, a chloroform fetish if you are never exposed to such scenes? I don't have that particular fetish, but many did, and that's something you see less and less as those scenes have been banned for a long time now. Perhaps with good reason, as the stuff is actually extremely dangerous IRL and doesn't work like in fantasy, but that is a topic that may be worthy of discussion by itself.

Oh so only you can have opinions and express what is good to you and what you think is boring. Thanks for being a hypocrite and have a great day!

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion. I clearly stated my opinion is just mine, and I have no problem respecting others. No fetish or preference is better than others, IMHO.

[Imagineer]

Peril is a common ingredient in storytelling, so unless someone has been sequestered from movies and TV and books, they've been introduced. To develop a fetish for a specific type of peril, you might need to be introduced to that thing -- a person is unlikely to develop a white-chloroform-rag-clamped-from-behind fetish without seeing it -- but people can and do combine elements on their own. I didn't need to see a superheroine dismayed that her leotard had become see-through before I knew I wanted to see that scenario.

There's peril in horror movies and on the Lifetime Movie Network. Hell, there's peril underneath #metoo and mass shootings. Fetishes sexualize things that are not inherently sexual. People combine stuff in their heads, sometimes unintentionally and in weird ways.

And sure, there isn't as much wink-wink sexualized peril in big-time mainstream TV as was seen in Adam West's Batman and Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, or in big-time mainstream comics as was seen in William Moulton Marston's Wonder Woman... but we are also not the monoculture we used to be, and we also deconstruct things a lot more. And don't tell me horror movies and Lifetime Movie Network aren't deliberately exploiting the emotional adjacency of fear, excitement, and sexual arousal. It's not much of a stretch (ahem) to combine spandex with peril -- subverting empowerment fantasies doesn't take a ton of emotional sophistication.

[Damselbinder]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

[Bert]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

A lot of them, okay? And asking that question disrespects my opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion. No one can come on here and say I'm not entitled to sharing my opinion. It's my right to say what I want. And what's with these so called SHIP videos that don't have sex in them? That's completely pointless and boring. People who prefer videos with no sex aren't really part of this fetish, and that's my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion, IMHO. And you're a hypocrite for asking that question, and have a nice day.

[Visitor]

Yep, lasso very powerful magical thing. I wonder if there'll ever be a story where some villain finds a way to lie while being lassoed, like lying about terrible things he saw Wonder Woman do! And what would entail from that.

Scroll down to near the bottom of https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/marvelm ... ml#p709239. Unpublished Joker #10 had the the Joker immune to the magic lasso because his insanity made him unable to distinguish truth from lies. I won't spoil the surprise of what happens next.

Also there was a book and record set, "Wonder Woman: The Secret of the Magic Tiara" where a crook had a metal plate in his skull that prevent the lasso from working on him. It takes some more pages before he gets his way with her.

[GeekyPornCritic]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

Check out Heroine Movies and read through the comments. Some producers have mentioned a drop in interest and sales.

I've spoken to multiple producers in private on different sites, and I won't share any names for respect of privacy.

[bushwackerbob]

If people you are talking to are saying that then I think that is a cop out answer. Perhaps these producers are not responding to the needs of the marketplace and are making mediocre or less appealing SHP films. Perhaps the studios you are talking to are losing business to SHP studios that respond better to what the customer actually wants instead of making a load of customs and then hoping they sell to the audience at large. I would blame these whiney boo hoo companies instead of claiming any substantive decline in interest but I guess sometimes it is easier to chalk it up to a decline in the genre instead of looking in the mirror.

[theScribbler]

Yep, lasso very powerful magical thing. I wonder if there'll ever be a story where some villain finds a way to lie while being lassoed, like lying about terrible things he saw Wonder Woman do! And what would entail from that.

Scroll down to near the bottom of https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/marvelm ... ml#p709239. Unpublished Joker #10 had the the Joker immune to the magic lasso because his insanity made him unable to distinguish truth from lies. I won't spoil the surprise of what happens next.

Also there was a book and record set, "Wonder Woman: The Secret of the Magic Tiara" where a crook had a metal plate in his skull that prevent the lasso from working on him. It takes some more pages before he gets his way with her.

Cool...

[Damselbinder]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

Check out Heroine Movies and read through the comments. Some producers have mentioned a drop in interest and sales.

I've spoken to multiple producers in private on different sites, and I won't share any names for respect of privacy.

It is, perhaps, a little frustrating that much of the evidence you cite you shut behind a closed door. Fair enough, you did point me specifically at Heroine Movies, but I'm not wholly sure that establishes a pattern.

[RedMountain]

In terms of video production, I wonder just how much of it comes down to pirating. You can usually find new videos free on [Mod edit ] various sites within a few weeks of its release so I'm guessing a lot of people aren't supporting producers and just going there for all their needs. It appears some do get removed, but it's amazing how much is out there.

[GeekyPornCritic]

It is, perhaps, a little frustrating that much of the evidence you cite you shut behind a closed door. Fair enough, you did point me specifically at Heroine Movies, but I'm not wholly sure that establishes a pattern.

Please consider this,

There has been a major decline in SHIP material. Some producers have greatly slowed down productions or just left the business. Some new companies never lasted a year. Superheroine Destruction was around for maybe six months. I think that studio only had five or six movies.

We only have a few reliable studios. Primal Fetish, RYE, and The Battle For Earth are the most consistent studios. They are the only three studios to release a new movie every month. The genre would have a lot less content without those studios. Three consistent studios is not a healthy number of producers in an adult fetish.

Lucia films is the only new company (not new now) in recent years to stay in business, and continue to produce new films.

Furthermore, take a look at this forum. There are less active people. I've noticed there are a lot less writers here as well. The decline in activity here can be a number of factors such as interest in the genre and the forum's culture.

[Femina]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

A lot of them, okay? And asking that question disrespects my opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion. No one can come on here and say I'm not entitled to sharing my opinion. It's my right to say what I want. And what's with these so called SHIP videos that don't have sex in them? That's completely pointless and boring. People who prefer videos with no sex aren't really part of this fetish, and that's my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion, IMHO. And you're a hypocrite for asking that question, and have a nice day.

Whoa... I mean... I don't mean to jump on you here cause it seems like you maybe have been having a bad day... but "A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away' isn't a statement made as though of opinion? It's a statement made as though of fact... so It isn't actually disrespectful to be asked 'which and when?' but it is sort of disrespectful to tell the questioner to 'Shut up that's why!'

Now It's fine to reply 'I dunno man, I don't have the time to go compiling a stack of sources to cite why I believe this is fact just for a forum conversation, It's just what I've heard, take it or leave it' ... but I think you maybe bit poor DB's head off there a little bit for asking a relatively innocent question?

[swampy170]

This thread is still going?! Madness!

Yes, some producers are bowing out - but dying?!

Clearly people don't remember the old days where the SHC release of a small snippet of a video every few weeks was a successful business model!

The superheroine peril genre remains eons ahead of where it used to be, even if some producers are feeling the pinch. I don't doubt they're finding it hard - but that's were it's necessary to diversify and innovate to survive.

Piracy for example - a solveable issue. Netflix and the like have done it with mainstream films already. Clips4Sale but a streaming site, is no doubt already in the works somewhere.

Are we likely to see more producers bow out of the genre? Quite possibly. Will it die off? Unlikely.

[theScribbler]

A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away.

Which producers? When?

A lot of them, okay? And asking that question disrespects my opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion. No one can come on here and say I'm not entitled to sharing my opinion. It's my right to say what I want. And what's with these so called SHIP videos that don't have sex in them? That's completely pointless and boring. People who prefer videos with no sex aren't really part of this fetish, and that's my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion, IMHO. And you're a hypocrite for asking that question, and have a nice day.

Whoa... I mean... I don't mean to jump on you here cause it seems like you maybe have been having a bad day... but "A lot of producers have been saying the genre of SHIP may be fading away' isn't a statement made as though of opinion? It's a statement made as though of fact... so It isn't actually disrespectful to be asked 'which and when?' but it is sort of disrespectful to tell the questioner to 'Shut up that's why!'

Now It's fine to reply 'I dunno man, I don't have the time to go compiling a stack of sources to cite why I believe this is fact just for a forum conversation, It's just what I've heard, take it or leave it' ... but I think you maybe bit poor DB's head off there a little bit for asking a relatively innocent question?

@Femina
Bert wasn't being serious. He was doing a spot-on impression of a certain other poster in this thread.

[GeekyPornCritic]

This thread is still going?! Madness!

Yes, some producers are bowing out - but dying?!

Clearly people don't remember the old days where the SHC release of a small snippet of a video every few weeks was a successful business model!

The superheroine peril genre remains eons ahead of where it used to be, even if some producers are feeling the pinch. I don't doubt they're finding it hard - but that's were it's necessary to diversify and innovate to survive.

Piracy for example - a solveable issue. Netflix and the like have done it with mainstream films already. Clips4Sale but a streaming site, is no doubt already in the works somewhere.

Are we likely to see more producers bow out of the genre? Quite possibly. Will it die off? Unlikely.

I don't think a streaming site is a solution. It would actually turn people away from buying products. I would never join a site for streaming only. I want to own and download movies because it is very convenient. Furthermore, there are many issues with streaming only sites. If your Internet connection is down, then you are unable to watch the product. This is not an issue with Netflix because customers have the option of purchasing the physical movies or purchasing the videos through Apple Store.

Speaking of Apple Store, I think this is a better option since an Internet Connection is not required after you purchase the movie.

Clips4Sale isn't the problem. Please take a look at the history of pirating porn. Hackers or pirates steal porn by hacking sites or members' emails to steal usernames and passwords. It's a common problem with membership sites. Then, these pirates log into the sites, download the porn, and post it on the web.

Clips4Sale is a different type of website. You can't buy a membership and have instant access to 5,000 movies. Customers must buy a video and download it after the purchase. Customers also don't have accounts. Hackers/Pirates are unable to hack a customer's account because it does not exist. Who is uploading videos from Clips4Sale? Some customers are buying the videos and uploading them to illegal sites.

Seven years ago my email was hacked a few minutes after joining a porn site. The person wanted my user information and was illegally using my membership. Thus, the account was locked until the issue was resolved. However, the site's owner blamed me for someone hacking my email. It's disrespectful and wrong to blame the victim of a crime. It's not a person fault because a criminal hacked an account.

Porn Culture Vs Entertainment Culture

Mainstream films' problems with piracy are very different than porn's problems with piracy. First, mainstream companies' problems were strictly with customers and not each other. This may sounds odd, but it makes sense after you read what follows. Mainstream companies were going after pirates and file sharing sites.

Porn's problems are a bit different. Manwin the owner of Brazzers, Digital Playground, Reality Kings, etc. own many tube sites. The competition within the porn industry is hurting rival companies. This strategy is how Manwin rose to the top of the porn industry. They allow users to upload any video except for their videos. People must buy their videos, but Manwin's tube sites give access to the competition's videos.

Furthermore, people are willing to purchase mainstream movies, music, and other forms of entertainment. We expect to buy for these types of entertainment.

The culture of porn is very different. People expect to get porn for free. People think tube sites are great and they don't need to pay for porn. They refuse to pay for movies and reject the idea of buying porn. They think porn should be free because it is sexual entertainment and unfairly treat it to a lesser standard than mainstream movies.

SHC's Business Model

SHC's business model of releasing a snippet every few weeks worked because it softcore content. That was an acceptable standard during that time. However, today's consumers have different expectations and standards. First, we expect full releases.

[bushwackerbob]

I do like this outside the box thinking. Streaming may not be the solution but examining other platforms or other ways to view porn is not a bad thing at all. I really think that GPC hit it on the head in regards to the culture of porn, especially with millennials. I know this is a generalization, but there is a perception out there (whether it is true or not) that millennials are averse to paying for stuff, that they expect many of life's pleasures be free of charge, whether it is the growing number of millennials who choose cord cutting to those who post others hard honest work on free porn sites. Yes, I know that this is not just a millennial thing but I do think that it is an ever increasing thing and I think that is in due part to the increasing amount of millennials coming of age and making these economic choices.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I do like this outside the box thinking. Streaming may not be the solution but examining other platforms or other ways to view porn is not a bad thing at all. I really think that GPC hit it on the head in regards to the culture of porn, especially with millennials. I know this is a generalization, but there is a perception out there (whether it is true or not) that millennials are averse to paying for stuff, that they expect many of life's pleasures be free of charge, whether it is the growing number of millennials who choose cord cutting to those who post others hard honest work on free porn sites. Yes, I know that this is not just a millennial thing but I do think that it is an ever increasing thing and I think that is in due part to the increasing amount of millennials coming of age and making these economic choices.

I'm a millennial and this issue of pirating has been a problem for porn for over a decade. You see I wasn't even 18 when this was a problem. So millennials aren't the source of the problematic porn culture.

Do you remember MegaUpload? MegaUpload started in 2005 and us millennials were not of age to purchase porn. This site was infamous for pirating music, mainstream movies, television shows, and porn. There were also many legit users who used it to back files and personal photos. So not everyone caused problems on the site. So you see this porn's problematic culture with its consumers and free users comes from people of all ages and generations.

[bushwackerbob]

I do like this outside the box thinking. Streaming may not be the solution but examining other platforms or other ways to view porn is not a bad thing at all. I really think that GPC hit it on the head in regards to the culture of porn, especially with millennials. I know this is a generalization, but there is a perception out there (whether it is true or not) that millennials are averse to paying for stuff, that they expect many of life's pleasures be free of charge, whether it is the growing number of millennials who choose cord cutting to those who post others hard honest work on free porn sites. Yes, I know that this is not just a millennial thing but I do think that it is an ever increasing thing and I think that is in due part to the increasing amount of millennials coming of age and making these economic choices.

I'm a millennial and this issue of pirating has been a problem for porn for over a decade. You see I wasn't even 18 when this was a problem. So millennials aren't the source of the problematic porn culture.

Do you remember MegaUpload? MegaUpload started in 2005 and us millennials were not of age to purchase porn. This site was infamous for pirating music, mainstream movies, television shows, and porn. There were also many legit users who used it to back files and personal photos. So not everyone caused problems on the site. So you see this porn's problematic culture with its consumers and free users comes from people of all ages and generations.

You are certainly correct that piracy has always been a problem. It seems worse to me now more than anytime in the history of the Internet. To me that increase in Internet piracy corresponds to the increase in the economic power of the coming of age milennials.

[LuciaFilms]

I suspect the low search-engine profile of content in these porn/fetish genres is deliberate, a behavior learned from prior aggressive IP enforcement by certain character trademark owners, and perhaps also from morality meddling in payment processing.

I worry that the scales are tipping so far in favor of IP owners and away from fair use that Warner and Disney may one day decide to purge the web of anything obviously derivative, that no one will have financial incentive to force the issue back toward reason in the courts, and that the resulting original-characters-and-concepts-only market will be smaller, more timid, and harder to connect with.

Mind that... I am only speaking for our studio and no-one elses. Any opinions I share are strictly from the perspective of Luciafilms and are not necessarily indicative of anyone else in the genre. ♥

Disclaimer aside, for us, Imagineer hit it on the nose. We are in a very precarious position in general, and especially right now due to the nature of today's more conservative stance on the internet and the general dangers of social media. (Not to mention the attacks upon the safety of sex-workers in general, which, many of us qualify as) It is a scary thing to put yourself too far out because this is one of the business' where going viral is a very bad thing that lands you in court facing off against people with resources to burn. There have already been extremely precarious run-ins with a few major companies with household names, and all it takes is the wrong person or mouse noticing the wrong thing and 'poof'. Visa revoked and virtually everything is gone. We know this because its almost happened before. Keeping a lower search profile helps prevent this.

This puts us in an awkward marketing position very carefully curating what we put out on instagram/twitter/etc. I (Lucia) used to work in a marketing business. Trust me when I say it pains me to have to tip-toe around things and not put those skills to work. Too much visibility can also upset distributors even before it gets that far. It's just... complicated. The whole thing.

As for content creation? I imagine a lot of the long-timers are getting frustrated due to the changing climates and dropping away, and new people are intimidated by the starting process. This genre has a high bar for real success these days. I was deeply fortunate in that I got extensive training by an industry vet prior to getting started. (I'm sure sharp eyed fans are well aware of who.) Even ten years ago people were putting out grainy, cheap movies with C movie dialogue and acting, of almost any kind of content they wanted ,and were still making enough to buy houses and have a stable future. (I know because everyone likes to constantly remind me about the 'golden years' that I missed. ) Down-scaling from that is just... hard. No matter the reason.

Now adays the costs have quadrupled and the profits are a tenth of what they were. Many people want bigger and better spectacle and bigger and more expensive actresses. It is hard. Hard work. Like. Wow it is hard. And requires a constant stream of content to be able to finance future content. You don't really make money until the movie you put out is paid for, and then you need even more money to make the next. Etc etc. (To answer the person talking about too much content being put out.) A dud can be insanely precarious. We almost lost everything a while back over an expensive to produce series of movies that didn't sell well at all. So it doesn't really surprise me that people might be phasing out or getting frustrated etc etc.

I love this work, and am fortunate to be surrounded by people who also really love it. But even early as I am into it I can totally understand the burnout. It is an incredibly taxing job. I don't think the genre is going anywhere, but the hurdles the producers face are many. There is 'so' much I want to say, (Pirating is its own novel) but it is worrisome that I will accidentally overstep or speak out of turn in a way that will effect other producers. I mostly just wanted to chime in on the marketing side of the conversation, as that one is a real frustration for all of us; most of our team having some sort of media or social networking bent to our prior vocations.

So. Maybe a nickle, as that was a bit more than my two cents.

Lucia~

[DrDominator9]

LuciaFilms. I just wanted to thank you for sharing some of your insights into what the SHIP business is like these days. It's enlightening and, yes, for us aficionados of the genre, quite sad to hear about what you have to go through to sell your product. For one, I thank you for continuing to produce such works and to take the risks involved.