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If you've been on this forum for any length of time, you've probably seen posts from Ashley Graham soliciting for custom videos. DO NOT SEND HER ANY MONEY. At least until you've read my story...



At the time I ordered my custom from Ashley Graham, she was an active participant on this forum. She would chime in and openly criticize other performers and studios who provided bad customer service or rip people off.

She frequently posted pictures of models she would have available in the immediate future and solicit custom video orders with those models.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Ashley or her work, but she posted that she was going to have a new model available and I liked her look, so I figured I'd give Ashley and her studio a test run.

Her initial asking price for a 45 minute video was a bit high ($600) and so I declined, but she came back to me and offered to make my video for $450, which is pretty much standard $10/minute. So I agreed.

Weeks passed and I never received my video. I e-mailed Ashley for an update and she said it was delayed and it would be ready in two more weeks.

Another two weeks went by and I once again followed up and I was told once again there was another delay. This happened repeatedly for almost 2 months.

Finally, I was fed up and asked for a refund. Ashley told me that she paid the model in advance an apparently, the model ripped her off and absconded with her (Ashley's) money. But she offered to do my video with another model or send me a refund.

I asked for a refund. Ashley never replied.

After a few weeks, I decided to contact Ashley from another e-mail address, just in case there was a problem and a spam filter was blocking my e-mails or something.

Much to my surprise Ashley replied and once again offered to make my video with another performer. Once again, I asked for a refund. Once again, I never received it or any reply from Ashley. That was 6 months ago.

Also at that time, I noticed Ashley was conspicuously absent from the forums. Being the trusting soul that I am, I began to wonder if maybe something happened to her. Maybe she was in an accident or something. So I waited. And waited. And waited.

I was contacted by another member of the forum asking if I knew anything about Ashley or how my custom was coming along. Apparently, she took his money and did almost exactly the same thing to him.

Recently, yet another person on the forum began asking questions about Ashley and her disappearance. But I found out today that this third party actually got a reply from Ashley just moments ago. So apparently, she's alive and well and living on my money and the money of the other people she's been defrauding.

My advice - do not send any money to Ashley Graham.
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I wasn't going to discuss Ashley openly on the forum after I was fortunate enough to get my money back via PayPal's disputes process. However, seeing as she appears to have done this to at least four members of this forum, I can confirm that your experience of poor (virtually non-existent) service from Ashley tallies with my own.
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As someone who has recommended Ms. Graham in the past, I cannot in good conscience maintain that recommendation.

In the past she has come through and it was a pleasure doing business with her. However, I've been waiting for a couple of videos since September of last year without anything. I'm not entirely giving up hope, but I won't be ordering any more commissions from her.
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For context, here's the thread in which Ashley's other instances of non-delivery are discussed: http://superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=99052

For hypocrisy, here's a thread in which Ashley condemns another producer for doing the exact same thing: http://superheroineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21491
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I also have recommended her and had good service in the past. Not so anymore. Combined I wonder how much she has stolen from us?
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Sorry for all you guys. Treating honest, trusting people like that just sucks. Everyone can have personal issues or problems that can affect their work but to consistently lie or ignore people is just such a crappy way to behave.
It saddens me to see it and especially so from an experienced performer.
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Inclined to agree, there's no excuse for that long of a delay. I like to think the best of people but when money has changed hands you need to be professional.

It's a shame that it's still a minefield getting customs done. So many places specialise in it now, you'd think you'd be on solid ground.

Could be helpful, just between us customer types, to come up with some sort of list of producers we can recommend.
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People like her disgust me. She gives a made reputation to all producers, who offer custom videos. She's not only hurting her customers. She's also hurting the industry.
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man that is rough that is some shady shit
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Sorry to hear about all of these ordeals.

Having dealt with enough different custom providers now, my personal conclusion is that probably half of the people in the industry are con artists, 40% are just flat out lazy or don't give a shit about custom service/communication, and the remaining 10% are the good-intentioned. Note, good-"intentioned" doesn't necessarily mean good overall.

Lesson here is, don't be so hasty to get customs made. Even quality producers/models will lay an egg once in awhile.

BTW, $600 for 45 minutes actually isn't too unreasonable from the quotes I've received, but $600 for no video at all is flat out robbery.
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So acording to twitter she has been alerted to our thread. Wonder what horse manure she will post here? If she even would grace us with her presence.
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Well, unless Ashley goes back and deletes her tweets over the last year, it is clear to see that she has been soliciting further custom work with no indication that she is unable to fulfill orders.
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This sort of thing reflects badly on all the genuine, considerate and conscientious performers and producers out there and makes people think twice about buying their wares, which in turn is bad for the industry. Id like to think that all outstanding monies will be refunded by Ms. Graham, but I doubt that will happen; black listing her and banning her from forums like this will hopefully prevent her from getting more people to part with their hard won shekels.
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Ashley could earn herself a lot of goodwill in the community if she just came out, apologized and issued refunds to those who are still owed money. Two of the four customers on here were previously satisfied customers who would probably have come back and recommended Ashley to others. For the sake of a few hundred dollars, it seems insane to alienate such people who would likely have brought in thousands of dollars in the long term.

Most of the long-standing producers on here have had personal issues at one time or another. The fans and customers are not monsters and we're generally pretty understanding while communications remain open. But when a producer essentially puts certain paying customers on "ignore" for months on end, people start to panic about losing large sums of money.
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it2007 wrote:Sorry to hear about all of these ordeals.

Having dealt with enough different custom providers now, my personal conclusion is that probably half of the people in the industry are con artists, 40% are just flat out lazy or don't give a shit about custom service/communication, and the remaining 10% are the good-intentioned. Note, good-"intentioned" doesn't necessarily mean good overall.

Lesson here is, don't be so hasty to get customs made. Even quality producers/models will lay an egg once in awhile.

BTW, $600 for 45 minutes actually isn't too unreasonable from the quotes I've received, but $600 for no video at all is flat out robbery.
Sorry to hear that, sounds like you've had some really bad luck.

The costs can vary by a huge amount in my experience. Producers who can handle extra expenses like video editing and camera work in-house seem to work out cheaper.
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Really sorry to hear about all this bad treatment of new and even worse returning customers.

Obviously I don't know the details but one little ray of hope I might have is that I waited for over a year for one of my customs but the producer did keep in touch and give what I believed to be genuine reasons for the delays.

Makes me feel very lucky I my custom experiences and must admit I do like the relative safety that paypal and a CC offer.

Hope you guys get some repayment at som epoint but damn this is a warning to us all.
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Dogfish wrote:Inclined to agree, there's no excuse for that long of a delay. I like to think the best of people but when money has changed hands you need to be professional.

It's a shame that it's still a minefield getting customs done. So many places specialise in it now, you'd think you'd be on solid ground.

Could be helpful, just between us customer types, to come up with some sort of list of producers we can recommend.
Members should report producers who clearly rip them off to the Forum to alert others who might consider using them for customs. It is the best way to shut down dishonest operations like the one described in this thread. Thank you Tie n Teez.
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I just did a quick check even her website url is up for grabs again
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it2007 wrote: Having dealt with enough different custom providers now, my personal conclusion is that probably half of the people in the industry are con artists, 40% are just flat out lazy or don't give a shit about custom service/communication, and the remaining 10% are the good-intentioned. Note, good-"intentioned" doesn't necessarily mean good overall.
I have to disagree with you there. I've had good experiences with the vast majority of producers - at least as far as honest business practices go. I've ordered a LOT of customs. Not sure exactly how many, but at a rough guess I would say 20-30. And I've been actively ripped off 3 times. So that's maybe 10%-15%, nowhere near 40% as you suggest. I've also had some producers send me really bad videos and one producer who took my money and then FORGOT about my video, but she eventually refunded my money, so I can't feel too bad about that one.
it2007 wrote: BTW, $600 for 45 minutes actually isn't too unreasonable from the quotes I've received, but $600 for no video at all is flat out robbery.
It depends a lot on the content of the video, number of performers, props, costumes, etc. But in this particular case, it was one performer in a PoV video with no props or special costumes. These typically go for about $10/ minute in my experience. I have paid more for really great producers, but this was a trial run for me and I wasn't willing to go that high with Ashley. Turns out it was a wise move.
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Dogfish wrote:Inclined to agree, there's no excuse for that long of a delay. I like to think the best of people but when money has changed hands you need to be professional.

It's a shame that it's still a minefield getting customs done. So many places specialise in it now, you'd think you'd be on solid ground.

Could be helpful, just between us customer types, to come up with some sort of list of producers we can recommend.
There are several threads on this forum with recommendations for reliable producers. If you are ever in doubt, post a thread and ask for recommendations. Chances are, someone here has ordered a custom and can tell you how it went.

Personally, I can't recommend Cali Logan enough. She's done two customs for me and she is awesome. She's extremely responsive and communicative via e-mail, and she makes a serious effort to get everything in the video exactly right. I just ordered a sequel to "Cyberkat vs. Sparrow". :)
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Quick update... Jewel Evans apparently contacting Ashley via twitter and specifically cited this forum. Ashley claims she is "already dealing with them."

Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but she hasn't contacted me via either of the 2 e-mail addresses I gave her, nor PM on this forum, and meanwhile she is still actively soliciting for more customs. You would think if she wants to actually address the problems and restore her reputation, the obvious thing to do would be to post on here, apologize to all those she has ripped off, and pay back the money she owes. It would take all of about 5 minutes.

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What a shame, too. I bought one of her movies last year and liked it. Never again. At this point I'd be very surprised if anyone gets a refund, much less an apology. Given that she's had plenty of time to explain and make things right, I'd say she has no intention of coming clean. She's toast. No one is going to do business with her and her name is dirt in the genre. Let's see who's going to rationalize this and defend her.
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avenger wrote: Let's see who's going to rationalize this and defend her.
Rommel couldn't defend the position that she's adopted.
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Richpartist wrote:I say we gang up and beat the shit out of her :yes: :laugh:

Violence is never the answer. Well unless the question is 'A History of-' film starring Viggo Mortensen, 8 letters beginning with 'V'

Then it is. :D
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.......just a joke............. :rolleyes:
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We could start a movement. #giveusourmoneyashley.
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@#ashleysucksandnotinthegoodway

and I disagree, there are no problems in the world that cannot be solved with a measured and leveled application of physical violence

but I don't hit women, even shady a$$ thieves and frauds who know they are just at the end of their 15min and too lame and lazy to live up to their word,,,i just cosign with the poor victims of those succubus's and spread the word about them as being garbage


hahaha Rommel, leave it to the brit to add a Nazi reference in superheroineville, its like having dennis miller talk football,,,,oh wait,,

just sayn,
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In fairness, Rommel was a German, NOT a Nazi.
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Richpartist wrote:I say we gang up and beat the shit out of her :yes: :laugh:
Duuuuuude. That's not good, even as a joke.
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Yeah, I tend to agree. Threats of violence are NOT okay, and might even be criminal when you do it over the internet.

Anyway, I don't want to hurt anyone, I just want my money back. :)
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Besides, not to put TOO fine a point on it, but she could probably beat the high holy crap out of several geeks all at the same time. She's vicious and is not afraid to break a guy's nose. I've seen her do it. Several times.
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She's still a thief and fraud, regardless of her fighting prowess....I don't really think the people she ripped off care whether or not she can break noses.
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tallyho wrote:In fairness, Rommel was a German, NOT a Nazi.
:D
like Hitler was an Austrian, not a Nazi :ras:
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tallyho wrote:In fairness, Rommel was a German, NOT a Nazi.
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like Hitler was an Austrian, not a Nazi :ras:
(Rommel was never a party member and actively despised what they stood for to the extent that when the propaganda machine portrayed him as a lifelong party member and rewrote his real biography,he made them retract it. And he disobeyed orders to execute captured Commandoes, instead treating them as POWs. Still didn't do anything to stop Hitler until they knew the war was lost though, so not quite the noble warrior he's portrayed as.)

I hope Shake, that it wasn't the SAME guys nose that she busted several times?
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I take it those who are out of pocket haven't been contacted by her? I'm interested in what she might say so please any of you who do hear, post it up if possible.Perhaps when she said that she was dealing with it a few days back that meant you are gonna get a knock on the door and a busted nose...
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It WAS a joke!!!!!!!!..................wait a minute the police are at my door................................... :lol:
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Richpartist wrote:It WAS a joke!!!!!!!!..................wait a minute the police are at my door................................... :lol:
Yeah it's a joke, and I don't want to get into a long argument over it, and I don't want to be that guy who tells people off for jokes or decrees what may and may not be fair and just subjects for comedy. But women in her line of work, regardless of the strength of their work ethic, should be treated with respect, because they have to deal with plenty of shit* just for doing what they do.


*And not just in scat movies.
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OK I have some info. I called Ashley a few days ago basically to let her know that she could use my studio and I would help her finish her customs. Well the problem is that she is no longer in L.A. and is in transition. She tells me that the videos are completed but she is unable to upload due to her staying at hotels and friends homes. She is travelling and shooting at the moment.

Now, I'm not getting involved here, But since I saw what was going on and I thought she was local AND I've known her for some time I thought I would reach out.

I told her I would pass along the info. I hope you all get resolution soon.
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shouldnt SHE be the one to let these guys know that rather than lie to you about it, sorry but she lied to you to not burn a bridge,,i dont even know this person and i know that story doesnt make sense,,,up loading vids on a hotel wifi is probably close to impossible but hotmail works at the hilton,,phones work at the marriot we still have mail even,,,even and answer you dont want to hear beats no answer at all and it sounds like she took the money and bailed,,,probably used these guys custom money to fund the trip,,,either way if u send her money for anything after this thread ur deserve what you get out of it

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So, what are the civilized/legal options for getting your money back?
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Richpartist wrote:I say we gang up and beat the shit out of her :yes: :laugh:
Duuuuuude. That's not good, even as a joke.
I would like to think that Rich was making a SHiP reference and thus pure fantasy
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But hasn't Ashley been regularly camming over the last few weeks and months? I mean, she's had access to an Internet connection which allows live video streaming. So it seems weird she couldn't upload the videos.

Even if the other three videos really have been shot and are awaiting upload, the longest dispute is with TIEnTEEZ who asked for a refund after Ashley told him his chosen model had taken the money and ran. Seeing as TIEnTEEZ did not want an alternative model, are we now being told that Ashley tracked down the model and shot the video with her?
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It sounds like a load of BS to me. In 6 months she couldnt give an update of what was happening? Two of those affected were loyal customers recommending her work, how long does it take to send an email or even post / pm here to say you were working on it or there had been delays or ( :lol: ) 'the vid is finished but I havent released it.'


At best its appalling customer service, at worst its theft.
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It's theft, fraud, false pretenses....no matter what you call it, it's a crime and I know most, if not all, law enforcement jurisdictions are equipped to deal with it because the internet has become a huge place of commerce. I guess the hard part is finding out where she is....but it sounds like MH is in touch with her
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MightyHypnotic @hyponlinemedia wrote:OK I have some info. I called Ashley a few days ago basically to let her know that she could use my studio and I would help her finish her customs. Well the problem is that she is no longer in L.A. and is in transition. She tells me that the videos are completed but she is unable to upload due to her staying at hotels and friends homes. She is travelling and shooting at the moment.

Now, I'm not getting involved here, But since I saw what was going on and I thought she was local AND I've known her for some time I thought I would reach out.

I told her I would pass along the info. I hope you all get resolution soon.

First off, thanks very much for taking an interest, MH. I really appreciate it. You really didn't have to do that. :)
Also, thanks to Jewel Evans and Christina Carter, who also got involved by contacting Ashley (or trying to). Oh, and the KnightsOfGotham guy, too, for sending me some good info (sorry, don't know your name).

You are all awesome people and it's good to know there are some folks in this business with class. :)


But frankly, this story is pure bullshit. Ashley stopped answering my e-mails more than 6 months ago. And there is absolutely no excuse for that. Nor is there any reason why she couldn't come to this forum and post for herself or respond to any of the people she has ripped off via e-mail.

She is actively posting on twitter, so why not post something there to let us know she hasn't forgotten about our money that she took?

She's also soliciting new custom business, which is insane if she can't handle the business she already has. AOL get sued for this same bad business practice.

Not to mention that "the videos are already shot" is complete and utter bullshit in my case. I don't believe that for a second and even if it were true, I don't even want the video any more - I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because there's too much anger wrapped up in it, now.

The most infuriating thing about this is the unbelievable hypocrisy of it. I remember when the whole thing went down with EvilBilly and Angelique Kithos and I remember Ashley being right there on the front lines talking trash about Kithos and how people like her give everyone a bad name and then she goes and pulls the exact same shit. Ashley even want so far as to call Kithos out on her lies about it on twitter. I mean... it's like I'm in the twilight zone.
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TIEnTEEZ wrote: Also, thanks to Jade Evans
Jewel Evans. Just giving proper credit is all.
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TIEnTEEZ wrote: Also, thanks to Jade Evans
Jewel Evans. Just giving proper credit is all.
Oops. Fixed it, thanks. :)
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She is lying to you MH, she's been streaming on her twitch despite living out of a hotel/friends house, sorry but not buying it. You need a fairly decent computer and video set up to stream on twitch and that isn't something she'd have if she's "in transition" as she says. Sounds like utter BS. Also she could have the decency to email people, hotel wi-fi still works last time I checked.
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RedMountain wrote:She is lying to you MH, she's been streaming on her twitch despite living out of a hotel/friends house, sorry but not buying it. You need a fairly decent computer and video set up to stream on twitch and that isn't something she'd have if she's "in transition" as she says. Sounds like utter BS. Also she could have the decency to email people, hotel wi-fi still works last time I checked.
If she's streaming gameplay on twitch and streaming live camshows professionally, the excuse about being in transition turns to dust.



By the way, "streaming on twitch" sounds like a euphemism for something awful.
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Even If her internet was bad. Ashley could go down to the local McdonaldS an use their internet. I have downloaded a lot of videos while snacking on chicken nuggets.

Thank you mighty hypnotic for volunteering your studio. The gesture is appreciated.


Please no one threaten physical violencE to ashley. We are better than that. Let's not have an online Baltimore Burning(yeah I went there)

Just because we sit in the dark under the covers and masterbate to women in leotards. This does not mean we are without some morality.
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am I the only one who thinks Ashley is able to read these comments here in the forum? I get the feeling that she's not that totally out of touch with the world and KNOWING damn well that people are trying to get in touch with her re: refunds, movies, etc., I find it hard to believe she wouldn't take a few minutes out of her very busy day 'transitioning' to check up on her emails or at the very least, what people are saying about her here in the forum. So far MH, CC, and one other person (forgot who) claimed to have been in touch with her, and if I had people telling me "hey man, people are pissed off at you and saying you ripped them off, etc. etc. and posting comments in the forum" wouldn't I want to go defend myself and check out the forum? if someone was calling me a thief, fraud, or liar in a forum where I make my business, don't you think I'd be curious to see what people are accusing me of so I can set things straight? If I cared about my reputation and business and I heard people calling me thief, fraud, liar, I'd be quick to defend myself and explain what's going on. If I made my living producing videos that people have paid lots of money for, and then I disappear for awhile without answering emails (6 months!?!?) and then I heard people were pissed and calling me names, the FIRST thing I'd do is come on here and explain myself and try to resolve the issues before it got to this point....but not a single peep from HER, but a few others have said they've contacted her. So yeah---she knows people are pissed and want their money or movie, and yeah, people are calling her out as a fraud, thief, and a liar, and yeah, she's probably reading these comments. Don't think for a moment she's not aware of what's going on here. Shame on you Ashley, you're despicable.
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