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Defeat, I greatly look forward to in all my super heroine erotica fanfiction. I have a couple idea brewing for defeated heroines (mostly Wonder Woman and Batgirl) that I hope to turn into fics one day.

Death, not so much.
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Quite generally, I like it when the heroine is severely weakened by a woman much lesser than her in terms of strength through some really dirty and unfair means. "Defeat" can follow in any of the 3 forms: the heroine is forced to watch the villainess take her plans to fruition, and powerless to do anything about it, or she is forced into menial/demeaning service for the villainess and/or tortured in various kinky ways (without blood & such).

Death itself is interesting only when she is totally destroyed and walked over. The last thing she has to have in her mind, see or feel is the full dimension of her failure at upholding her duty.

I can't give more details because I would spoil the stories I'm working on. :D

Very nice pic in the opening post by the way. If Cheetah managed to pigstick WW with a really dirty move (spitting her in the eyes or delivering a knee between her legs), it would be a good example of what I wrote above.
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I'm more of a fan of humiliating defeat than I am of death. I think death is good as a constant lingering threat that can add to the peril and so on, but actually killing the heroine is more of an emotive plot move than it is especially kinky - though there's always exceptions, I can think of a few heroine deaths that have been done in ways I actually quite enjoyed.

When it comes to defeat, I like the kinds where the heroine is beaten and then subverted - or even beaten BY being subverted - and that subversion could then entail the death of what the heroine once was. A decent example would be Ivy using her powers to ensnare and seduce batgirl, then pleasuring her into total submission such that she becomes her thrall from then on, abandoning the values she used to stand for. That's the kind of defeat I relish.

Near-defeats are also fine by me. Batgirl shaking off Ivy's influence and winning the day would be just as enjoyable - if not more so now that the heroine goes on with her life with the memory of what Ivy made her do and think.
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Omega Woman wrote:Defeat, I greatly look forward to in all my super heroine erotica fanfiction. I have a couple idea brewing for defeated heroines (mostly Wonder Woman and Batgirl) that I hope to turn into fics one day.

Death, not so much.
I would love to hear your ideas.
Ah, I've always wanted to do a story where Wonder Woman makes a bet, gets in way over her head, and has to do WHATEVER the victor says. It can work with either a hero or a villain.
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not a fan of death, but like when villains turn heroines are force them in to quitting and becoming their slaves
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Yeah, not big into death, myself. Although I can see the appeal of the threat of a permanent or semi-permanent defeat and the fear it generates.

Y'know what's odd, though? The thing that really struck me about this pic wasn't the death - it was the shield. We need more superheroines with shields. :)
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WW pic I found on the web.
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I'm going to copy and paste my post from another thread because it's so appropriate here:

I love movies that actually end with the heroine's death. Heroes and heroines are always facing perils, certain doom, deathtraps, etc. In popular culture stories like comics and mainstream movies and TV shows, they always survive these perilous scenarios. So for me, having them actually die is an enticing taboo that stems from being the anti-"what is supposed to happen". Then again, I like dark stories in general, so it's not much of a leap for me.

The attached image is from a very recent film. I loved this scene.
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wifly17 wrote:
decendingskulls wrote:I'm going to copy and paste my post from another thread because it's so appropriate here:

I love movies that actually end with the heroine's death. Heroes and heroines are always facing perils, certain doom, deathtraps, etc. In popular culture stories like comics and mainstream movies and TV shows, they always survive these perilous scenarios. So for me, having them actually die is an enticing taboo that stems from being the anti-"what is supposed to happen". Then again, I like dark stories in general, so it's not much of a leap for me.

The attached image is from a very recent film. I loved this scene.
I am exactly the same way! I would sometimes get upset with mainstream stuff because there would be situations that , with a villain like that in real life, a superheroine just would not survive or at least escape from.
Wow what great pic! Where can I see this film?
I also love dark stories.

If you're interested, maybe we can write a story together!
That particular film can be found here

http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewto ... ick#p76448

I've never written a story with someone else. How does that work? It sounds fun anyway.
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By the way, this might interest anyone who was drawn to this thread. A while back I was speaking with Alex David about having her make me a custom video. I mentioned I like when the heroine dies. She said she doesn't really do that. Then I suggested an idea where we used a video game heroine, inside an actual video game world, and she would have multiple lives like in video games. This way, the deaths would be lighter in tone because we're not talking major blood and guts violence, there's always the promise of regenerating after death due to multiple lives (that is until game over), and my favorite part of this formula is that we'd get to film multiple death sequences instead of just one. Here is the result:

http://www.superheroineforum.com/viewto ... 37&t=22440

Another great thing about this video is it starts out like a campy retro voyeuristic gamer-girl almost girl-power video, but it progresses (or devolves) into becoming a VERY dark and sexual and hyper voyeuristic porn parody filled with surreal death sequences.
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patmac4 wrote:not a fan of death, but like when villains turn heroines are force them in to quitting and becoming their slaves
Agreed. I'm not a big fan of death at all. Does nothing for me. But I love seeing the heroine humiliated and forced to become a slave. There's a great classic X-men that you just reminded me of where Jean Grey is hypnotized, turned into a slave and forced to serve her master in her underwear. Hot!

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4093/cxm17pg5a.jpg
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ksire_99 wrote:WW pic I found on the web.
Wow, I saw that one on a Yahoo group ages ago. I'd actually been looking to find it again without any luck. Thanks!
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I'd like to see the original Supergirl decapited with Kryptonie sword by a much ruthless Lex Luthor in her beige shiny sheer to waist pantyhose feet hopefully soon.
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I'm a fan of both, defeat more than death thought. I like defeat when it is a dominating and humiliating.Like a heroine being k.o and tied up and sexual humiliation. With death I don't like weapons like guns, knives , ect.
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I'm a fan of the death ending. I think those last few moments of a heroine's life just before she dies are really hot. When you think about it, a lot of this is a power thing. At least to me it is. So seeing someone who is completely unconquerable just getting beaten down and destroyed, and there's nothing they can do about it, is really hot.

That said, I think it has to make sense story wise, otherwise it's not dramatic and I think it's the drama that does it for me. If it's just a video where heroines are getting dropped left and right for no reason, it does nothing for me.
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decendingskulls wrote:I'm going to copy and paste my post from another thread because it's so appropriate here:

I love movies that actually end with the heroine's death. Heroes and heroines are always facing perils, certain doom, deathtraps, etc. In popular culture stories like comics and mainstream movies and TV shows, they always survive these perilous scenarios. So for me, having them actually die is an enticing taboo that stems from being the anti-"what is supposed to happen". Then again, I like dark stories in general, so it's not much of a leap for me.

The attached image is from a very recent film. I loved this scene.
What about that look on her face? I just love it! She knows it's all over, she's run out of time, out of moves and out of luck. All her training, all her experience [or lack of it] comes to nought. Brilliant.
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patmac4 wrote:not a fan of death, but like when villains turn heroines are force them in to quitting and becoming their slaves
I'd like to see Mary Marvel become Black Adam's slave in her shimmery pantyhosed feet since she doesn't really have any kind of special powers and abilities.
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Omega Woman wrote:Defeat, I greatly look forward to in all my super heroine erotica fanfiction. I have a couple idea brewing for defeated heroines (mostly Wonder Woman and Batgirl) that I hope to turn into fics one day.

Death, not so much.
Do you think that you can come up with images of Wonder Woman,Troia,Supergirl,Power Girl,Black Canary,and other leotard wearing superheroines being brutally beaten down in their shimmery or seamless pantyhosed feet by bigger and stronger leotard/mini skirt wearing supervillainesses like Giganta and Poison Ivy also in their shimmery/seamless pantyhosed feet? That I would love to see very much to make my day or night. :)
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Okay, what the hell just happened? I know I didn't start this thread. How come my post is the first one now?
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I think the account of the original poster may have been deleted....that's my best guess...seems like an interesting thread though.

Not for a heroine like me though hehe.
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Omega Woman wrote:Defeat, I greatly look forward to in all my super heroine erotica fanfiction. I have a couple idea brewing for defeated heroines (mostly Wonder Woman and Batgirl) that I hope to turn into fics one day.

Death, not so much.
Say,I have a great idea for you in regards of superheroines being defeated. How about mostly leotard/mimi skirt wearing superheroines in their shimmery sheer to waist/seamless pantyhosed feet being physically and brutally taken out by bigger and stronger leotard/mini skirt wearing supervillainesses also in their shimmery sheer to waist/seamless pantyhosed feet? Now I think that would be quite awesome for me and other afficinados of women in seamless and shimmery pantyhose to check out.
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As a writer death is a very limiting tool. Once a character is dead they are done being usable except in stories set before than. I know bringing characters back to life is big in the superhero genre, but it's something I've always felt distasteful as a reader.

Also from the perspective of someone who writes erotica for profit "snuff" is one of those kinks it's best to stay away from if you want to be able to sell your stuff in major markets (such as Amazon). Even if the death its self isn't erotisised it's one of those subjects it's best to keep out of your work, just to be on the safe side.
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As a supervillain I usually leave my superheroine preys alive, but that's only because then I can capture and humiliate them again and enjoy their sexy spandex clad bodies even more.
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well, many have tried to destroy me …. and I am still here ;)
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sharon-in-peril wrote:well, many have tried to destroy me …. and I am still here ;)
You might find yourself unconscious in my spiderlair...very soon indeed...
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ooooh, is that so, Evil Spider?
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I am a BIG fan of heroine demise scenarios, but I have noticed something that I feel needs some improvement in terms of the movies. Nearly every death scene in recent movies seems anti-climactic to me. Most times the heroine appears to simply drift off to sleep. To me this is a let down. I would much prefer a death where the heroine's reactions are rising in intensity, building toward a climax as she struggles to survive, finally arriving at her final abrupt moan or grunt with the revelation of death on her face. Sorry if that sounds poetically disturbing, but that is what I would love to see, and we hardly ever get a death scene like that. I'm not trying to be a complainer. Just throwing my preference into the ring.
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Oddly enough I like when the heroine wins, and I don't mind if she kills people to do it, although since I like my villains female I'm wondering if it really makes much odds which way around they are.
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Defeat is kinda what im after in a superheroine video/story. Death is sometimes ok. There is a studio that does a normal adult rated video, and then a month later or so he brings out a second video on another studio which is same actor same story most of the time, but the ending is the heroine death.
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[quote="digitalbleh"There is a studio that does a normal adult rated video, and then a month later or so he brings out a second video on another studio which is same actor same story most of the time, but the ending is the heroine death.[/quote]

Do you remember the name or url of this studio?
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xxxtremecomics does the first video, and a second one is brought out with a death scene by deathcut.com
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Defeate not death. That's my choice.

A superheroine (like Supergirl or WW) suddenly losing her superpowers and phisically beaten and humiliated by a stronger larger ordinary bad woman shuold be great. Without her powers she is only a weakling.
The same if the heroine isn't superpowered, like Batgirl, and is badly beaten by a stronger larger bad girl.
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Are they really 'Super'heroines if they lose their powers?

At that point it's just a story of someone being beaten up. It could just as well be a Halloween story of someone dressed up as a comic book character being beaten up.
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Kitten wrote:Are they really 'Super'heroines if they lose their powers?

At that point it's just a story of someone being beaten up. It could just as well be a Halloween story of someone dressed up as a comic book character being beaten up.
Not necessarily. The story could still go into detail about them agonizing over what they once were. "Fall from grace", and all that. That's not something you can get out of a normal human cosplaying as a comic book character.
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Kitten wrote:Are they really 'Super'heroines if they lose their powers?

At that point it's just a story of someone being beaten up. It could just as well be a Halloween story of someone dressed up as a comic book character being beaten up.

Isnt that how most/all of the heroine peril videos/stories go. The heroine is allways beaten up, after becomming weak somehow. I hardly doubt it would be so easy to take off ww's belt for example, or use kryptonite on supergirl, or sneak up behind a superheroine and somehow get the upperhand by just holding her hands behind her back.

I think a very enjoyable scene for me for a video would be to have a long fight scene and so on with the heroine winning pretty much all of the time, and then spmoe mad scientist maybe, inventing some sort of "de-powering" ray of some sort and shooting the superheroine with it. leaving the rest of the movie to be w/e type of peril you enjoy.
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Different strokes for different folks.

We all look for and get different things from these videos.

Can't take what i said out of context. It was mostly in response to,
A superheroine (like Supergirl or WW) suddenly losing her superpowers and phisically beaten and humiliated by a stronger larger ordinary bad woman shuold be great. Without her powers she is only a weakling.
The same if the heroine isn't superpowered, like Batgirl, and is badly beaten by a stronger larger bad girl.
My point there, was that it wasnt a requirement to be a superheroine video. At that point it could just have been a confident woman cosplaying herself into that situation.
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Different strokes for different folks. That's right my friend.
I'm also interested in a normal good girl beaten by a normal larger bad girl. That0s my fetish. But to me is particularly interesting when a superheroine suddenly become a normal girl. And she suddenly realizes how weak her normal body is in confront of her larger rival. I like every aspect of that. The beating. The psichological humiliation.
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Exactly.

The genre is broad enough that anything can be thrown into it.

Any fetish that you might have, for a normal person can be thrown under the umbrella of superheroines, because you can look at them as normal people with super powers.

The notable distinction is that they have superpowers. Take it away and you lose the genre.

I'm not saying it's 'wrong', i'm just pointing out that you're drifting off the genre.
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Ezekiel wrote:Quite generally, I like it when the heroine is severely weakened by a woman much lesser than her in terms of strength through some really dirty and unfair means.
I also like of that kind of story. The invencible heroine being defeated by a way weaker enemy (or just a powerless one) that uses a series of means to undermine the heroine until she can be beaten.

I don`t like much of death endings in general but i enjoy stories where the villain is trying to kill the heroine (the evil plot actually being kill the heroine). In the end however the heroine even soundly defeated and humiliated eludes her final demise, for example she survives the death trap, she is saved by someone or simply was not dead (like the kryptonian 'healing coma')
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decendingskulls wrote:I am a BIG fan of heroine demise scenarios, but I have noticed something that I feel needs some improvement in terms of the movies. Nearly every death scene in recent movies seems anti-climactic to me. Most times the heroine appears to simply drift off to sleep. To me this is a let down. I would much prefer a death where the heroine's reactions are rising in intensity, building toward a climax as she struggles to survive, finally arriving at her final abrupt moan or grunt with the revelation of death on her face. Sorry if that sounds poetically disturbing, but that is what I would love to see, and we hardly ever get a death scene like that. I'm not trying to be a complainer. Just throwing my preference into the ring.
If thats your cup of tea you need to see "super demise" http://www.eclipstore.com/200#!ref=m

That ending is about the closet thing to what your describing I ever saw on these videos.
Thanks for the recommendation, but I have that movie already. Loved the concept, but thought the execution could have been better. No offense to the creator. Just my own taste.
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frankzito wrote:I'm a fan of the death ending. I think those last few moments of a heroine's life just before she dies are really hot. When you think about it, a lot of this is a power thing. At least to me it is. So seeing someone who is completely unconquerable just getting beaten down and destroyed, and there's nothing they can do about it, is really hot.

That said, I think it has to make sense story wise, otherwise it's not dramatic and I think it's the drama that does it for me. If it's just a video where heroines are getting dropped left and right for no reason, it does nothing for me.
Someday whenever you have a chance, I think you should read The Decapitation and Sodomy of Robyn The Lady Wonder if you happen to love a heroine's demise.
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I used to be very anti-death in stories, because it was such a permanent thing to me. I prefer stories to build on one another, so it was always difficult for me to read something that would end a character's story arc (even when the story is a standalone, one-off adventure). There are a few exceptions of course. Like when the end happens to be semi-permanent (let's face it, heroes always find a way back...hehe) and has some emotional impact, I'm more likely to appreciate the story, especially if the next stories involve other characters reacting to that death.
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decendingskulls wrote:I'm going to copy and paste my post from another thread because it's so appropriate here:

I love movies that actually end with the heroine's death. Heroes and heroines are always facing perils, certain doom, deathtraps, etc. In popular culture stories like comics and mainstream movies and TV shows, they always survive these perilous scenarios. So for me, having them actually die is an enticing taboo that stems from being the anti-"what is supposed to happen". Then again, I like dark stories in general, so it's not much of a leap for me.

The attached image is from a very recent film. I loved this scene.
I have this vid. Ooh...Wonderkick's demise was painful to watch in that vid. Felt bad for her.
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I prefer the unmasked
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ricky1989 wrote:I prefer the unmasked
I see unmasking as a symbolic form of death. The villain is stripping away the false face to 'kill' the invented superheroine identity and reveal her true self.

Even if the feisty heroic personality is more 'real' than the inconspicuous civilian guise, having the mask torn off will end her crime-fighting career permanently.
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I like superheroine peril with a sexual element and the key defeated scenes. For me it's sexy to see the cocky superheroine receive her comeuppance. Death isn't sexy, it's dark; I hate the death sequence in superheroine videos.
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I want the villain to win and for the peril to be perilous then for me, it's going to have to be fatal (or implied to be fatal).

I generally rationalise a character returning (I have a few Bluestone hard loss films) as either they regenerate at some point or alt world etc
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I have to admit that death scenarios intrigue me but it has to be very well handled, either in a video or story. And there have to be consequences, either in following stories or the conclusion of the story after the heroine's death. On the other hand, the manner of death is important too. I'm not into huge blood baths or sliced throats. That's over the line to me. Any kind of butchery would lose me. I'd say Bluestone's video "Supernova: Jailbreak" is about the level I appreciate.
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