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Superheroines created by an AI

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So, has anyone experimented with AIs?

My experiences are very hit and miss, but mostly miss. Creating something decent with an AI is hard. Sometimes you get a great-looking character or environment, but most of the time you really need to fight the prompt and inpaint every detail, and repeat the same thing dozens of times.

For example I made this superheroine version of a space marine in Stable Diffusion:

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You can make standard superheroines by using their movie counterparts, which most AIs understand:

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The worst thing is the available models have been heavily curated and do not understand a single thing about sex, peril, or bondage (not even mild things you'd see on TV: words like tied, chained or handcuffed are either banned or useless since they are not in the training set).

I've been trying to force the AI to produce some peril scenes with little luck. You can try to force it using image to image techniques, but the end result is poor IMHO and looks photoshopped or wrong. Here is for example my attempt at a buried alive scene:

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You *can* use AIs to get NSFW results, in part because dedicated people have been training models for that. In fact, a NSFW model improves everything because it produces better hands and bodies (just like drawing better bodies requires you to study nudes for anatomy).

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I did once, but the results were terrrible. Most of what the AI created had no head or face. And the worst part is that it had forbidden words, so when I noticed that the AI produced most of the heroines kind of very fat, I prompted it to be "thin"... it turned out to be forbidden input.
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It's in its infancy and growing incredibly quickly. It won't be THAT long before the things easy to get to do peril stuff. All you really need to do is program the thing to learn from sites like Rule 34 and you'll have an AI that is an expert in bondage images and the like.
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Femina wrote: 2 weeks ago It's in its infancy and growing incredibly quickly. It won't be THAT long before the things easy to get to do peril stuff. All you really need to do is program the thing to learn from sites like Rule 34 and you'll have an AI that is an expert in bondage images and the like.
I hope so. At the moment the models I've tested which have been trained on bondage have been disappointing. The AI tends to do nonsensical stuff with complex things like machinery, even when trained to do so, because the rules behind that are too complex and it's not able to infer them. The same thing seems to apply to ropes.

You could go a long way with image edits (inpainting and full image conversions), too. It gives a new meaning to the concept of photo edits, which was 90% of the stuff you would find about superheroines in the early days.

It's unfortunate how the existing companies are staying away from NSFW. There is value in NSFW training even for non-NSFW stuff because the AI ends up drawing hands and bodies much better, it seems like it just acquires more knowledge about anatomy (just like real painters train using nude models). Currently, you can further train the open source models with NSFW images (and that's where the current NSFW stuff comes from) but at the end of the day that's limited compared to a big model.
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Bladebur wrote: 2 weeks ago It's unfortunate how the existing companies are staying away from NSFW. There is value in NSFW training even for non-NSFW stuff because the AI ends up drawing hands and bodies much better, it seems like it just acquires more knowledge about anatomy (just like real painters train using nude models). Currently, you can further train the open source models with NSFW images (and that's where the current NSFW stuff comes from) but at the end of the day that's limited compared to a big model.
They're cagey on it for understandable reasons. It's a completely terrifying prospect... the idea that we could just get the computer top deliver us groups of pictures to our exact specifications about ANYTHING at any time is not a technology you should just dive into without thinking about........ this was probably a 'Could I, but SHOULD I?" situation... but they already did it now so... eventually it'll do the stuff us rogues out here want it to. I've been fussing with one included with a cool little writing AI assist and it's actually created some stuff REAL close to some of my own oc characters (albeit in an anime style).
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Femina wrote: 2 weeks ago They're cagey on it for understandable reasons. It's a completely terrifying prospect... the idea that we could just get the computer top deliver us groups of pictures to our exact specifications about ANYTHING at any time is not a technology you should just dive into without thinking about........ this was probably a 'Could I, but SHOULD I?" situation... but they already did it now so... eventually it'll do the stuff us rogues out here want it to. I've been fussing with one included with a cool little writing AI assist and it's actually created some stuff REAL close to some of my own oc characters (albeit in an anime style).
Just yesterday, Stable Diffusion 2.0 was released and the biggest change they made is adding heavy censorship to the entire dataset, removing all the NSFW content. Previously, they had a filter for generated images (one you could disable if you run your own copy locally) and the text engine required further training, but the data was there. Seems like generating NSFW content is going to get way more difficult in the future (they are also facing backslash because they seem to have also removed famous artists, which the AI no longer recognizes, but that's an artifact of an internal change and they can be brought back with training; not the case with NSFW).

I don't even understand the problem of having the computer generate fake images for you. Computers have been capable of producing fake images for a long time, technology just makes it easier. Why is having the ability to produce a fake photo of a celebrity having sex such a problem? The Internet is already full of those. You can produce *very* convincing photoshopped images, I'd say way better than what an AI is capable of. This all sounds like wanting to stop selling paintbrushes (or selling only crippled ones) because you don't want the prospect of some student producing a fake Mona Lisa and scamming someone.
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Bladebur wrote: 2 weeks ago
Femina wrote: 2 weeks ago They're cagey on it for understandable reasons. It's a completely terrifying prospect... the idea that we could just get the computer top deliver us groups of pictures to our exact specifications about ANYTHING at any time is not a technology you should just dive into without thinking about........ this was probably a 'Could I, but SHOULD I?" situation... but they already did it now so... eventually it'll do the stuff us rogues out here want it to. I've been fussing with one included with a cool little writing AI assist and it's actually created some stuff REAL close to some of my own oc characters (albeit in an anime style).
Just yesterday, Stable Diffusion 2.0 was released and the biggest change they made is adding heavy censorship to the entire dataset, removing all the NSFW content. Previously, they had a filter for generated images (one you could disable if you run your own copy locally) and the text engine required further training, but the data was there. Seems like generating NSFW content is going to get way more difficult in the future (they are also facing backslash because they seem to have also removed famous artists, which the AI no longer recognizes, but that's an artifact of an internal change and they can be brought back with training; not the case with NSFW).

I don't even understand the problem of having the computer generate fake images for you. Computers have been capable of producing fake images for a long time, technology just makes it easier. Why is having the ability to produce a fake photo of a celebrity having sex such a problem? The Internet is already full of those. You can produce *very* convincing photoshopped images, I'd say way better than what an AI is capable of. This all sounds like wanting to stop selling paintbrushes (or selling only crippled ones) because you don't want the prospect of some student producing a fake Mona Lisa and scamming someone.
Yeah but that's logical for a first step to take. One day AI imaging is just gonna be a thing people can basically string together fairly lazily. ONE day someone will make 'the black market' AI imaging tech that ignores all forms of censorship... The Pirate Bay of AI imaging... its inevitable... but so long as they are in development and all parties involved known... then it makes a lot of sense for them to cover their asses where stuff like this is concerned. They don't want people to be able to make pictures of REAL people in compromising situations... this is a logical thing to want. With cyber bullying already one of the youth's biggest problems, just wait until the school bully can produce a crop of 'nudes' of someone who hasn't ever taken nude pictures? Human beings SUCK, and the more tools you give them to suck the worse we get.

There's PLENTY about AI image generation to WORRY about, frankly... there's a lot to be excited about too, but just going by most historical contexts humans don't have a great track record with not making a thing the worst version of the thing it can possibly be. Right now we're in the idealistic development phase... but once that ends we move to either the profiteering, or else full on chaos. Neither are really ideal. Things are gonna get worse before they get better... but as they get worse we'll likely get to use it for what we WANT to use it for... for better or worse.

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