Captain Marvel news

[sugarcoater]

“As if there even is such a thing as a non conservative American!)“

Lol, seriously?! Have you not been on a college campus? Did you miss the latest about the UCD professor literally advocating the shooting of police? Or how about the guy who was attacked on the UC Berkeley campus for speaking out against racist hoaxes harming victims of racism?
The fact that politicians are tactfully dancing around the simple and formerly American culture perspective of being okay being a capitalist is all you need to see to validate that the liberal view is just as prevalent as the conservative view.

[lionbadger]

Why do you think I havent locked it?

I mean, if nothing else it's worth it for the Trump style twitter rants it's generating from Mr X

[lionbadger]

“As if there even is such a thing as a non conservative American!)“

Lol, seriously?! Have you not been on a college campus? Did you miss the latest about the UCD professor literally advocating the shooting of police? Or how about the guy who was attacked on the UC Berkeley campus for speaking out against racist hoaxes harming victims of racism?

The fact that politicians are tactfully dancing around the simple and formerly American culture perspective of being okay being a capitalist is all you need to see to validate that the liberal view is just as prevalent as the conservative view.

It's not a "liberal" response to shoot people or attack them. That response to someone/thing challenging your view of reality is the heart of conservativism. You know, it's like splitting say the Afghanistan war into liberals and conservatives. No liberals just red or blue conservatives who hate each other and want all the power

The problem with Capitalism in the west, not just US, is that what's being supported isn't Capitalism, it's socialism/kleptocracy for the very rich and capitalism (plus increasing authoritarianism) for the poors. Not sure what the tipping point is there? Maybe the next big recession.

(and, not the UK is any different right now either)

[swampy170]

“As if there even is such a thing as a non conservative American!)“

Lol, seriously?! Have you not been on a college campus? Did you miss the latest about the UCD professor literally advocating the shooting of police? Or how about the guy who was attacked on the UC Berkeley campus for speaking out against racist hoaxes harming victims of racism?

The fact that politicians are tactfully dancing around the simple and formerly American culture perspective of being okay being a capitalist is all you need to see to validate that the liberal view is just as prevalent as the conservative view.

It's not a "liberal" response to shoot people or attack them. That response to someone/thing challenging your view of reality is the heart of conservativism. You know, it's like splitting say the Afghanistan war into liberals and conservatives. No liberals just red or blue conservatives who hate each other and want all the power

The problem with Capitalism in the west, not just US, is that what's being supported isn't Capitalism, it's socialism/kleptocracy for the very rich and capitalism (plus increasing authoritarianism) for the poors. Not sure what the tipping point is there? Maybe the next big recession.

(and, not the UK is any different right now either)

This is so true - capitalism is entirely broken!

A capitalist system needs consequnces - the normal naturalisation that should have happened in 2008 (with most of the world's billionaires loosing VAST quantities of their fortunes) did not happen due to bailing out the banks.

The bubble deflated slightly, but is now bigger than ever. This next crash is going to hurt - and the rich (those with the most shares) most of all.

[MightyHypnotic]

Why do you think I havent locked it?

I mean, if nothing else it's worth it for the Trump style twitter rants it's generating from Mr X

I was just going to say no one seems really bothered by this thread other than Mr. X on Twitter.

I WOULD, however, like to hear more reviews of the movie from those who have seen it, regardless if you like it or not. So far the movie sounds like more fun than I thought it would be.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Why do you think I havent locked it?

I mean, if nothing else it's worth it for the Trump style twitter rants it's generating from Mr X

I was just going to say no one seems really bothered by this thread other than Mr. X on Twitter.

I WOULD, however, like to hear more reviews of the movie from those who have seen it, regardless if you like it or not. So far the movie sounds like more fun than I thought it would be.

I am also only hearing positive reviews! I am going to wait to get it on DVD. I wonder if the movie explains Captain Marvel's absence in The Avengers.

[DrDominator9]

Overall, it's a good movie and I'd rate it 6.5/10.

However, I'm told that if you're a true comics book devotee of Mar-Vel, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel and all those backstories, I hear you will really not like the movie much because they switch a lot of things around from those classic books. And those fond memories you have from those books will be severely trashed.

I've watched quite a few review videos on it and a fair amount of them have generally thought the movie was interesting throughout but with flaws that detracted from the over all enjoyment of the film.

Spoiler

And Captain Marvel raises a lot of questions and some trepidations about whether they've introduced CM at this stage for the sole reason to come in and deliver a knockout punch to Thanos in Avengers: Endgame. I think that Kevin Feige and the Russo Bros. are more clever than that though. My thinking is that she will be the added ingredient so those not taken by the snap will be able to fix the snap as a unit and thus be victorious. She won't be a one-punch Thanos killer as deus ex machina. At least I sure hope not. You don't bring people through 10 years and 20 films just to have some young upstart power-puff girl come in and take all the glory!

[Femina]

The 'hate' is drying up pretty quickly out there in the face of CM's overall numbers thank god. The movie is a fine movie. As I said in the proper Captain Marvel thread, I rank it right in the middle of the overall Marvel verse but I was pretty light on details to avoid spoilers and such... what ought to click though is that the vast majority of legitamate movie analyzing youtubers (and not the boycott campaigning jackasses from the last few week) are all of a similar oppinion and, more importantly perhaps, very excited to see what she's going to bring to Endgame.

[sugarcoater]

“As if there even is such a thing as a non conservative American!)“

Lol, seriously?! Have you not been on a college campus? Did you miss the latest about the UCD professor literally advocating the shooting of police? Or how about the guy who was attacked on the UC Berkeley campus for speaking out against racist hoaxes harming victims of racism?

The fact that politicians are tactfully dancing around the simple and formerly American culture perspective of being okay being a capitalist is all you need to see to validate that the liberal view is just as prevalent as the conservative view.

It's not a "liberal" response to shoot people or attack them. That response to someone/thing challenging your view of reality is the heart of conservativism. You know, it's like splitting say the Afghanistan war into liberals and conservatives. No liberals just red or blue conservatives who hate each other and want all the power

The problem with Capitalism in the west, not just US, is that what's being supported isn't Capitalism, it's socialism/kleptocracy for the very rich and capitalism (plus increasing authoritarianism) for the poors. Not sure what the tipping point is there? Maybe the next big recession.

(and, not the UK is any different right now either)

I would say capitalism is fine. It’s the best version of an imperfect system. When it doesn’t work, oftentimes the reason for it not working is due to government manipulation and corruption.

As for your comment about shooting, I don’t quite understand your point. My comment was in regard to the safety of espousing liberal views in many, many places. Try taking the conservative perspective on issues in Hollywood or via most media outlets. I was responding simply to the point that conservative views are often just as challenging to stand by as liberal views: both face various forms of pushback.
That’s basically it. On to reviews of the movie...?

[theScribbler]

Unclear about the different threads.

This one we're currently in, Captain Marvel News, I'd guess is for Captain Marvel movie including reviews from people who've seen it. Although it's fine there's a separate thread just for the latter. However, the CM reviews thread from people who've seen it, should also be in Superheroine Lounge and not in Superhero Movies & TV, since that forum is for "Avengers, Batman, Superman, etc Discussion about comic mainstream movies and TV shows." Granted, Avengers Endgame threads, which will feature Captain Marvel as a pivotal character, should go there (I'm guessing).

Also, seeing as there's now a political views thread, shouldn't all the political talk migrate over to there and not muck up this one. Unless maybe the talk is specific to CM, like political attacks by m..b..b..s targeting CM based straw woman.

[lionbadger]

Stop trying to bring order to the chaos Scibbler! You're ruining the fun!

Sit, grab a lovely cup of tea, make sure you've got tea, not fucking coffee (devil's arse water) and go with it

[viking]

If the studio's goal was to make an entertaining movie that made money, they were successful.

[Bert]

Stop trying to bring order to the chaos Scibbler! You're ruining the fun!

Sit, grab a lovely cup of tea, make sure you've got tea, not fucking coffee (devil's arse water) and go with it

You take that back! Coffee is obviously the elixir of life.

[DrDominator9]

Seeing as there's now a political views thread, shouldn't all the political talk migrate over to there and not muck up this one.

Stop trying to bring order to the chaos Scibbler! You're ruining the fun!

Sit, grab a lovely cup of tea, make sure you've got tea, not fucking coffee (devil's arse water) and go with it

Being the moderator here, I am officially asking nicely that all political commentary not specifically addressed to the Captain Marvel movie be expressed in the Political Viewpoints thread. This thread is now for pertinent CM news, regarding box office numbers, discussions about future CM projects and the like.

If you have a review of the movie you can put that in this linked thread:

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=31907&p=162679#p162679

Thanks to one and all for a lively discussion. Now let's get back to CM talk, okay?

[Dogfish]

I mentioned this in the movie thread which probably isn't the best place for it since it's kind of gossip/news related, but I was contemplating a few things about Captain Marvel lately.

1. She's apparently ridonkulously powerful. This isn't a fluke, she's meant to be ridonkulously powerful.

2. You notice how in the Fox X-Men movies Rogue was crap compared to the cartoon series one who was super hot? Well it's because Fox don't have the rights to Captain Marvel. And without Captain Marvel you don't get super-powerful bombshell Rogue, you get the angsty sadsack Rogue. The Disney buyout of Fox solves this problem.

3. More of the X-Men are going to enter the MCU in Phase Four. We've already had a couple, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and word is the hunt is already on for somebody to play Wolverine. In theory we could see Rogue as an antagonist first, and she could ultimately be the one who puts down Captain Marvel. Then Rogue will presumably be redeemed and join the Avengers or the X-Men or however they go with it.

All this has me worried to be honest because I think the X-Men are kinda shit and I can imagine them swarming all over the MCU and me losing interest in the whole enterprise pretty soon thereafter. But I'd be very pleased to see a proper Rogue.

[Imagineer]

FWIW, the #CaptainMarvelChallenge results are mixed. I've been following the #FlintKids challenge -- she had done fundraisers for Black Panther and A Wrinkle in Time -- and she raised $3,613 of her $6,000 goal.

The Pittsburgh challenge appeared to reach its original $5,000 goal, but because Fandango donated $1,500 in tickets.

The Bronx effort by Academy of Mount St. Ursula reached its $10,000 goal with a $2,000 donation from Eva Longoria.
A Jacksonville effort reached its $5,000 goal... with $3,000 in tickets from Fandango.
A Chicago effort reached its $1,000 goal.
A Greenville SC effort by the Greenville County Democratic Party ("to celebrate women in politics during Women's History Month") is at $1,559 of its $2,000 goal; their screening is two days from now.

There were several other efforts under the same hashtag that didn't do so well, but fundraising isn't easy.

You can search the gofundme.com site for #CaptainMarvelChallenge and poke about for more details if you're interested.

[shevek]

Meanwhile, there's a growing Captain Marvel "empty seat conspiracy" rising now.

A bunch of folks who work at movie theaters are tweeting that their theaters were virtually empty even though their tickets were bought out.
One guy said there were as many as 570 empty seats at 22 showings over the weekend at his theater.
Other people who watched the film took photos of the empty theaters they saw the movie at over opening weekend.
Still others are noting the 71% domestic drop on Monday, which is 20% more than the drop from Batman vs Superman.

The suspicion is not just that Fandango helped to 'paper' the Challenge showings as you've mentioned above...but that Disney themselves bought out a bunch of theaters.

Just reporting what I've read, folks.
Guess we'll see if any of that comes to light over the coming weeks.....meanwhile....

https://cosmicbook.news/disney-manipula ... perception

[theScribbler]

Meanwhile, there's a growing Captain Marvel "empty seat conspiracy" rising now...

No there isn't.

blah blah blah...your linked article was written by a m..b..by aka loser, dufus, anti-Brie hater, etc.

This guy...
https://twitter.com/mattmcgloin?lang=en









Of course he's going to create a fake conspiracy. More lying propaganda that'll propagate. Them folks will try anything except report truth. Just more fake news, in this guys case 1000% pack of lies. His link to USA Today so-called report doesn't even go to USA Today site.

Snooze.

Find better sources other than drivel. Do better.

A bunch of folks who work at movie theaters are tweeting that their theaters were virtually empty even though their tickets were bought out.

Source?

One guy said there were as many as 570 empty seats at 22 showings over the weekend at his theater.

Source?

Other people who watched the film took photos of the empty theaters they saw the movie at over opening weekend.

Source?

Still others are noting the 71% domestic drop on Monday, which is 20% more than the drop from Batman vs Superman.

Source?

The suspicion is not just that Fandango helped to 'paper' the Challenge showings as you've mentioned above...but that Disney themselves bought out a bunch of theaters.

Source?

[Dogfish]

I love that 'domestic drop' is seen as an indicator of failure when a movie has a massive opening weekend.

If a movie has a massive first weekend, then reverts to something close to normal, then it will have a larger domestic drop than a movie with a normal opening weekend and the expected drop afterwards. All the recent Avengers movies have done much the same, even Infinity War.

It's probably going to stick around in the cinema doing decent business in the lead up to Endgame because it won't be visible anywhere except a cinema before Endgame comes out, and it's kind of necessary viewing for Endgame. People who haven't seen it are going to be like, "Who the hell is this and how did she just beat Thanos to death with his own chin?"

[GWalb]

This is all becoming really boring.

[lionbadger]

The suspicion is not just that Fandango helped to 'paper' the Challenge showings as you've mentioned above...but that Disney themselves bought out a bunch of theaters.

This is full on tin foil hat stuff now. I keep waiting for a youtube link saying major league baseball is behind everything

[Imagineer]

https://cosmicbook.news/disney-manipula ... perception

IT'S CALLED MARKETING. And that "article" uses the language of conspiracy-nutters.

The suspicion is not just that Fandango helped to 'paper' the Challenge showings as you've mentioned above...

Hold up. Corporate donations of tickets to a couple GoFundMes set up to take underprivileged kids to the movie -- set up by an established charitable organization and an individual who'd run such campaigns before -- you're throwing that into a conspiracy theory that Disney bought box office numbers with empty seats?

That connection could only be spawned by a pie-eyed lunatic or a deliberate shift-stirrer.

BTW, Fandango donated $1500 in tickets to Pittsburgh, $3000 to AstroStarbright (Jacksonville)... and that's it.

It's corporate charity to burnish the giver's reputation. It might also be a favor to a studio exec or the star to prop up a couple of worthy but flailing charitable campaigns connected to the movie. --Waitaminute, did you convince Fandango to make those donations? So that you could make this connection to the box-office penis-pumping theory? ...Did you have that article written? You did, didn't you? I bet you even convinced Disney to use all the usual industry tactics to promote the film, maybe even gave them some social-media tips to help them combat the negative campaign... which your team probably instigated. All under the cover of a superheroine film project. Oh my gawd. And you almost got away with it. But your mistake was in making that #CaptainMarvelChallenge donation. You just couldn't resist signing your work.

Question for the group -- which studio would be best to make a SHIP video with this conspiracy plot? --I do have that tax refund I could use as seed money for a custom... this could be awesome.

Just reporting what I've read, folks.

This is what people deliberately spreading misinformation to sow discord like to say. (These days we might say it's very Presidential language.) Also people who can't tell shift from shinola. Also people just having an off day. *shrug*

[awsman]

I can't be bothered to read all the way through this thread, but I do find it hilarious how threatened so many comic book fans are by the idea of a female protagonist. They've wished failure on the movie ever since it was announced, and now are willing go all in on (or at least attempt to give credibility to) any hastily thrown together conspiracy theories, no matter how laughable, just to avoid facing the reality that general audience-goers don't hate women like they do. Just how fragile can one's masculinity be to somehow see Captain Marvel's success as a personal attack? It's mind-boggling.

[Femina]

So you think that Disney is willing to waste a half a billion dollars to push a franchise just so they can waste a half a billion dollars every time a sequel for it comes out to... to what? Push feminism?

If you honestly think that... than you're nuttier than Gary Busey. Disney doesn't care about Feminism unless it can MAKE them money.

[sugarcoater]

I can't be bothered to read all the way through this thread, but I do find it hilarious how threatened so many comic book fans are by the idea of a female protagonist. They've wished failure on the movie ever since it was announced, and now are willing go all in on (or at least attempt to give credibility to) any hastily thrown together conspiracy theories, no matter how laughable, just to avoid facing the reality that general audience-goers don't hate women like they do. Just how fragile can one's masculinity be to somehow see Captain Marvel's success as a personal attack? It's mind-boggling.

Lol, I can’t imagine a sane person “threatened” by a female protagonist. Then again, I don’t associate with the insane.
As for the wishing for the movie to fail, my guess is those who look for the movie to fail have different reasons than the false argument that people are threatened by a having fictional female character as the protagonist in a comic movie.

[sugarcoater]

So you think that Disney is willing to waste a half a billion dollars to push a franchise just so they can waste a half a billion dollars every time a sequel for it comes out to... to what? Push feminism?

If you honestly think that... than you're nuttier than Gary Busey. Disney doesn't care about Feminism unless it can MAKE them money.

I agree with this point. Lately businesses have been virtue-signaling in an attempt to increase business (ex. Gilette commercial). I think Disney knows there’s a market for strong female leads, and as a bonus they will receive praise from all mainstream media outlets for having a strong female lead (unless the movie is atrociously bad, which isn’t the case). The movie is definitely getting a bump for this, and good for Disney for using it to increase the media coverage for their product. As a stockholder, I wholeheartedly approve.

[Femina]

Lately businesses have been virtue-signaling

I'm gonna stop you right there. Why is it 'Virtue-signaling' whenever businesses, films or otherwise praise anything to do with feminism or race... but like... shit's fine if we praise Arnold Schwarzenegger or Aquaman flexing at the Camera for two-hours spouting one liners and catchphrases for a largely male audience?

I'll tell you why. Racism and sexism. The only difference in advertising female empowerment to women, vs male empowerment to men is that the sexes are inverted. It's not 'Virtue Signaling' that's a dumb catch phrase paranoid nut jobs invented to make an issue where there was none, it's just business as usual for a different audience.

[shevek]

I can't be bothered to read all the way through this thread, but I do find it hilarious how threatened so many comic book fans are by the idea of a female protagonist.

Awsman:

Neither I nor anyone else who has been following the track of this movie with a critical eye is threatened by a movie with a female protagonist. Please disabuse yourself of that notion. This is a false narrative. Those who fashion this narrative are merely deflecting and name calling. This is a forum entirely about fans who watch and/or produce films by female protagonists, so it especially cannot be the case that any of us here are threatened.

We have cheered on X-Men's women, Wonder Woman, Mera, Wasp, and Alita. None of those movies projected a heavy-handed one-sided political message (we also cheered on the Supergirl TV show but when it started to project such a message, we took note of it, and nobody disagreed it was happening). The objection is to that message (the identity politics of intersectionalism, essentially), not to the female character. I don't agree with identitarianism, whether it comes from the left (in the case of Brie Larson or Sana Amanat) or from the right (in the case of the New Zealand shooter). And so I have a problem with entertainment vehicles that bludgeon viewers over the head with it.

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Lionbadger, the 'source' for most of the things I mentioned above about the papering of movie theater came from an article in Bounding Into Comics.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/ ... ntroversy/

Here's a new video by Odin's Movie Blog who says outright that there are many ways that the purchased empty seats in those seating charts
can be explained other than Disney papering the theaters. That's why it's good to listen to many sources.



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Sugarcoater-

There's been a "market for strong female leads" since at least the 80s if not the mid-70s. It's called second-wave feminism - the idea of equality between the sexes, that you can now admire a woman for qualities that before then were considered to be the purview of men. I believe in that strongly.

But Disney is not just trying to market a strong female lead. That's what Alita is doing. Disney is trying to market an entire political philosophy. They want to see if hardline progressivism (the kind that elected AOC and Omar, etc) ITSELF works as a marketing strategy, just like you mentioned with Gillette and Nike. I don't know if this comments belongs in the political section now or not, but this is literally what Disney is trying to see if they can make money on. Only 8% of the US population (by most estimates) adheres to this philosophy..therefore, to disseminate such a philosophy to the majority of the mainstream, one needs to hijack a mainstream entertainment vehicle.

The problem with that is the Internet and social media have created incredible polarization of opinion due to confirmation bias. This polarization is one of the main things that helped Trump get elected. So this same kind of polarization has now seeped into every different genre of pop-culture fandom as well - there's a culture war going on, top to bottom. So when you repurpose a mainstream entertainment vehicle with intent to propagandize, there is going to be a sizeable opposition calling you out for doing it. That's what is happening.

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Femina-

I'll explain how 'virtue-signaling' is different.

Because Arnold Schwarzenegger and Aquaman are spouting catchphrases that are politically neutral and entertaining to everyone, men and women.
They're not being 'sexist', and they're not doing anything at the expense of women.

When a strong female character in a movie spouts catchphrases that are also politically neutral and entertaining to everyone - which has been the case since the late 70s and 80s - that's second-wave feminism. That's equality. Get Away From Her, You Bitch = Get to the Chopper.

That's not what the dialogue in Marvel Comics for the past few years, or the catchphrases in the Captain Marvel movie, have been about. They have been about "equity" - elevating an 'oppressed' group at the expense of an 'oppressor' (according to the Progressive Stack). The whole "don't tell women to smile" and so on. Everything in that Gillette was about how terrible men are, WHILE THEY WERE TRYING TO MARKET A RAZOR TO MEN. You have to virtue signal about how great you and your identity group is, while putting the other opposing identity group down, because we're not all in this together, it's a zero-sum game where oppressors have to give up their power to the oppressed, apologize for their sins and make reparations. Those oppressors who make all of those politically correct moves are labeled 'allies', while those who remain neutral or refuse to accede are the 'bigots'.

Third-wave intersectionalist feminism has become so exhausting and an all-encompassing weighty burden on the progressive elements of the culture it's impossible to escape it, and a movie like Captain Marvel simply won't let you.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opi ... story.html

[Femina]

I can't be bothered to read all the way through this thread, but I do find it hilarious how threatened so many comic book fans are by the idea of a female protagonist.

Awsman:

Neither I nor anyone else who has been following the track of this movie with a critical eye is threatened by a movie with a female protagonist.

You're just factually wrong. Maybe YOU aren't threatened, but you can't possibly speak for everyone.

But Disney is not just trying to market a strong female lead. That's what Alita is doing. Disney is trying to market an entire political philosophy. They want to see if hardline progressivism (the kind that elected AOC and Omar, etc) ITSELF works as a marketing strategy, just like you mentioned with Gillette and Nike. I don't know if this comments belongs in the political section now or not, but this is literally what Disney is trying to see if they can make money on. Only 8% of the US population (by most estimates) adheres to this philosophy..therefore, to disseminate such a philosophy to the majority of the mainstream, one needs to hijack a mainstream entertainment vehicle.

This is ENTIRELY baseless conjecture. Source the shit out of this or stop it.

Because Arnold Schwarzenegger and Aquaman are spouting catchphrases that are politically neutral and entertaining to everyone, men and women.
They're not being 'sexist', and they're not doing anything at the expense of women.

This is nonsense. There's plenty of 'macho man' films out there with catch phrases and 'fist pumping' at the expense of women. You might argue that 'well yeah obviously THOSE are bad... but the ones that aren't are fine... to which I'd argue fine, but how then is that not a 'thing' If you want to harp about what people are doing as 'virtue signaling' you gotta stop ignoring the 'VICE signaling' as well. I'm not saying It's wrong for Schwarzenegger to make neutral catch phrases, I'm saying that EVERYTHING anyone says about women or other races in the media today is down voted as 'virtue signaling' by default and the rest is conveniently considered normal by those same detractors.

Did anyone ever stop to think that today's 'Exhausting' Feminism is only because certain elements wont stop posting anti-feminist youtube rants?

[shevek]

Neither I nor anyone else who has been following the track of this movie with a critical eye is threatened by a movie with a female protagonist.
You're just factually wrong. Maybe YOU aren't threatened, but you can't possibly speak for everyone.

I'm not. I've watched dozens of videos about this subject, and none of them is created by a misogynist. None of them. Most of them specifically mention how much they like Alita and Wonder Woman. How much they admire the female characters on the Orville. How great they thought Mera was in Aquaman. How much they want to see a solo Black Widow movie. And several of the channels I watch are female-hosted. Some are hosted by black men as well. Nobody hates women among this crowd. But nobody likes intersectionalism among this crowd either. Period. So yes, they're not into what's being done with Captain Marvel or Doctor Who or maybe She-Ra. That does not indicate hatred of women, just the ideology being promulgated by those properties.

There may, in fact, be Youtube pop-culture channels which actively hate and degrade women...but I have never seen one. More than likely you're thinking of cowards on 8chan, or Islamic fundamentalists or something? It seems unlikely that such channels would actually last very long, though,
because they would get flagged as being against Youtube standards.

But Disney is not just trying to market a strong female lead. Disney is trying to market an entire political philosophy. They want to see if hardline progressivism (the kind that elected AOC and Omar, etc) ITSELF works as a marketing strategy, just like you mentioned with Gillette and Nike.
This is ENTIRELY baseless conjecture. Source the shit out of this or stop it.

I have watched half a dozen videos alone, just by RJ of "The Fourth Age" channel, where he directly quotes Women of Marvel podcasts hosted by Sana Amanat and her cohorts. Brie Larson or Kevin Feige's comments regarding the MCU are scattershot compared to the ideology that the core Marvel Comics team spouts. Marvel is owned by Disney.

Here is a quote from one of those videos painstakingly transcribed:

"You have those three creators [of Captain Marvel]..Steven Wacker, Kelly Sue DeConnick and Sana Amanat...Each of these three creators have stated in their own way that comics, and comic book characters specifically, are there to push an agenda, to sell ideas to people. Steven Wacker talks about it in his description of the character, when he talks about Captain Marvel not just being Earth's mightiest female hero, but Earth's mightiest hero. You can see that he has a female agenda with this character....Kelly Sue DeConnick is saying that if you have a platform like this and don't use it to say something progressive, then you are wasting your opportunity to actually create something. You have Sana Amanat saying that characters are quite specifically for pushing ideas..The whole point now is that characters are simply ideas in a mask. And this mask is not their superhero mask. These are simply ideas, or agenda, wrapped in the mask of being a character itself. And so these characters are not representations of human beings - they are representations of ideas...the storytelling becomes a lesson for you to learn, and those characters are ideas that you are supposed to learn through reading this book or watching this movie. And when it becomes work for the audience, that is the exact opposite of what the audience came there for, which is escapism."

Because Arnold Schwarzenegger and Aquaman are spouting catchphrases that are politically neutral and entertaining to everyone, men and women. They're not being 'sexist', and they're not doing anything at the expense of women.

This is nonsense... I'm saying that EVERYTHING anyone says about women or other races in the media today is down voted as 'virtue signaling' by default and the rest is conveniently considered normal by those same detractors.
Did anyone ever stop to think that today's 'Exhausting' Feminism is only because certain elements wont stop posting anti-feminist youtube rants?

Not "everything"..you're doing the same thing you just accused me of, above. Except the net you are trying to cast is way wider! Something is only 'virtue signaling' when someone says something within in the context of demonstrating how closely one adheres to a 'correct' ideology in the earshot of others who harbor the same ideology (that's what the definition of the term actually means). If they're not doing exactly that, it's not virtue signaling.
I mean, a lot of times people are accused of 'dog whistling' too, and that's not necessarily true either.

And no, today's 'exhausting' form of third-wave intersectionalism is not *only* (or really at all) because of Youtube rants. The form of feminism is "exhauasting" because it is intersectionalist. Second-wave feminism isn't all-encompassing - it just deals with the equal rights for women. It doesn't deal with everything in the world, just that one topic. You can be excited about the topic of equal rights for women and anything related to it, but you can also take a load off and turn off your fervor for it - not every single moment has to be a battle, at least not for the second wave. Men are also seen generally as allies in the fight for equal rights, not the enemy. To be a male second-wave feminist is fairly straight-forward - you simply support the
efforts of women around you to succeed and be equal. Women have been the supporters of men for thousands of years, now it is time for you to support them going forward. That's what second-wave feminism means. There is no hierarchy in this philosophy - everyone is either for equal rights or they aren't (in which case they are misogynist).

For the third-wave and onward, it's different. The third wave began in the 80s with academic writers like bell hooks. When I was in college in the 80s I had to read some texts in my Cultural Discourse class that were proto-third wave. Its first pop-culture manifestation was the Riot Grrl movement in the early 90s. I was there when that happened, and I worked directly with a bunch of Riot Grrl bands and women who made Riot Grrl 'zines, so I have a longtime familiarity with the subject. MTV, Rolling Stone and Sassy magazine tried to inculcate suburban girls with the Riot Grrl political agenda, but it failed, and the movement became a cultural footnote. But Current Year intersectionalism is a bit more virulent and fanatical than even the days of Riot Grrl (which you can hear when Crazy Jane walks down the street in Doom Patrol to the strains of Bikini Kill's "Rebel Girl").

In the world of intersectionalism, every single little thing is political. To quote Antifa (who are Communist and Marxist..and intersectionalism is definitely also in that vein), "the aesthetic is political." So, there is no off button. The whole concept of "intersectionalism" is that the oppression of women "intersects" with a dozen other oppressions, which are arranged in a very complex hierarchy known as the Progressive Stack (or derogatorily as the Oppression Olympics). This means that an intersectional feminist can never turn their anger off, because somewhere someone in the world is being oppressed for something, and they are always obligated to feel empathy and anger about that issue. So that's why it's so exhausting. Also it's hypocritical..because feeling empathy all the time about all oppressions is actually impossible. So some types of oppression (like for example what China does to its minorities, or how there are 500,000 slaves in Mauritania, or the terrible drug violence in Honduras, or sex trafficking in Southeast Asia) get swept under the table or ignored in favor of other celebrity oppressions (like, say, the Palestinians or the immigrant caravan). So intersectionalism is not really 'intersectional' at all...it's just far-leftism with considerable amounts of selective moral blindness.

The ideology of Sana Amanat and her cohorts at Marvel is intersectionalism. Sana Amanat has tweeted things like "Brown will rule. Muhahahaha." Brie Larson has said that she wants Captain Marvel to be 'a meditation on intersectional feminism' and that is why she requested not just a woman, but a 'disabled woman of color' to be her interviewer in Marie Claire. Not that it wasn't a nice thing to do for that reporter - it was very nice - but that it shows exactly how important the agenda is within the storytelling apparatus at Marvel - from 2014 onward in the comics, and from 2019 going forward in the MCU as it enters Phase 4 (which Kevin Feige explicitly states).

So modern feminism is 'exhausting' because intersectionalism requires one to be alert and politically correct for one's entire life, and never let your guard down (it sounds a lot like living in North Korea but with better food). And the Youtube ranters you mention aren't actually against 'feminism' as a whole. They are against this current extreme form of intersectionalism which makes any sort of 'escapism' impossible. And when your love of pop culture, your membership in the fandom, is based on a love of escapism, that is a major problem.

[Femina]

I've watched dozens of videos about this subject, and none of them is created by a misogynist. None of them. Most of them specifically mention how much they like Alita and Wonder Woman.

*Sigh* THIS is the only thing out of all of that I have anything to say to. Those people who are saying they don't like Captain Marvel, but 'hey it's not sexism because I love Alita and Wonder Woman!' are by the very nature of saying that doing what you yourself would call 'Virtue Signaling'.

You can make all your sideways arguments about why its different in this case vs the case you presume to be more politically motivated (ignoring that in this case it is absolutely politically motivated as well) You've just written your belief in this channel's authenticity because they 'virtue signaled' that they approve of Alita and Wonder Woman.

Do YOU now see why 'Virtue Signaling' as a term is worthless? It's just people indicating their views. Who fucking cares if they are 'signaling something' I've got shocking news. When you open your mouth to talk YOUR SIGNALING! With sound waves.

[DrDominator9]

I have locked this topic for getting too toxic.