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Is it just me or is it the fact that the majority of superheroine videos- or even dare I say a lot of custom requests - are just 'fight videos'? What I mean is that an villain spends 20-30 minutes just punching and beating on a female superheroine. It doesn't seem to serve a storyline at all. After about 50 of these 'fight' vids, already available by multiple producers, isn't anyone bored with it? Comes across as just wanting to beat women up to me.
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I agree. I much prefer videos with a bit of plot and psychological dilemmas and sexual stimulation for the heroine. Always been more into the traps, bondage, and fondling more than the beating of the heroine.
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There are far more than fifty, at this point. I wrote a blog a long time ago about the distinction between "pain" and "peril," and how most superheroine film producers seem to be very good at bringing the "pain" (beatdowns, crotch punches, explosive sound effects, rape, etc), often at the expense of "peril" (bondage, traps, unmaskings, a certain indefinable kinkiness). I miss the "peril" stuff, which I think is harder to do, but much hotter when you pull it off. But the fact that "beatdown" films are still made in such quantity means that I'm probably in the minority here. And that's okay! If people are buying beatdowns (and paying for them, via custom orders), then you've got to play that game. I'll just stick to old "Wonder Woman" episodes...
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That is due to filler and the fact you can't just maul the girl for 30 minutes. That's why you see the Giga movies broken into segments. Chat - fight outside - gab - fight inside - sex. If I hire a model she's not going to put up with me dry humping her for 30 minutes or grabbing breasts. Also the reason sex in porn movies is WAM BAM and there's no cuddling, kissing etc. It may also be a rate issue. A model may charge less for 20 minutes of pretend fight and 3 minutes of topless vs 30 minutes of topless.
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If you are looking for a great story line with plenty of dialogue, check out Damien Wagner. He has a patreon account, he has a blog and he has an Instagram page.
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I hate all that crotch/belly punching. It goes on and on and on..like someone has said it is a filler but it is not enjoyable at all to me. I do like the fighting and I have a knockout fetish. I love the carry scenes and just plain showing/looking at the unconscious heroine from different angles while she lies knocked out. And watching on screen tying while the heroine is unconscious. There are lots of ways and things to do as a filler besides all that gut and belly punches which is totally unenjoyable to me.
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The videos with long beatdowns leave me cold. The fight choreography is seldom decent enough to look impressive. Which would be fine if the producer went for a campy tone. However, most of these videos tend to take themselves way too seriously. So I'm left sat there watching a really poor quality and po-faced fight scene which isn't even redeemed by some amusing writing/performances.

It may be fine for someone who has specific fetishes for repeated low blows, wedgies or whatever. It's just not my cup of tea, though.
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All good points above....I never cared for the beatdown thing and it got old really quick for me. It's cheap filler and nothing more. Some producers, and we can make our own guesses, have become stale and rely on this as part of their formula and it's become predictable to the point of boredom. If you've seen one of these, you've seen them all.
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I agree there are too many long beatdpwn with the gerneric ski masked thug or woth the same plot line just different actress. But these producers make money

But there is enough without that or better fights with plots to satisfy the customer
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Some guys clearly like the belly punching (it does nothing for me) The NovaWoman vids that Paris Kennedy did were customs for a guy who clearly did - great cast in them (PK, JC Marie, Randy Moore, Karlie Montana, Kymberly Jane, Akira Lane) good locations, even an outdoor fight, good props (a bottle is smashed over one gals head) , decent special effects , well lit, well shot, good costumes- but the first one had 122 belly punches! (I didnt count them I think it was in the Heroine Movies review) Clearly that was the guys thing. Sometimes its gonna be there because the guy WANTS it there.
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Zee wrote:
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If you are looking for a great story line with plenty of dialogue, check out Damien Wagner. He has a patreon account, he has a blog and he has an Instagram page.
I checked out Damien Wagner's patreon page and as far as I can tell, he doesn't do superheroine movies, but Lara Croft-like movies, which I have nothing against but I prefer the comic style costumed heroines. If he did more WW or EW and DG type characters I'd be more than happy to support him as he seems to get the peril and plot thing. Much success to him in any case
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I guess I'll play Devil's Advocate here. Fight scenes are the main attraction for me. In general I prefer scenarios where there is good back and forth fighting rather than one-sided beatdowns, but I mostly buy vids for the fight scenes. I think there is a case to be made for how similar many releases are. That likely boils down to the list of micro-fetishes that are so rampant in our little world. Producers want their vids to have broad appeal so they will sell well, which means working in as many of the demanded M-F's as possible. Front and rear bear hugs, AOH, knockouts, belly punching, back breakers, low blows, etc. It can lead to formulaic vids. Market forces dictate the content. Now RYE and TBFE are just making customs, which lets them concentrate on a shorter list of demands. For me that means fewer buys, but maybe I like the ones I do pick up more because they are more tailored to me.

I wish I had the cash to commission a custom. There are a surprising number of things I'd love to see that never show up in superheroine vids.
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Some producers can only do fights. Like Bluestone for example or SHG Media. They get models who won't do topless or nude or fake sex scenes and so the only thing they can do is have them fight.
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I raised the possibility of Damien Wagner because I got tired watching beat down and fight videos, ad nauseam. I was looking for something different when I stumbled across Damien. True, no super heroines,, but heroines yes. He does not do porno stuff either. What got me hooked, was a two part story about an ambitious business executive who has to resort to kidnapping and torturing to force the owner of an upscale hotel to sell her property at a ridiculously low price. Tortures include water boarding, use of a knife, belly and face blows, electrocuting, with lots of AOH.
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Funny how things go round and round isn't it? The earliest superheroine fetish vids were basically all sex, little different from the average porno save that she happened to be wearing a costume. Later vids were all peril '60's batman' esque sex dungeon traps they simply couldn't escape from. For a time people were BLOWN AWAY by videos that were all about a fight and fight choreography... and now that seems to have gone cold.

It would be nice to see a superheroine peril flick with a huge sprawling plot, moving cogs, co-stars, multiple fight scenes that are as emotionally vested as they are physically... but whose got the multi-millions of dollars for that? The fact is, we've got the videos we've got, and if we don't want them to just devolve into 'villain stuffs his penis in her vagina' then we get fights.

I'll agree the fights ought to evolve into peril... but come on, we don't have the most accepting of 'variation' community here. Every video receives from dozens of customers either sublime praise, or 'no thighs... pass' or 'no boobs... pass' or 'no AoH bondage... pass' So videos get made that cater to individuals fetishes as opposed to the 'group fetish' because there really ISN'T a group fetish to cater to... which means every video a few people are going to LOVE and the rest are going to 'feel cold'
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I don't mind a good beatdown as long as it doesn't last very long. I would vastly prefer several short fights which the heroine loses, to a very long-winded, "when-will-this-be-over" type of fight.
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I love fights only when the heroine is beaten by a female villainess. But without a good storyline they are boring.
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I love intergender fight but I agree that it must have a decent storyline to back it up. I prefer to see groping in the midst of fighting.
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I agree. If there is just continuing punching, kicking and no kind of a defensive adaptation to the fight, then it really serves no purpose other than to create a fantasy where the heroine if dominated without reprieve to the villain dishing out the beating. That's one of many reasons I always say that the opponents need to be on a 'level-playing field' when it comes to superheroine related fight stories.

Take Logan Cross, the guy who created the kick-ass 'Heroine Kombat' series for example. He always gives a purpose behind the fight when he creates his heroine fight stories. The best part is, if the characters are 'supers' he lets them unleash all hell on each other with their superpowers and that is what gets me excited and why I enjoy his stories. Plus, it allows the sfx editors to edit in some really cool content into the fight to give it more 'umph!' in the battle.

Also, the guy who created Hawk Heroines always had some good choreography done in most of his battles. It kinda helped because certain fetish models were into wrestling, kickboxing and m.m.a. related material at that time particularly Nicole Oring, Lucky O'Shea and a few others.
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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'Heroine Kombat' series
I find this series extremely boring and the fight scenes are awfully slow.
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ywf wrote:
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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'Heroine Kombat' series
I find this series extremely boring and the fight scenes are awfully slow.
Granted the fights do drag out, but if you looks at some of Logan's other work, you'll find that the stories are very creative and you get to see what the 'Supers' are fighting for.
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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ywf wrote:
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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'Heroine Kombat' series
I find this series extremely boring and the fight scenes are awfully slow.
Granted the fights do drag out, but if you looks at some of Logan's other work, you'll find that the stories are very creative and you get to see what the 'Supers' are fighting for.
Told you I find them uninteresting, worst dollars I have spent.
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Heroine Kombat was more a video game fight than story although some had some nice dialogue. But they were all one character wins, the other character wins, one character wins and kills other. So no different plot.
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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I agree. If there is just continuing punching, kicking and no kind of a defensive adaptation to the fight, then it really serves no purpose other than to create a fantasy where the heroine if dominated without reprieve to the villain dishing out the beating. That's one of many reasons I always say that the opponents need to be on a 'level-playing field' when it comes to superheroine related fight stories.

Take Logan Cross, the guy who created the kick-ass 'Heroine Kombat' series for example. He always gives a purpose behind the fight when he creates his heroine fight stories. The best part is, if the characters are 'supers' he lets them unleash all hell on each other with their superpowers and that is what gets me excited and why I enjoy his stories. Plus, it allows the sfx editors to edit in some really cool content into the fight to give it more 'umph!' in the battle.

Also, the guy who created Hawk Heroines always had some good choreography done in most of his battles. It kinda helped because certain fetish models were into wrestling, kickboxing and m.m.a. related material at that time particularly Nicole Oring, Lucky O'Shea and a few others.


I actually liked Logan's Heroine Kombat series and was watching some this morning; the ones with Moonstar, Lady Wonder, and Firestar are some of my favorites. I get that there is still a lot of hate for the man, but like I said before--like him or hate him, he put out a pretty good product, in my opinion. I like his variety of superheroines and costumes, and while I'm not one for beatdowns or fights in general, I find his Kombat series fun and entertaining, and having hot models in sexy costumes adds to the appeal for me. Some of their heroines use their super 'powers' from time to time and it's refreshing to see some decent special effects thrown in for the fight. At least with his Heroine Kombat series, you know exactly what you're paying for and what you're about to watch. I guess the title does give it away. I did buy his entire catalog over the summer and I'm STILL going through all the material, and for me, it's money well spent. It's a pretty good variety of movies and models. To each their own, but I have no regrets buying his catalog
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ywf wrote:
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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ywf wrote:
6 years ago
Doctor Outcome wrote:
6 years ago
'Heroine Kombat' series
I find this series extremely boring and the fight scenes are awfully slow.
Granted the fights do drag out, but if you looks at some of Logan's other work, you'll find that the stories are very creative and you get to see what the 'Supers' are fighting for.
Told you I find them uninteresting, worst dollars I have spent.
I respect that. I feel what you're saying ywf.
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avenger wrote:
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Doctor Outcome wrote:
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I agree. If there is just continuing punching, kicking and no kind of a defensive adaptation to the fight, then it really serves no purpose other than to create a fantasy where the heroine if dominated without reprieve to the villain dishing out the beating. That's one of many reasons I always say that the opponents need to be on a 'level-playing field' when it comes to superheroine related fight stories.

Take Logan Cross, the guy who created the kick-ass 'Heroine Kombat' series for example. He always gives a purpose behind the fight when he creates his heroine fight stories. The best part is, if the characters are 'supers' he lets them unleash all hell on each other with their superpowers and that is what gets me excited and why I enjoy his stories. Plus, it allows the sfx editors to edit in some really cool content into the fight to give it more 'umph!' in the battle.

Also, the guy who created Hawk Heroines always had some good choreography done in most of his battles. It kinda helped because certain fetish models were into wrestling, kickboxing and m.m.a. related material at that time particularly Nicole Oring, Lucky O'Shea and a few others.


I actually liked Logan's Heroine Kombat series and was watching some this morning; the ones with Moonstar, Lady Wonder, and Firestar are some of my favorites. I get that there is still a lot of hate for the man, but like I said before--like him or hate him, he put out a pretty good product, in my opinion. I like his variety of superheroines and costumes, and while I'm not one for beatdowns or fights in general, I find his Kombat series fun and entertaining, and having hot models in sexy costumes adds to the appeal for me. Some of their heroines use their super 'powers' from time to time and it's refreshing to see some decent special effects thrown in for the fight. At least with his Heroine Kombat series, you know exactly what you're paying for and what you're about to watch. I guess the title does give it away. I did buy his entire catalog over the summer and I'm STILL going through all the material, and for me, it's money well spent. It's a pretty good variety of movies and models. To each their own, but I have no regrets buying his catalog
A fan after my own heart. His S vs. E series is pretty kick ass too. I need to see if I can purchase some more of his content for the future when I build up some more dough. My favorite combatants were the Soviet, Tempest, Gold Rush, Skyfox and Trinity (Tiffany Chase was always my favorite to watch in the series).

Yeah, Logan did get his fair share of grief over the years but you can't deny that the man gave us good product. Plus, he's one of many producers who played with the 'outcome' of the battles, rather than just always creating 'the bad guys win' ending for some of his fight battles. It kept you on the edge of your seat wanting more and itching to see who would come out on top.

When you have a series that plays with the outcome, it gives it a little more sweetness to go with the flavor. And agreed, the sfx in this series was top notch, truly impressive work from Logan. :thumbup:
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Some of you should check out Ultraheroix. While they don't have the big budgets some producers have, they have lovely heroines in original costumes and the vids focus quite a bit on peril and traps and nice long unconscious shots of the heroines. The fights are also pretty good and mix things up a bit w/o going overboard.
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Some of you should check out Ultraheroix. While they don't have the big budgets some producers have, they have lovely heroines in original costumes and the vids focus quite a bit on peril and traps and nice long unconscious shots of the heroines. The fights are also pretty good and mix things up a bit w/o going overboard.

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I guess I'll play Devil's Advocate here. Fight scenes are the main attraction for me. In general I prefer scenarios where there is good back and forth fighting rather than one-sided beatdowns, but I mostly buy vids for the fight scenes. I think there is a case to be made for how similar many releases are. That likely boils down to the list of micro-fetishes that are so rampant in our little world. Producers want their vids to have broad appeal so they will sell well, which means working in as many of the demanded M-F's as possible. Front and rear bear hugs, AOH, knockouts, belly punching, back breakers, low blows, etc. It can lead to formulaic vids. Market forces dictate the content. Now RYE and TBFE are just making customs, which lets them concentrate on a shorter list of demands. For me that means fewer buys, but maybe I like the ones I do pick up more because they are more tailored to me.

I wish I had the cash to commission a custom. There are a surprising number of things I'd love to see that never show up in superheroine vids.
I think for some people here (most, I'm guessing), the superheroine genre itself is the overriding interest, and then it's a matter of what you most like to see within that space. But for some people, the overriding interest may be something else (some micro-fetish, as they've been called here) that doesn't inherently have anything to do with superheroines, but rather the superheroine genre is just one of many places in which the overriding interest can be played out. These people may care little if at all about the amount of variety in the video, or about all of the classic peril elements that others here may find essential to the superheroine genre--they are just looking for an interesting and suitable context in which to see their micro-fetish played out. When these people commission videos, it's likely to have a heavy emphasis on their main micro-fetish interest, and it may not be designed to showcase all that the heroine peril arena has to offer.

I see that belly punching is getting no love in this thread, and I can totally see why among an audience mostly invested in the heroine peril angles. But when I have commissioned videos from some of the producers here, I was not so much commissioning a heroine peril video as I was commissioning a belly punching video involving superheroines. I had one producer actually ask me once why I wanted to have superheroines in the video since the focus of my script wasn't really about them being superheroines. I do have a rationale for that and I gave it to the producer, but regardless of what makes the combo of superheroines plus belly punching work so well for me, I am well aware that the resulting video was primarily a punching video and much less a heroine peril video. So it's understandable that non-BP fans would be left cold, indeed. But that same producer told me that the video sold very well, so presumably there are other BP fans out there who are fine with the punching-superheroine crossover and are not left so cold. In this case, I guess the producer is counting on marketing the video directly to the relevant micro-fetish audience rather than relying only on heroine peril fans to pick up the video, since so many heroine peril fans will be bored/cold/irritated by the heavy emphasis on punching, whereas punching fans might not mind the heroine costumes and characters and the slight peril elements at all and would be perfectly happy to see a punching video that happens to involve superheroines. I'm sure the same must play out for other micro-fetishists who commission videos that happen to involve superheroines because the crossover works for them for whatever reason, even though their main interest is the micro-fetish itself and not the heroine peril piece.

So I guess I think it's inevitable that primary heroine peril fans are going to have to roll their eyes (or groan or whatever) and pass on a lot of the videos commissioned by micro-fetishists that aren't even trying to be classic peril videos. Even though there may be superheroines in the videos, the videos are really made for other audiences.
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Personally unless its a chloro or bondage centric video, I think a fight scene is incredibly pivotal for a super-heroine vid. Why? Because we can see that the heroine is formidable/experienced and enjoy the moment that all goes out the window and the tables turn. Though some videos do drag it on a bit to long i think that anything that builds up the heroine as formidable only enhances the payoff in their defeat.
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Bert wrote:
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I wish I had the cash to commission a custom. There are a surprising number of things I'd love to see that never show up in superheroine vids.
Like what???
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Many things. For one, not many videos have dialog during fight scenes. I'd like to see a confident heroine making cocky statements early in a fight, bad puns and chastising the baddie (or baddies). Then, when things start to go badly for the heroine the baddies should start to throw her own words back at her as the heroine wavers. She tries to keep up some banter but shows uncertainty. As the situation grows more dire, the heroine starts to get desperate and says things like "No, don't...", "You wouldn't...", "Please, not again...", "No, please stop..."

Couldn't we see some variety in the fight choreography? The procession of requested moves gets so predictable. I think it's hot when a heroine straddles a prone enemy and seems to be in control, but he shocks her by delivering some painful shots while on the bottom. Then reverse the situation and show the heroine struggle to do the same. There's an amazing scene from The Avengers where Emma Peel is straddling a thug in a sand trap on a golf course. The guy reaches up a grabs a big handful of her hair and tries to pull her off him. She resists at first, but he is too strong and manages to pull her off. He holds her helplessly down by the hair, and then pulls her back to her feet by the hair. It's an amazing scene and I've never seen it duplicated in a peril vid.

Show a thug repeatedly backhanding a kneeling victim who is begging for him to stop when the heroine arrives. The heroine saves the victim and tells her to escape, but shows a bit of disapproval about the victim not fighting back. Later, when the heroine is in trouble with the thug, put her in the same position as the initial victim and have her plead for the backhands to stop.

There's lots more, but who's still reading at this point? I'd love to write a script or two, but I could never afford a custom.
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You make a lot of great points about fights, Bert! I guess my problem is not the fights themselves, but how easily they become a series of cliches. The first couple of backbreakers I saw in superheroine videos were very exciting. But now, every fight has to have one: the impact has lessened. If you can film a fight more like a story, the way you suggest, the possibilities are endless.



The Emma Peel fight you mention is a short but great example of how to really do a fight scene. Mrs. Peel is actually in control for the better part of the tussle, kicking her foe into the sandtrap several times. But once they get to wrestling, the man is able to find an advantage. He cheats, basically, by pulling Mrs. Peel's hair, and then overpowers her with his strength. I'll take that moment of helplessness, that moment of Emma at the bottom of a sand-pit, struggling in the grip of a thug, over twenty belly punches in a row, any day.
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