The Boys Season 4

[jlocke]

Need to rewatch the finale. Puppet President, Homelander in charge of the U.S.. Concentration camps for the...Starlighters. Very unrealistic in the real world. No Authoritarian, anti-democratic, self loving, narcissist, with a deep hatred for anyone who doesn't love him, would ever round up their political opponents and put them in camps. Not in the real world. Never been done before. Well, other than Germany. And Russia. I mean we did that a little, but it was like, a serious war. So anyway, "The Boys" really jumped the reality shark there.

Kind of nice when a story is well written and makes rational sense?

It is, but I would prefer the plot to not so closely follow what's happening in the U.S. right now. I can get a dose of reality every time I go online (or outside in my deep red state).

I meant this show is NOT well written and part of that is this absurd, jaundiced view the show has of what they think reality is.

So, the attempt to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power in the United States happened. And the show is really too close to reality for me. This has been a what if the coup were successful episode. And it's extremely plausible. That's why I don't like it. I prefer a little more escapism in my entertainment.

If you're ok with attempting to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power in a democracy, then why wouldn't you be ok with doing it anytime your candidate lost? Then 1 political party could maintain power indefinitely. When we win it's fair, when you win you cheated and we will discard the results. One political party in power indefinitely, means we don't live in a democracy. What wouldn't a political party in perpetual power do? Germany, Soviet Union, North Korea, China, Italy, Spain, Cuba. Why do you think the United States would be any different? Why do think people who had no consequences to their actions, other than to become even more popular with the party faithful, wouldn't round up anyone who dissented, and put them in private prisons? Pure profit. You sell the prison labor for pennies on the dollar. Dirty, nasty not really humans get put in their place and get taught the proper way to be an American. It's win, win. If 1 political party was in charge of all 3 branches of government, what mechanism would stop that political party from doing whatever the fuck they wanted to? The people could never vote them out.

We were very close to losing our democracy on January 6, 2021.

When 2 groups of people believe the other group is subhuman, they can take actions that are truly barbaric. Libtard, vermin, invaders, illegals, rapers, pedophiles, groomers, baby killers, not real Americans. Why wouldn't you round these vile criminals up and put them in private prisons? It the American thing to do.

Homelander did nothing wrong! Round up the Starlighters! Make America Super Again!

[Mr. X]

We were very close to losing our democracy on January 6, 2021.

Oh please! Some guy in a buffalo hat was going to take over the free world?

[jlocke]

We were very close to losing our democracy on January 6, 2021.

Oh please! Some guy in a buffalo hat was going to take over the free world?

I'm not sure you really understand how the transfer of power works in the United States. A group of Donald Trump supporters were trying to stop the counting of the electoral votes. The electoral votes are made up of a slate of electors from each state. Donald Trump had fake electors, ready to go and vote for him. From states he lost. Directly thwarting the will of the people. Donald Trump supporters tried to abduct VP Pence and keep him from certifying the 2020 election results. They got really close. The door where Ashli Babbit got shot was the last barrier before the mob would have been able to get to him. That's why she got fucking shot.

But yeah, if you want to reduce a vast plot to overturn the 2020 election results and instead focus on the Mentally disturbed vegan guy, sure.

It's your political side, so they obviously weren't doing anything wrong.

Like a mob of brown people invaded the Capitol building while they were trying to count Donald Trumps electoral victory and HIllary just happen to have an illegal slate of electors ready to cast fraudulent votes. And an angry mob tried to grab Joe Biden so he couldn't approve Donald Trump as President. Well, then maybe you might feel differently about it.

It's not really a left vs right thing.

It's a we have a functioning democracy or we don't thing.

[Mr. X]

We were very close to losing our democracy on January 6, 2021.

Oh please! Some guy in a buffalo hat was going to take over the free world?

I'm not sure you really understand how the transfer of power works in the United States. A group of Donald Trump supporters were trying to stop the counting of the electoral votes. The electoral votes are made up of a slate of electors from each state. Donald Trump had fake electors, ready to go and vote for him. From states he lost. Directly thwarting the will of the people. Donald Trump supporters tried to abduct VP Pence and keep him from certifying the 2020 election results. They got really close. The door where Ashli Babbit got shot was the last barrier before the mob would have been able to get to him. That's why she got fucking shot.

But yeah, if you want to reduce a vast plot to overturn the 2020 election results and instead focus on the Mentally disturbed vegan guy, sure.

It's your political side, so they obviously weren't doing anything wrong.

Like a mob of brown people invaded the Capitol building while they were trying to count Donald Trumps electoral victory and HIllary just happen to have an illegal slate of electors ready to cast fraudulent votes. And an angry mob tried to grab Joe Biden so he couldn't approve Donald Trump as President. Well, then maybe you might feel differently about it.

It's not really a left vs right thing.

It's a we have a functioning democracy or we don't thing.

Nonsense. The may 29th people were more violent. Nobody was going to stop anything. Its not my political side. Mob of brown people? now you put race into this?

Not sure where you got this sci fi story from but its absurd.

[jlocke]

We were very close to losing our democracy on January 6, 2021.

Oh please! Some guy in a buffalo hat was going to take over the free world?

I'm not sure you really understand how the transfer of power works in the United States. A group of Donald Trump supporters were trying to stop the counting of the electoral votes. The electoral votes are made up of a slate of electors from each state. Donald Trump had fake electors, ready to go and vote for him. From states he lost. Directly thwarting the will of the people. Donald Trump supporters tried to abduct VP Pence and keep him from certifying the 2020 election results. They got really close. The door where Ashli Babbit got shot was the last barrier before the mob would have been able to get to him. That's why she got fucking shot.

But yeah, if you want to reduce a vast plot to overturn the 2020 election results and instead focus on the Mentally disturbed vegan guy, sure.

It's your political side, so they obviously weren't doing anything wrong.

Like a mob of brown people invaded the Capitol building while they were trying to count Donald Trumps electoral victory and HIllary just happen to have an illegal slate of electors ready to cast fraudulent votes. And an angry mob tried to grab Joe Biden so he couldn't approve Donald Trump as President. Well, then maybe you might feel differently about it.

It's not really a left vs right thing.

It's a we have a functioning democracy or we don't thing.

Nonsense. The may 29th people were more violent. Nobody was going to stop anything. Its not my political side. Mob of brown people? now you put race into this?

Not sure where you got this sci fi story from but its absurd.

You don't seem like you understand the actual mechanism through which power is transferred peacefully in the U.S.. The mob on January 6 tried to stop that. A lot of slimy lawyers tried to stop that. A lot of fake electors tried to thwart it. A group of Donald Trump supports tried to abduct the Vice President of the United States to keep him from certifying the election. You either accept the results of a democratic election, or you don't. If you don't, and you try to take action to stop the peaceful transfer of power, you don't believe in democracy. You believe you're right, the other team is wrong, and fuck millions of voters.

[Mr. X]

I'm stopping this conversation. Its silly and distracting. Have fun with your russian conspiracy.

[jlocke]

I'm stopping this conversation. Its silly and distracting. Have fun with your russian conspiracy.

Well. Peace out. Everything I said about January 6 is easily verifiable. I certainly hope no one ever tries to disrupt the peaceful transition of power in the United States again.

Let freedom ring!

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I honestly think if you disagree with someone on basic facts you can never achieve any true agreement anyway.

[shevek]

Leaving all of that aside, I noticed something very interesting:

JLocke, myself and Mr. X all AGREED that hyper-reality and presentism is a BAD thing in superhero television shows and that it leads to bad writing.

Now, that's a bi-partisan breakthrough if I've ever seen one! Have a good night, gentlemen, and let's look forward to The Boys Season 4.

In the meantime, I'm just gonna shuffle quietly over here and make some more videos of superheroines in spandex...OK?

[jlocke]

Rewatching seasons 1-3 and 1 thing really sticks out. Anthony Starr's acting. He really nails every scene.

I think the lab scene this season was his best work. Some of that is set up in the previous seasons. When you're watching then, you almost feel sorry for Homelander, and then he does something awful again.

Behind the scenes getting ready for the lab exit. This guy is so great:

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[Heroine Addict]

Leaving all of that aside, I noticed something very interesting:

JLocke, myself and Mr. X all AGREED that hyper-reality and presentism is a BAD thing in superhero television shows and that it leads to bad writing.

Now, that's a bi-partisan breakthrough if I've ever seen one! Have a good night, gentlemen, and let's look forward to The Boys Season 4.

In the meantime, I'm just gonna shuffle quietly over here and make some more videos of superheroines in spandex...OK?

I guess that's a consequence of us living in a batshit timeline that's beyond parody. Firecracker's conspiracy theory show, for example, only changes the names and pretty much just quotes real world Qanonsense verbatim. Exaggeration would lead to accusations of strawmanning, so I think Kripke is being fair in just presenting the actual views and beliefs of a worryingly large number of people.

[shevek]

Leaving all of that aside, I noticed something very interesting:

JLocke, myself and Mr. X all AGREED that hyper-reality and presentism is a BAD thing in superhero television shows and that it leads to bad writing.

Now, that's a bi-partisan breakthrough if I've ever seen one! Have a good night, gentlemen, and let's look forward to The Boys Season 4.

In the meantime, I'm just gonna shuffle quietly over here and make some more videos of superheroines in spandex...OK?

I guess that's a consequence of us living in a batshit timeline that's beyond parody. Firecracker's conspiracy theory show, for example, only changes the names and pretty much just quotes real world Qanonsense verbatim. Exaggeration would lead to accusations of strawmanning, so I think Kripke is being fair in just presenting the actual views and beliefs of a worryingly large number of people.

No, it's not 'fair'. Because it only presents one side of the batshit timeline. There's another side of the coin where "the actual views and beliefs of a worryingly large number of [hard left] people" in the political, academic and entertainment spheres are presented as *baked into* the philosophy of the show.

Not parodied.

Chris Gore of Film Threat explains how any pretense of 'fairness' departed this show several seasons ago. Feel free to disagree but he makes his case as carefully as he always does.

I also just watched a short clip on GZero where Brian Stelter (fired from CNN because nobody was watching him) expresses his opinion that the real 'divide' is between extremists and moderates. It's probably the most sensible thing he's ever said.

The views of Kripke and his writing team aren't 'moderate'.

[Heroine Addict]

I used the word fair purely in the context of the extreme political views being almost verbatim quotations, rather than distortions. Virtually every conspiracy theory that Firecracker promoted was something that Qanoners and Pizzagaters actually believe.

Of course the show isn't balanced. Why should it be? I wouldn't expect Secular Humanist views to be given equal representation in an episode of Bibleman.

Speaking of Secular Humanists, here's Genetically Modified Skeptic's analysis of the critique of Evangelical Christianity running throughout the show:

[jlocke]

Batshit rightwing nonsense

You know Shevek, for someone who isn't an alt-right keyboard warrior, you sure do post a lot of alt-right comments. And websites. And Youtube links. And you use a lot of alt-right nonsense words. And you hate the left. And you think that a political party that is becoming more ultra right wing everyday is somehow moderate.

Are you sure, absolutely sure, that you aren't alt-right? Cause, if all the people who supported my ideas were alt-right. And all the language I used was cooked up by the alt-right. And I constantly voted for far right politicians. I might think that maybe, just maybe I was alt-right.

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

[Mr. X]

No, it's not 'fair'. Because it only presents one side of the batshit timeline. There's another side of the coin where "the actual views and beliefs of a worryingly large number of [hard left] people" in the political, academic and entertainment spheres are presented as *baked into* the philosophy of the show.

Not parodied.

Chris Gore of Film Threat explains how any pretense of 'fairness' departed this show several seasons ago. Feel free to disagree but he makes his case as carefully as he always does.

The views of Kripke and his writing team aren't 'moderate'.

This is why I maintain the left controls media, the right controls inspiration.

The left gets all inspiration (be it mockery or appropriation) from the right. Without the right, the left have no source material. They cannot make anything unique. Kripke's Supernatural was all bastardization of conservative xtian values. Or the left pulls from the past which they maintain is conservative.

[Mr. X]

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Try going a week without saying alt-right.

[jlocke]

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Try going a week without saying alt-right.

Love too. As soon as all the right wing keyboard warriors stop constantly whining, complaining, expressing their hurt fee-fees, and playing professional victim politely and respectful shut up, then I won't have to mention how right they are. Cause they'll just be normal superheroine loving perverts. Not political activist on porn forums.

[jlocke]

No, it's not 'fair'. Because it only presents one side of the batshit timeline. There's another side of the coin where "the actual views and beliefs of a worryingly large number of [hard left] people" in the political, academic and entertainment spheres are presented as *baked into* the philosophy of the show.

Not parodied.

Chris Gore of Film Threat explains how any pretense of 'fairness' departed this show several seasons ago. Feel free to disagree but he makes his case as carefully as he always does.

The views of Kripke and his writing team aren't 'moderate'.

This is why I maintain the left controls media, the right controls inspiration.

The left gets all inspiration (be it mockery or appropriation) from the right. Without the right, the left have no source material. They cannot make anything unique. Kripke's Supernatural was all bastardization of conservative xtian values. Or the left pulls from the past which they maintain is conservative.

The right has no inspiration for anyone other than the right. No one likes right wing entertainment except right wingers. No one is inspired by hating women, minorities, immigrants, trans, gay, atheist, except right wingers. The rest of us would love it if we could evolve as a species and stop hating everything that doesn't look exactly like us.

It's a dream.

[NotUv2]

This is why I maintain the left controls media, the right controls inspiration.

LFMAO! Did I call this or what? This is sure to join the ranks of constantly trotted-out inane X-isms like "the woke are today's church ladies" and "old progressive like me solved all this in the Seventies." Meanwhile, the current GOP running mate wants to outright ban porn and make his site illegal. Under no circumstances can the extremely plain facts of the real world be acknowledged, for... some reason.

[shevek]

Batshit rightwing nonsense

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Try going a week without saying alt-right.

Exactly, Mr. X.

JLocke, why don't you simply stop characterizing everything I cite as being 'alt-right', when none of it is.

For example, Film Threat isn't alt-right. It's just a film criticism channel.

GZero isn't alt-right. It's just a news and information channel founded by a political scientist who teaches at Stanford and Columbia. No way would they have Brian Stelter on to express *any* position whatsoever, if they were an alt-right channel.

Then you go ahead and indirectly accuse me of hating huge groups of people? I don't hate any of those people. Of course not. So, if that is the case, how am I even 'right wing', let alone 'alt-right'? Nothing you say makes any sense. You're accusing me of believing things that I don't believe, and tarring me with a brush where the tar doesn't even stick, creating an 'alt' version of me so you can attack me. That's the very definition of strawmanning.

You're inherently wrong about which way the Overton Window has even shifted. The truth is that opinions and policies which would have been considered purely far-left and theoretical academic matters only a generation ago have shifted into the mainstream thought of the Democratic party.

Both right-of-center conservatives and left-of-center classical liberals have noticed this trend and pushed back on it, hard. And, as a result, the emerging hard left, which has its grips on many institutions, now regards centrist opinions as being 'extremist' or 'alt-right' when they are not. They are simply THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE STATUS QUO (like, for example, the low inflation rate we were accustomed to having) as experienced by the vast majority of normies.

There is nothing 'alt-right' about pushing back on that Overton shift. If anything, it's a simple pendulum swing which American politics and culture experiences all the time.

You've swallowed some sort of mind virus. Regurgitate it back up, please, and start regarding the world as it is, rather than the way CNN's talking points or the New York Times editorial pages tell you it should be.

Start living in a society.

I guess we're even having this repartee because The Boys' Season 4 is over, we all have our set opinions on it, and there's nothing more to discuss other than political ramifications. Since we're not going to get anywhere doing that, I'd rather just end this thread so I don't have to see any more
female politicians in sexy superheroine costumes. (If there's one profession where one cannot get away with having a superheroine identity, it's got to be politics. Victoria Neuman being a prime example.)

[Mr. X]

This is why I maintain the left controls media, the right controls inspiration.

LFMAO! Did I call this or what? This is sure to join the ranks of constantly trotted-out inane X-isms like "the woke are today's church ladies" and "old progressive like me solved all this in the Seventies." Meanwhile, the current GOP running mate wants to outright ban porn and make his site illegal. Under no circumstances can the extremely plain facts of the real world be acknowledged, for... some reason.

I'm not on the side of the right I just don't believe going forward is fighting old fights from the 80s.

[jlocke]

Batshit rightwing nonsense

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Here's a challenge. Try to go a week without saying "woke". If you can do it, you might not be alt-right. But...

Try going a week without saying alt-right.

Exactly, Mr. X.

JLocke, why don't you simply stop characterizing everything I cite as being 'alt-right', when none of it is.

More right wing nonsense.

I've explained this like, every time we have this conversation. Stop acting like a right wing troll, stop constantly using language that only far right people use, and I'll stop call you right wing. Stop bringing up right wing arguments, talking points, and wet dream fantasies in every topic. And then no one will think you are right wing.

If everyone stopped the stupid us vs them, my team vs your team, ridiculous U.S. Politics. Then I would be very, very, very, very happy.

So would the peacekeepers.

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[shevek]

I've explained this like, every time we have this conversation. Stop acting like a right wing troll, stop constantly using language that only far right people use, and I'll stop call you right wing. Stop bringing up right wing arguments, talking points, and wet dream fantasies in every topic. And then no one will think you are right wing.

If everyone stopped the stupid us vs them, my team vs your team, ridiculous U.S. Politics. Then I would be very, very, very, very happy.

And I've explained it back. I've tried to be nice, but ultimately, at this point I'm just going to say you're FULL OF SHIT.

I don't use *any* language that "only far right people" use. That's just lies. And you are strawmanning, creating an enemy that just isn't there, which is unfortunately far too often what "progressives" tend to do in order to appear as if they have the high ground. You don't.

"Us vs them"? YOU ARE THE ONE CREATING THAT DIVISION by calling me "far right" in the first place. If you look at my statements, I was trying to CREATE UNITY (not division) by implying that you, me and Mr X all basically agree that the hyper-real approach of The Boys is off-putting. Do we all agree on that? And do we all agree that The Boys has a strong leftist bias? Great. Then there are no teams, are there? We all believe the same thing!

My suggestion? Stop insinuating that centrists are against you. We're not. We just don't want to accept the hard-left concepts that you've dragged from academia into the mainstream. You know which concepts they are. We don't need them, we don't want them. And neither do the vast majority of normal everyday people.

[jlocke]

I've explained this like, every time we have this conversation. Stop acting like a right wing troll, stop constantly using language that only far right people use, and I'll stop call you right wing. Stop bringing up right wing arguments, talking points, and wet dream fantasies in every topic. And then no one will think you are right wing.

If everyone stopped the stupid us vs them, my team vs your team, ridiculous U.S. Politics. Then I would be very, very, very, very happy.

And I've explained it back. I've tried to be nice, but ultimately, at this point I'm just going to say you're FULL OF SHIT.

I don't use *any* language that "only far right people" use. That's just lies. And you are strawmanning, creating an enemy that just isn't there, which is unfortunately far too often what "progressives" tend to do in order to appear as if they have the high ground. You don't.

"Us vs them"? YOU ARE THE ONE CREATING THAT DIVISION by calling me "far right" in the first place. If you look at my statements, I was trying to CREATE UNITY (not division) by implying that you, me and Mr X all basically agree that the hyper-real approach of The Boys is off-putting. Do we all agree on that? And do we all agree that The Boys has a strong leftist bias? Great. Then there are no teams, are there? We all believe the same thing!

My suggestion? Stop insinuating that centrists are against you. We're not. We just don't want to accept the hard-left concepts that you've dragged from academia into the mainstream. You know which concepts they are. We don't need them, we don't want them. And neither do the vast majority of normal everyday people.

Absolutely no one who isn't far right bitches about the stuff you do. Only far right people constantly refer to "woke" things. The rest of us hear that shit and just think, "Wow, that's really embarrassing. Who still says stuff like that?"

I've got an idea. If you don't talk about politics, we'll never know whether you're right, alt-right, or far right. We won't know anything about your political leanings at all. But you can't shut the fuck up about politics for more than 30 seconds.

[wunderladyyy]

Someone has sucked all the joy out of this thread due to politics. I really wanted to see if there is some superheroine fun from this thread since I don't watch The Boys series but it kept getting bombarded by this one guy's obsession with US politics and conspiracies. What an absolute killjoy!

[jlocke]

Someone has sucked all the joy out of this thread due to politics. I really wanted to see if there is some superheroine fun from this thread since I don't watch The Boys series but it kept getting bombarded by this one guy's obsession with US politics and conspiracies. What an absolute killjoy!

If you scan this thread and just keep your eyes out for blue camouflage, you could enjoy a wonderful part of season 4.

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Seriously. Blue Camouflage. All 4 pages. Firecracker is amazing. I would highly recommend this season just for her.

[theScribbler]

Someone has sucked all the joy out of this thread due to politics. I really wanted to see if there is some superheroine fun from this thread since I don't watch The Boys series but it kept getting bombarded by this one guy's obsession with US politics and conspiracies. What an absolute killjoy!

Super common in any thread shevek participates in. Years and years of it. Sad.

shevek =

[Mr. X]

Someone has sucked all the joy out of this thread due to politics. I really wanted to see if there is some superheroine fun from this thread since I don't watch The Boys series but it kept getting bombarded by this one guy's obsession with US politics and conspiracies. What an absolute killjoy!

If you scan this thread and just keep your eyes out for blue camouflage, you could enjoy a wonderful part of season 4.


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Seriously. Blue Camouflage. All 4 pages. Firecracker is amazing. I would highly recommend this season just for her.

Only two episodes had anything worth while. The rest of the reason is pretty dry.

I remember Supernatural was like this as well. No real fan services unless you like men.

[shevek]

Someone has sucked all the joy out of this thread due to politics. I really wanted to see if there is some superheroine fun from this thread since I don't watch The Boys series but it kept getting bombarded by this one guy's obsession with US politics and conspiracies. What an absolute killjoy!

Super common in any thread shevek participates in. Years and years of it. Sad.

The showrunners of The Boys are the ones who have the obsession with "US politics and conspiracies". Not me. I've never even mentioned a conspiracy even once.

It's not 'sucking all the joy out of this thread' to talk about the politics of The Boys. The show is the most obviously political superhero series ever created. It's so on-the-nose topical that there's an episode called "Assassination Run" and a quote about 'invoking the 25th amendment" (something that Biden's critics have been talking about this week!).

And Kripke himself even takes ownership of the supposedly dreaded term 'woke'.
Why does anyone on here have a problem with it, when he doesn't?
 He's proud to own the term, and he has stated clearly:
“Anyone who wants to call the show ‘woke’ or whatever, that’s OK."

He also says: "Go watch something else."
Sure, in heaven, everything is fine - you've got your good things, and I've got mine.
But this isn't heaven. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose free will.

Walking away from the show isn't the only response someone can have. One can also stick around and watch it for what it is: gory violence and body horror, and occasional moments of 'superheroine fun', but also absolutely drenched in progressive politics.

Politics doesn't clog up any given thread about The Boys. There are political discussions about The Boys all over the Internet.

What clogs up the thread are the irrelevant AI art creations by JLocke, because those real-world politicians AREN'T in The Boys universe. They belong in a separate thread called "Sexy female politicians in superheroine costumes." They are exactly what a moderator would call "off topic".

Besides, now that Season 4 is complete, and there won't be another one for two years, what else is there to talk about, other than a few screen grabs of Firecracker?

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And yet...maybe there is something new to pivot the discussion.

Katy Perry has made a new video called "Woman's World". Most people are saying that it's utterly terrible, with boring cliched lyrics that evoke a mid-2010's self-empowerment video, and that it's more of a parody of feminism than anything else..

The reason why I'm mentioning it here is that hundreds of commenters on the video (which has been ratioed down at about 2 to 1) are saying how the video looks like a Vought propaganda piece. Not just because of the cringy predictable imagery but also because she has this superheroine/adventuress persona with a pair of retro-futuristic cybernetic legs.

In the video, there's a considerable sequence where she is in the desert at a dusty gas station, and she inserts the gas nozzle into her ass to recharge her legs' cybernetic powers. This does seem very "Boys", like a Supe who gets her powers from metabolizing gasoline and drives a monster truck would be something Kripke and crew might think of...with the same kind of critique of middle America he's offering with Firecracker.

But the fact that many people are thinking "Vought" while watching this innocuously cringey video definitely indicates that The Boys has been around long enough to add to the sociopolitical parodic 'deconstructive' lexicon that stretches back to Idiocracy, Demolition Man, Brazil and yes, Watchmen.

Somehow, I like the idea of a zoomer superheroine influencer...let's call her "Guzzler"...who has gas-powered cybernetic legs but no real need to design a complicated costume like the kind you might see from LJ Supersuits. She already gets millions of hits on Instagram just wearing a bikini. So Rizz!

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[sneakly]

The presumption that a fictional show, book, song or movie has to be balanced makes no sense. The A-Team and the Rambo movies both right wing boners. Are you expecting Atlas Shrugged to depict the life of colored factory workers? Or Huck Finn to show the positive side of slavery. To claim that one side gets is taking the lions share of the media is also nonsensical. There are entire channels dedicated to right wing religious content, with their own superheros. Is the Punisher some left wing avacado to toast eating leftie? The Boys was a political thriller with superheroes instead of Matt Damon and Julie Styles.

News and information programming supposedly are supposed to be at least factually correct, but that doesn't stop them from having a viewpoint.

If you buy into characters that can fly and shoot laser beams of their eyes, but not look past the implied politics of the story line, don't watch the show.

[shevek]

The presumption that a fictional show, book, song or movie has to be balanced makes no sense. nt.

If you buy into characters that can fly and shoot laser beams of their eyes, but not look past the implied politics of the story line, don't watch the show.

You're missing all of my points. It's almost like we're talking past each other? So I hope to make this clear.

I never once said the show had to be "balanced". I was never 'requiring' it to be anything other than what it is.
If someone imposed 'political fairness' on Kripke, that'd be censorship, right?

I simply noted that the politics is there, but:
- It's not 'implied'. It's in-your-face, shoved down your throat at every possible moment.
- Initially, the show made some attempt at skewering both sides, but by the 4th season it dropped all pretense and went 100% in one direction.
- I'm talking about the politics of a show which is intensely topical, but people are attacking me for not having the same politics as them, or even making up strawman ideas about who I am. I'm not the topic of the thread. The show and its mostly 'woke' content is the topic of the thread.

And finally, to address your final point: NO. I will watch the fucking show if I want to watch the fucking show.

The "it's not for you" argument that progressives make when they rampage through Hollywood, pillaging and ruining franchises, doesn't apply here. The Boys has sexy superheroines and gory violence. Therefore, it definitely IS for me. So, I want to see it, the way I want to see The Expanse or Invincible, because it has plenty of elements that I enjoy, like costumes and powers and science-fiction tropes. I don't want to avoid The Boys the way I would give no attention to, say, The Acolyte or Rings of Power.

Don't be like Kelly Sue DeConnick ("if you don't like my politics, then don't buy my book.")

It's interesting, though, how The Boys has been around long enough as a pop culture phenomenon for millions to notice when a real-world situation seems a little bit too much like Vought. That's the point of Kripke's political commentary in the show, right? It's having an effect.

[jlocke]

The presumption that a fictional show, book, song or movie has to be balanced makes no sense. nt.

If you buy into characters that can fly and shoot laser beams of their eyes, but not look past the implied politics of the story line, don't watch the show.

You're missing all of my points. It's almost like we're talking past each other? So I hope to make this clear.

I never once said the show had to be "balanced". I was never 'requiring' it to be anything other than what it is.
If someone imposed 'political fairness' on Kripke, that'd be censorship, right?

I simply noted that the politics is there, but:
- It's not 'implied'. It's in-your-face, shoved down your throat at every possible moment.
- Initially, the show made some attempt at skewering both sides, but by the 4th season it dropped all pretense and went 100% in one direction.
- I'm talking about the politics of a show which is intensely topical, but people are attacking me for not having the same politics as them, or even making up strawman ideas about who I am. I'm not the topic of the thread. The show and its mostly 'woke' content is the topic of the thread.

And finally, to address your final point: NO. I will watch the fucking show if I want to watch the fucking show.

The "it's not for you" argument that progressives make when they rampage through Hollywood, pillaging and ruining franchises, doesn't apply here. The Boys has sexy superheroines and gory violence. Therefore, it definitely IS for me. So, I want to see it, the way I want to see The Expanse or Invincible, because it has plenty of elements that I enjoy, like costumes and powers and science-fiction tropes. I don't want to avoid The Boys the way I would give no attention to, say, The Acolyte or Rings of Power.

Don't be like Kelly Sue DeConnick ("if you don't like my politics, then don't buy my book.")

It's interesting, though, how The Boys has been around long enough as a pop culture phenomenon for millions to notice when a real-world situation seems a little bit too much like Vought. That's the point of Kripke's political commentary in the show, right? It's having an effect.

No one wants to read to your ultra political ravings. No one missed your points. We all have functioning brains and can comprehend your right wing view point. Poor, poor victimized right winger. Why won't Hollywood stop hurting you?

I think the solution is to hate watch another show and bitch about it on a porn forum. That will really change things.

[sneakly]

The presumption that a fictional show, book, song or movie has to be balanced makes no sense. nt.

If you buy into characters that can fly and shoot laser beams of their eyes, but not look past the implied politics of the story line, don't watch the show.

You're missing all of my points. It's almost like we're talking past each other? So I hope to make this clear.

I never once said the show had to be "balanced". I was never 'requiring' it to be anything other than what it is.
If someone imposed 'political fairness' on Kripke, that'd be censorship, right?

I simply noted that the politics is there, but:
- It's not 'implied'. It's in-your-face, shoved down your throat at every possible moment.
- Initially, the show made some attempt at skewering both sides, but by the 4th season it dropped all pretense and went 100% in one direction.
- I'm talking about the politics of a show which is intensely topical, but people are attacking me for not having the same politics as them, or even making up strawman ideas about who I am. I'm not the topic of the thread. The show and its mostly 'woke' content is the topic of the thread.

And finally, to address your final point: NO. I will watch the fucking show if I want to watch the fucking show.

The "it's not for you" argument that progressives make when they rampage through Hollywood, pillaging and ruining franchises, doesn't apply here. The Boys has sexy superheroines and gory violence. Therefore, it definitely IS for me. So, I want to see it, the way I want to see The Expanse or Invincible, because it has plenty of elements that I enjoy, like costumes and powers and science-fiction tropes. I don't want to avoid The Boys the way I would give no attention to, say, The Acolyte or Rings of Power.

Don't be like Kelly Sue DeConnick ("if you don't like my politics, then don't buy my book.")

It's interesting, though, how The Boys has been around long enough as a pop culture phenomenon for millions to notice when a real-world situation seems a little bit too much like Vought. That's the point of Kripke's political commentary in the show, right? It's having an effect.

Did I address it to you? No, I made a global statement about fictional stories. A number of people have griped about the politics of the show.

[Mr. X]

Did I address it to you? No, I made a global statement about fictional stories. A number of people have griped about the politics of the show.

Does raise a point that if the show is slathering on a one sided political view and its extremely obvious then why would politics be off limits.

[jlocke]

Did I address it to you? No, I made a global statement about fictional stories. A number of people have griped about the politics of the show.

Does raise a point that if the show is slathering on a one sided political view and its extremely obvious then why would politics be off limits.

Because every discussion about politics on this porn forum turns into a shit show. And it's really fucking annoying. Also, the owner of the forum banned politics. Because every discussion about politics turned into a shit show.

Dignity says:
If you hate something, don't put it inside you. Just say no.

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[DonShip]

I'm good with pretty much all of the above political figures being betrayed topless, except Hilary. Yikes! I do not want that image in my head. Nope. Nonono.

[jlocke]

I'm good with pretty much all of the above political figures being betrayed topless, except Hilary. Yikes! I do not want that image in my head. Nope. Nonono.

Sorry DonShip, Madam Peace, the leader of the peacekeepers, bears a striking resemblance to the former First Lady/Senator/Secretary of State/Candidate for President. She's also Golden Girl's guardian, so she is helping.

[theScribbler]

[sneakly]

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And yet...maybe there is something new to pivot the discussion.

Katy Perry has made a new video called "Woman's World". Most people are saying that it's utterly terrible, with boring cliched lyrics that evoke a mid-2010's self-empowerment video, and that it's more of a parody of feminism than anything else..

The reason why I'm mentioning it here is that hundreds of commenters on the video (which has been ratioed down at about 2 to 1) are saying how the video looks like a Vought propaganda piece. Not just because of the cringy predictable imagery but also because she has this superheroine/adventuress persona with a pair of retro-futuristic cybernetic legs.

In the video, there's a considerable sequence where she is in the desert at a dusty gas station, and she inserts the gas nozzle into her ass to recharge her legs' cybernetic powers. This does seem very "Boys", like a Supe who gets her powers from metabolizing gasoline and drives a monster truck would be something Kripke and crew might think of...with the same kind of critique of middle America he's offering with Firecracker.

But the fact that many people are thinking "Vought" while watching this innocuously cringey video definitely indicates that The Boys has been around long enough to add to the sociopolitical parodic 'deconstructive' lexicon that stretches back to Idiocracy, Demolition Man, Brazil and yes, Watchmen.

Somehow, I like the idea of a zoomer superheroine influencer...let's call her "Guzzler"...who has gas-powered cybernetic legs but no real need to design a complicated costume like the kind you might see from LJ Supersuits. She already gets millions of hits on Instagram just wearing a bikini. So Rizz!

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I am not going to object to a preacher's daughter in a start spangled bikini squeezing her big gelatinous tits together center screen. Katy Perry does does look good in this video. I would definitely not object to her doing series of Heroine vidoes with this theme. Maybe have Little Kim playing the lesbian supervillian planning of orgasming Katy to death in her fur cover dungeon.....

[jlocke]

What is the biggest WTF moment so far of the entire series? I think I agree with a lot of the cast. That sneeze was so fucked up.

[jlocke]

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I really didn't think both of these babes would survive the season. What's the over/under on Season 5 opening with Sage getting double teamed by Black Noir and The Deep?

[jlocke]

Firecracker fan art! Not my creations. There are other Firecracker fans!

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[americanafan]

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I really didn't think both of these babes would survive the season. What's the over/under on Season 5 opening with Sage getting double teamed by Black Noir and The Deep?

Did not care about the show, but now you‘ve got me Firecracker pilled and now I‘m worried about how things will end for her. Good job, man…

[sneakly]

I think HomeLander kills Firecracker. He killed Black Noir. I think he likes her loyalty, but she is a sycophant and will get rid of her when it suits his needs.

[americanafan]

I think HomeLander kills Firecracker. He killed Black Noir. I think he likes her loyalty, but she is a sycophant and will get rid of her when it suits his needs.

That show, there‘s no way she makes it through it. Which is really cruel when you have to anticipate her demise…

[CIA]

I was very disappointed with the show this year. Too much man on man gayness for me. I didn't;t sign up for that when I invested time in the show. And the girls get uglier overall. I'm seeing way more nepotism in that Quaid kid too. He's the weak link. And finally, the progressive woke nonsense was just over the top.

[jlocke]

I was very disappointed with the show this year. Too much man on man gayness for me. I didn't;t sign up for that when I invested time in the show. And the girls get uglier overall. I'm seeing way more nepotism in that Quaid kid too. He's the weak link. And finally, the progressive woke nonsense was just over the top.

You're high! Firecracker is amazing!

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[Mr. X]

I was very disappointed with the show this year. Too much man on man gayness for me. I didn't;t sign up for that when I invested time in the show. And the girls get uglier overall. I'm seeing way more nepotism in that Quaid kid too. He's the weak link. And finally, the progressive woke nonsense was just over the top.

Yeah I always wondered why they got rid of Maeve and why they horribly under utilized her.

The running joke on Supernatural was Dean was all hot for busty Asian Milfs but the show never had any busty asian milfs. (kripke's work for half the show run).

[jlocke]

Firecracker fanart:

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[shevek]

This happened over the past weekend in Northern Ireland. Or, at least, it happened according to Valorie Curry. Somebody *may* have taken things quite a bit too far. I say *may*, because nobody's been able to corroborate her story with any kind of witnesses or video. Her comments were covered on multiple news sites such as Cinema Blend.

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