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[CustomSuperheroines]

But that's a fine line I chose to stay on-- on the other hand, I have a site which is clearly fetish but no one wants to acknowledge that there is a difference. And maybe to you there isn't. Again, there is no reason for debate-- it's all superheroine and that's why we're here.

The customer is NEVER wrong. If they are confused YOU MADE THEM CONFUSED. The reason people aren't getting it is cause YOU failed to get that distinction across.

Basically they are seeing the exact same stuff on both the fetish and combat sites except one shows breasts and the other does not. YOU JUST HAD TIFFANY CHASE GO NUDE. How is that NOT confusing. Hot chics fighting on Heroine Kombat. Hot chics fighting on Rapture.... WHAT exactly is the difference? In fact I would imagine you have customers watching Heroine Kombat thinking girls will go topless. Plus you shoot on EXACTLY THE SAME SET. The exact same fighting on both sites. The same bad guys. And then you're tossing fetish elements into Heroine Kombat UP TO but not including nudity. You tie girls up on both sites. KO them... Geez no wonder people are confused. So what exactly is the difference between a Heroine Kombat KO and a Rapture KO?

If your customers are confused then you failed to make things clear. Never assume the customer is wrong.

Tiffany was implied/partially nude. There was nothing exposed. I shoot on the same set because I own that studio. Different bad guys, sorry. And my customers are not confused-- the people debating it are the ones who have never purchased from me. My fan base knows what to expect. My fan base is not the one questioning it-- you and other producers are the ones with the issue. And at NO point did I say the customer was wrong-- that is a very misguided inference you are making. I said that people may see it as fetish and to THEM it may be-- but seeing a girl KO'd is not a fetish unless the person watching has that fetish-- and for them, it becomes one. I just saw a post on this site with a video clip from YouTube of a KO from a CW show. They targeted and exploited their fetish. So because there is a KO in that show, it is now clearly a fetish show? The show is not fetish-- the people who watched it and pointed it out and were aroused by it HAD a fetish. There is clearly a difference - and that difference comes down to the way the video is filmed. I sell my PG films on non-fetish sites. Do the people there have fetishes? Maybe. I don't ask. But I know my intention on the PG site is only to make sexy superheroine videos that people will enjoy-- you and the other producers and non-viewers of my material are the ones who try and classify it as fetish for some inherent reason that I devalue your sacred fetish-- and I do nothing of the sort.

[Alex Bettinger]

Hey Logan, you recently released a 26 minute video of nothing but low blows, most clips from which came from your supposedly non-fetish videos. You are selling it for $40.

Do you seriously contend that there is anyone who is spending $40 for a video of nothing but low blows--no story, no full fight scenes--who is NOT watching it for fetishistic reasons? And if not, then clearly you made and sold that compilation for a fetish market, right? As fetish porn.

Or do you actually think that there is a mainstream (non-fetishistic) audience that just so loves the artistry and drama of seeing women punched in the pussy, that they will spend $40 for just those scenes?

[Mr. X]

Tiffany was implied/partially nude. There was nothing exposed.

Was she on camera with no clothes and hands covering her lady parts? Yes or NO? How is that NOT rapture. Why do you keep playing these games. The girl was BUCK NAKED and in the free pics you even show HER BARE ASS. So if that's NOT nudity then she could strut on down to Starbucks like that and that would NOT be considered nudity?

I shoot on the same set because I own that studio.

I get that but that is meaningless. You do nothing to change the sets. Always looks the same. I'm explaining WHY someone would get confused. You don't even buy some cheap black bed sheets and drape them around to change the look. Of course a customer is going to think its the same production studio.

I shoot on the same set because I own that studio. Different bad guys, sorry. And my customers are not confused-- the people debating it are the ones who have never purchased from me. My fan base knows what to expect. My fan base is not the one questioning it-- you and other producers are the ones with the issue. And at NO point did I say the customer was wrong-- that is a very misguided inference you are making. I said that people may see it as fetish and to THEM it may be-- but seeing a girl KO'd is not a fetish unless the person watching has that fetish-- and for them, it becomes one. I just saw a post on this site with a video clip from YouTube of a KO from a CW show. They targeted and exploited their fetish. So because there is a KO in that show, it is now clearly a fetish show? The show is not fetish-- the people who watched it and pointed it out and were aroused by it HAD a fetish. There is clearly a difference - and that difference comes down to the way the video is filmed. I sell my PG films on non-fetish sites. Do the people there have fetishes? Maybe. I don't ask. But I know my intention on the PG site is only to make sexy superheroine videos that people will enjoy-- you and the other producers and non-viewers of my material are the ones who try and classify it as fetish for some inherent reason that I devalue your sacred fetish-- and I do nothing of the sort.

Just trying to explain the confusion. And yes its a bit weird a producer like you takes someone like Tiffany Chase, puts her in costumes and fights and KOs and BUCK NAKED with her hands over her lady parts AND you ask for fetish elements but then claim what you make is not fetish.

Whatever. You're the one who made the comment people are confused. I can under stand dividing R and PG, that's fine. Its your insistence you're NOT making fetish material when you are clearly asking for fetish elements that's confusing.

[Heroine Addict]

I said that people may see it as fetish and to THEM it may be-- but seeing a girl KO'd is not a fetish unless the person watching has that fetish-- and for them, it becomes one. I just saw a post on this site with a video clip from YouTube of a KO from a CW show. They targeted and exploited their fetish. So because there is a KO in that show, it is now clearly a fetish show? The show is not fetish-- the people who watched it and pointed it out and were aroused by it HAD a fetish. There is clearly a difference - and that difference comes down to the way the video is filmed. I sell my PG films on non-fetish sites. Do the people there have fetishes? Maybe. I don't ask. But I know my intention on the PG site is only to make sexy superheroine videos that people will enjoy-- you and the other producers and non-viewers of my material are the ones who try and classify it as fetish for some inherent reason that I devalue your sacred fetish-- and I do nothing of the sort.

Surely the key question is WHO IS THE CORE/PRIMARY AUDIENCE? The CW show you mention is watched by a truly mainstream audience with maybe a small minority of fetishists. Can you say the same for your work?

If you do indeed have a significant mainstream audience, they are conspicuously quiet. Most online promotion and discussion of your work seems to take place on SH Peril fetish sites such as this forum and HeroineMovies. Which is odd, seeing as the mainstream guys have much less reason to be awkward and embarrassed than the guys with niche fetishes. Why are they so quiet?

What proportion of Heroine Legends sales do you believe comes from the fetish market? If it's the majority, then they are blatantly fetish videos. Just like the CW show you saw is blatantly a mainstream show.

[CustomSuperheroines]

To all of the above, LOL.

[Blx]

So I guess this is more of a discussion of definitions than anything else?

Whoop dee doo.

[CustomSuperheroines]

So I guess this is more of a discussion of definitions than anything else?

Whoop dee doo.

I have no idea where this discussion is going. It was some sort of retaliation...

Anyway, back to topic, I tried the Wonder Woman Gargantua throwback on The Beast Unleashed and we've done the Fausta Chloro scenario a few times-- interested in other scenes to sort of remake for nostalgia purposes

Oh, and we did Barbarella too

[theScribbler]

To all of the above, LOL.

Then you're laughing at brilliance cause those are all brilliant posts. But I sort of see how this is the best comeback you could come up with.

[CustomSuperheroines]

To all of the above, LOL.

Then you're laughing at brilliance cause those are all brilliant posts. But I sort of see how this is the best comeback you could come up with.

LOL

[theScribbler]

I said that people may see it as fetish and to THEM it may be-- but seeing a girl KO'd is not a fetish unless the person watching has that fetish-- and for them, it becomes one. I just saw a post on this site with a video clip from YouTube of a KO from a CW show. They targeted and exploited their fetish. So because there is a KO in that show, it is now clearly a fetish show? The show is not fetish-- the people who watched it and pointed it out and were aroused by it HAD a fetish. There is clearly a difference - and that difference comes down to the way the video is filmed. I sell my PG films on non-fetish sites. Do the people there have fetishes? Maybe. I don't ask. But I know my intention on the PG site is only to make sexy superheroine videos that people will enjoy-- you and the other producers and non-viewers of my material are the ones who try and classify it as fetish for some inherent reason that I devalue your sacred fetish-- and I do nothing of the sort.

Surely the key question is WHO IS THE CORE/PRIMARY AUDIENCE? The CW show you mention is watched by a truly mainstream audience with maybe a small minority of fetishists. Can you say the same for your work?

Of course he can't. His stuff isn't even remotely mainstream. It's indie subculture superheroine peril genre or superheroine beatdowns. All fetish up the wazoo.

If you do indeed have a significant mainstream audience, they are conspicuously quiet. Most online promotion and discussion of your work seems to take place on SH Peril fetish sites such as this forum and HeroineMovies. Which is odd, seeing as the mainstream guys have much less reason to be awkward and embarrassed than the guys with niche fetishes. Why are they so quiet?

Cause they don't exist.

Plus there's no press. You ain't mainstream movies or media unless you're getting coverage in Variety and Hollywood Reporter and the like. When we see a Cross the Line something-or-other on Entertainment Tonight, then one can say that project has hit the mainstream or it's a indie project that's got some notice from mainstream, until then it's way-under-the-radar-wannabe-land-of-wishful-thinking.

What proportion of Heroine Legends sales do you believe comes from the fetish market? If it's the majority, then they are blatantly fetish videos. Just like the CW show you saw is blatantly a mainstream show.

I can answer that. Virtually all sales from fetish market. Either superheroine beatdown enthusiasts and/or superheroine peril enthusiasts. There's no mainstream audience buying for the storytelling, just fetishists buying for the sexual thrills, or rather violence to sexy babe thrills.

BTW Excellent observations Heroine Addict!

[CustomSuperheroines]

I said that people may see it as fetish and to THEM it may be-- but seeing a girl KO'd is not a fetish unless the person watching has that fetish-- and for them, it becomes one. I just saw a post on this site with a video clip from YouTube of a KO from a CW show. They targeted and exploited their fetish. So because there is a KO in that show, it is now clearly a fetish show? The show is not fetish-- the people who watched it and pointed it out and were aroused by it HAD a fetish. There is clearly a difference - and that difference comes down to the way the video is filmed. I sell my PG films on non-fetish sites. Do the people there have fetishes? Maybe. I don't ask. But I know my intention on the PG site is only to make sexy superheroine videos that people will enjoy-- you and the other producers and non-viewers of my material are the ones who try and classify it as fetish for some inherent reason that I devalue your sacred fetish-- and I do nothing of the sort.

Surely the key question is WHO IS THE CORE/PRIMARY AUDIENCE? The CW show you mention is watched by a truly mainstream audience with maybe a small minority of fetishists. Can you say the same for your work?

Of course he can't. His stuff isn't even remotely mainstream. It's indie subculture superheroine peril genre or superheroine beatdowns. All fetish up the wazoo.

If you do indeed have a significant mainstream audience, they are conspicuously quiet. Most online promotion and discussion of your work seems to take place on SH Peril fetish sites such as this forum and HeroineMovies. Which is odd, seeing as the mainstream guys have much less reason to be awkward and embarrassed than the guys with niche fetishes. Why are they so quiet?

Cause they don't exist.

Plus there's no press. You ain't mainstream movies or media unless you're getting coverage in Variety and Hollywood Reporter and the like. When we see a Cross the Line something-or-other on Entertainment Tonight, then one can say that project has hit the mainstream or it's a indie project that's got some notice from mainstream, until then it's way-under-the-radar-wannabe-land-of-wishful-thinking.

What proportion of Heroine Legends sales do you believe comes from the fetish market? If it's the majority, then they are blatantly fetish videos. Just like the CW show you saw is blatantly a mainstream show.

I can answer that. Virtually all sales from fetish market. Either superheroine beatdown enthusiasts and/or superheroine peril enthusiasts. There's no mainstream audience buying for the storytelling, just fetishists buying for the sexual thrills, or rather violence to sexy babe thrills.

BTW Excellent observations Heroine Addict!

[CustomSuperheroines]

Okay, so here's a sincere question. In harder content with male penetration, do you prefer the use of a strap-on or actual flesh?

[jlocke]

Okay, so here's a sincere question. In harder content with male penetration, do you prefer the use of a strap-on or actual flesh?

I think you're a bot. You lack a shame algorithm though.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Okay, so here's a sincere question. In harder content with male penetration, do you prefer the use of a strap-on or actual flesh?

I think you're a bot. You lack a shame algorithm though.

I'm booking out a shoot and we came to this question and my only real concern is whether or not people hate to see male skin or if they prefer to see a strap-on instead - it's all the same - just going to change how I book.

[Blx]

Either is fine. But you're not considering a man with a strap on right?

[Ezekiel]

I think that's exactly what he means.

[Heroine Addict]

So, is he going to be an impotent villain? Or maybe a robot? Or is the fake cock supposed to be diegetically real?

[Blx]

I always felt that looked reeeeaally stupid. I didn't like it on Rye's vid and I also didn't like it in the latest Marvel vid.

[Heroine Addict]

I always felt that looked reeeeaally stupid. I didn't like it on Rye's vid and I also didn't like it in the latest Marvel vid.

Agreed. Surely it only happens in circumstances where the models refuse to work with actual cock?

I can see why some people prefer female/female scenes with a strap-on, but I've never heard of anyone who prefers a male/female scene which uses an obviously fake cock.

[Mr. X]

Well there's also the fact not every man is hung like a horse....

except for me of course... ehem.

[Blx]

I get why it was used for the Enthusiastic Participation. The actor was obviously not a porn actor and to change him to someone who was would've taken away from the story.

But for that Jessie Rodgers video I didn't like it at all.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Now, if you had a character that was "clearly" not human... I guess my idea was that you could use a strap-on as a substitute to sell the anime-ness or comic-book-ness of the scenario... I guess kinda of like Japanese superheroine films have monsters with tentacles...

[theScribbler]

I remember back in the day, bondage videos would avoid real dick penetration when the storyline was non consensual. Is that still a legal bugaboo, or is that over now?

[Blx]

Now, if you had a character that was "clearly" not human... I guess my idea was that you could use a strap-on as a substitute to sell the anime-ness or comic-book-ness of the scenario... I guess kinda of like Japanese superheroine films have monsters with tentacles...

Aha okay.

I'd just avoid it. It looks very off and I don't think it's worth it to build a story around a non G-G film, just so you can fuck a girl with a strap on.

[MightyHypnotic]

I remember back in the day, bondage videos would avoid real dick penetration when the storyline was non consensual. Is that still a legal bugaboo, or is that over now?

It depends on who you are. The short answer is no, it's not over, it's still a BRAM violation. You're not supposed to show a woman getting fucked while she's restrained, it's deemed non-consensual.

However, if you're KINK.com bringing in bushels of cash every week, along with an owner who enjoys (and can pay for) a freedom of speech fight from time to time, the powers that be might look the other way.

Lately it seems like the rules have loosened up but that doesn't mean a crackdown can't happen at any time.

[Mr. X]

Lately it seems like the rules have loosened up but that doesn't mean a crackdown can't happen at any time.

All it takes is someone murdering someone and claiming they saw it on a video (London) and there will be a crack down. More than likely VISA will declare it won't support accounts with such material.

[MightyHypnotic]

Lately it seems like the rules have loosened up but that doesn't mean a crackdown can't happen at any time.

All it takes is someone murdering someone and claiming they saw it on a video (London) and there will be a crack down. More than likely VISA will declare it won't support accounts with such material.

^^^ This.

[CustomSuperheroines]

Lately it seems like the rules have loosened up but that doesn't mean a crackdown can't happen at any time.

All it takes is someone murdering someone and claiming they saw it on a video (London) and there will be a crack down. More than likely VISA will declare it won't support accounts with such material.

^^^ This.

There will always be stupid people out there. That's the reason why McDonald's had to put the words: "Caution: Contents are Hot" on hot coffee after a lawsuit. Or "contains nuts" on a bag of peanuts. But that shouldn't stop people from filming acted fantasies. But then again, they convicted Max Payne... A bunch of conservative religious assholes. Just my opinion.

[MightyHypnotic]

lol. Max Hardcore. Max Payne doesn't exist. Unless you mean the gay performer.

[Heroine Addict]

There will always be stupid people out there. That's the reason why McDonald's had to put the words: "Caution: Contents are Hot" on hot coffee after a lawsuit. Or "contains nuts" on a bag of peanuts. But that shouldn't stop people from filming acted fantasies. But then again, they convicted Max Payne... A bunch of conservative religious assholes. Just my opinion.

Sorry to be pedantic, but peanuts are legumes. They are, however, often processed and packaged alongside tree nuts. So the warnings are valid and can also be found on various products you wouldn't expect to be nutty.

[CustomSuperheroines]

There will always be stupid people out there. That's the reason why McDonald's had to put the words: "Caution: Contents are Hot" on hot coffee after a lawsuit. Or "contains nuts" on a bag of peanuts. But that shouldn't stop people from filming acted fantasies. But then again, they convicted Max Payne... A bunch of conservative religious assholes. Just my opinion.

Sorry to be pedantic, but peanuts are legumes. They are, however, often processed and packaged alongside tree nuts. So the warnings are valid and can also be found on various products you wouldn't expect to be nutty.

You win. lol I guess I shouldn't text/post and drive and actually pay attention to what I'm saying - how about this one. The hair dryer has to say "gets hot" on it.

[CustomSuperheroines]

lol. Max Hardcore. Max Payne doesn't exist. Unless you mean the gay performer.

Yeah, not paying attention - Max Hardcore - Max Payne was a video game character lol

[CustomSuperheroines]

So we have cast a male actor and female actress (Brandy Aniston) for our first hardcore scene (not simulated)... here are the costumes - the female is a Supergirl variation and the male is a demonized Batman taking revenge... The concept is based on Ransom videos with some surveillance footage and POV camera that the villain is always holding...

Superheroine Ransom

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What we are going to do is have a loose script and put together a scene where she is bound, wakes up, tortured, she breaks free and fights back, then under the threat of sending this video to creation interested parties, forced to submit to sexual things.

Not necessarily a free custom, but sort of-- I want your ideas for things to include in the first video. We want it to be awesome and that's what this poll was about - whether or not the male actor will be exposed or if we use a prop for the sake of exaggeration, etc - let me know what you think.

[dpac777]

Well, maybe I'm too easy to please or just a brown-nose ass kisser, but I LOVE seeing the girls get chloroformed. Tiffany, Kritstie, Lindsay, Kelly..they all look really hot going out. Logan, THANK YOU for including chloroform in your videos. It honestly makes all the shit I have to put up with to make the cash to purchase the video worthwhile. Please keep it up and tell all the girls thanks.

[EvilDaria]

Can I ask a question about the use of actual penetration and the "Hitachi" sex toy as forms of torturing the heroine's pussy. Whilst rape is an obvious choice as a weapon - it humiliates, takes away her power [as a euphemism for removing her super powers] - the use of sex toys and denial as a form of torture seem unsatisfactory. There are many movies around currently where multiple cunt-busting blows, kicks and knee attacks have been the main way of torturing. How about heat, electricity and sharp weapons? Obviously I am not expecting actual bodily harm to take place, but even the threat of such things should form part of the torturer's arsenal. The heroine's resolve to face anything would be sorely [no pun intended!] tested.

[niko999]

So my screenwriters wanted me to ask more clearly and directly to the viewers for some good examples of sexual peril that are not just setups for sex scenes.

My examples are possibly too detailed and purely setups for sex scenes but I'll add them anyway as the arguing is boring.

A lot of it is the the same as the usual but modified to fit the theme which as far as I'm concerned has its foundations the 60s TV Batman show.

1. Same as the usual - forced orgasm - but more verbal. You mentioned Barbarella; I'm pretty sure my fetish started with the scene where the Queen has Barbarella tied up and is saying what she is going to do with her - buildup is hot - talking about it in advance is hot with the heroine verbally defying e.g.
"Oh my pretty I'm going to have so much fun with you."
"I am Wonder Woman I'll never surrender to you!"
"Oh yes you will my pretty, by the time I'm done with you you'll be begging to join my harem."
"never"
"oh yes my pretty i'm going to make you want it - want it so bad"
etc
Cheesy yes, camp yes, hot yes (at least for me). ***more dialog*** ftw

2. As above but heroine's powers stem from a vow of celibacy so orgasm = lose super powers so struggle is because they don't want to enjoy it (but they do)
heroine captured and seduced into orgasm by villainess
with powers gone villainess can turn heroine into permanent sex slave
before she can do it Goddess Hera turns up and swats the villainess
"Goddess I'm sorry I couldn't help it, she made me"
"yes i saw, I've been watching what she did to you and what she made you do to her for the last hour"
"Goddess I am so sorry - please untie me Goddess so can repeat my vow of celibacy to you"
Goddess unzips her skirt "no hurry"
"Goddess what are you...mmmmph" (as Goddess sits on her face)

3. Batwoman and Robinette (60s TV Batman but kinkier and F/F)
captured and made to pleasure each other various ways

a) peril way: where the peril is escaped sexually e.g. one tied standing, one kneeling in front of her, with campy bomb and a big ticking clock . villainess straps a device to Batwoman's wrist and muhahas - the bomb is timed to go off in 5 minutes but if Robinette can make Batwoman cum in time the wrist device will switch the timer off

b) peril2: Robinette tied bent over some kind of movable object, Push button on wall some distance in front of her head. Batwoman tied standing behind Robinette. Push button can only be pushed if Batwoman can push Robinette forward enough by thrusting her hips. Did I mention the strap on?
"sorry Robinette"
"oh my!"
"sorry Robinette"
"oh my gosh!"
etc

c) loads more: basically take the perils in the 60s Batman show and sexualize them

d) mind control way: Batwoman and Robinette mind controlled together or one at a time, lap dance the villainess or each other. Mind controlled one told to pleasure the other, other tries to fight it but... can't resist. Heroines massively embarassed when they snap out of trance.
mind controlled heroines making out on floor, phone rings
"Yes Lex, Batwoman and Robinette are taken care of, you can rob the bank in complete safety"
pause
"you need four hours," looks down at heroines 69ing on floor, "no that shouldn't be a problem at all and my cut is 20%, okay Lex we'll meet up later"
puts phone down
"no then girls how we fill the next four hours"

e) eventually or from the start Batwoman and Robinette have the hots for each other but are good girls. Villainess mind controlling them is the only time they can have sex so they start to deliberately get caught.

Loads more as I say, just take the perils from the 60s Batman show and sexualize them.

I like the campy 60s style and I'm at the relatively tame end of the violence scale and maybe 60/40 on the sex scale. I like the sex to be included (and real if possible) but prefer ten minutes of campy buildup - especially dialog - followed by five minutes of lesbian sex rather than 5 minutes of buildup and ten minutes of sex.