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Gotham Knights TV show [CW]

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Three writers of the Batwoman production are developing a "Gotham Knights" TV show!

https://deadline.com/2021/12/gotham-kni ... 234890384/
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Right now I'm careful as we know only little and I am afraid as hell that they will have a Batgirl in a Burnside costume with an eye mask or that "helmet" thingy (aka cowl without a chinstrap).
But it does sound really great to have another TV show that will have masked female vigilantes and villainesses in it!
Already there are speculations that this TV show might be some sort of successor when the Batwoman TV show would end.
If that really is the case it would be good to have some sort of replacement like this new show, and I (and others) would have something to look forward to.
But right now, in the middle of season 3 of Batwoman, there is no news about a 4th season....so far.
Perhaps they will make the 4th season and then Gotham Knights would be the next show after the 4th season has been aired.
Or both shows will run simultaneously at the CW.
Hopefully, there will be news soon.

So folks you can now make your "why does it have to be on the CW?" posts..... ;)
I am looking forward to this show in the meantime....
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I'm more concerned that they are three 'writers' from BW which is one of the worst written shows I've ever come across.
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Maybe it too will have some really great gay and lesbian characters, imagine a villainess that is a lesbian that loves to hate Batgirl and when they fight the sexual tension is obvious, maybe even some light kissing to the masked face of BG!!!
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My biggest concern is that it's a CW superhero show.

Those are the WORST.
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With the already bad writers, it's off to a bad start. Still there is a faint hope that after the pilot they get better writers.
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I expect them to work in a different Gotham City from Batwoman, like normal for CW shows. Sorta like how there have been THREE different versions of the Fortress of Solitude, between Smallville, Supergirl, and Superman & Lois. Worse with the SG/SM shows since they should be in the same universe, but have such differing Fortresses. CW can't share stages between shows?
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Research, my Maskripping colleague! :)

There are only two things called "Gotham Knights" in the DC product line.

The first one is a comic book series that ran from 2000-2006 and for most of its run, it was written by Devin Grayson, the first female to write an ongoing Batman title. It was about "the exploits of Batman and his extended family, such as Alfred Pennyworth, Batgirl, Nightwing, Robin, Oracle, and Catwoman" and the latter part of the run focused more on Batman's enemies (e.g. Mr Freeze). It was pretty highly acclaimed. I doubt that has much to do with this upcoming TV show or the Deadline article would have mentioned the comic specifically, and Devin Grayson, rather than hearkening back to the old chestnuts Bob Kane and Bill Finger.

The second one is a video game which hasn't come out yet, but will be released in 2022. I'm guessing that's what the show is about, too - it's a tie-in into selling the video game at the same time. The story of the video game is that it "takes place in a period of decline for Gotham City, after Batman's apparent death. Dark Knight's former partners - Nightwing, Batgirl, Robin, and Red Hood - who have gone their separate ways, but must work together once more to restore justice to Gotham and prevent it from descending into chaos. At some point, the heroes will come into conflict with the Court of Owls, a secret criminal society that is as old as Gotham itself, and their legion of brainwashed assassins called Talons, while also investigating Batman's death."

But the video game looks like it presents those four Batman protege characters in their classic comic book appearances.
Batgirl's costume is quite tight and attractive (not the Burnside version, thankfully I think that's come and gone).
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Yet I find it hard to believe that a team as progressive-minded as the Batwoman writers' lineup (considering what they programmed for three seasons on the CW) is going to limit their major characters to the obvious lack of diversity seen above. So I think if they cast for character diversity, and add extra characters to the core four (Spoiler, Cassandra Cain, Batwing, Signal, etc) that bodes well for Batgirl1969's chances of at least seeing some fleeting lesbian action...maybe?

However, there's one line in that Deadline article that throws me off:
"In the wake of Bruce Wayne’s murder, his rebellious adopted son forges an unlikely alliance with the children of Batman’s enemies when they are all framed for killing the Caped Crusader." I'm thinking this means that the four core Batman characters listed above ally with the "children of enemies" against the Court of Owls, but who exactly are these children? I mean, are we going to see Duela Dent, Ethan Cobblepot, or Joker's Daughter? (who isn't really Joker's actual daughter anyway). What other "children of enemies" are there? (I can't think of any.) Or will they just make them up from whole cloth for this series?
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I'm sure it will be a rollicking thrill ride of magic and wonderment that all will enjoy.
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I agree Shevek with the lineup there certainly will be a lesbian pairing between someone, I just hope Batgirl finds herself in an uncomfortable scenario where she feels bi-curious and let's her inhibitions get the best of her and she gives in to an intense make out session with a lesbian character, adding to the sexual tension as well as the adversarial tensions, like She-Ra and Catra, And now Supergirl is dating Wonder Woman, imagine the bondage sessions those two have!!!!
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batgirl1969 wrote: 5 months ago And now Supergirl is dating Wonder Woman, imagine the bondage sessions those two have!!!!
OMG, you weren't just fantasizing, this is really happening.

https://www.polygon.com/2021/12/13/2282 ... -dc-comics

Albeit in an alternate universe which isn't canon..but you can be sure that this is just the latest of several gradual steps (since 2015's Bombshells) in the "long march" taken to advance the Wonder Woman character to a position where she can be officially declared lesbian in the near future in the main DC universe.

It's also interesting to note how this is being planned. The same people who want this to happen are the same types who
intricately analyze "power dynamics" in a world where they consider everything to be political, so they realized that there was really almost no other choice than picking "Supergirl" as Wonder Woman's beau, because anything else would exhibit extreme power imbalance. What were their other choices - maybe Nubia or Maxima? Jessica Cruz? DC just doesn't have any other women at the power level of these two. Anything else would have been "punching down."

This makes it very interesting to think whom they actually *will* pick in the main universe, when it comes down to it, because it seems they have almost no other choice than the real Kara Zor-El. When they do, that will leave *no straight women* at the top power level in the DC universe - a prospect about which I'm sure Batgirl1969 is salivating. And out of the holy "sexy trinity", only one will be straight (Batgirl).

Which brings us back to Gotham Knights - just so it doesn't look like I'm steering this thread too much off topic. In the Gotham Knights video game, there is only one woman amongst those four main Batman-progeny characters - the straight Batgirl, Barbara Gordon. She has never expressed any lesbian feelings in any comic book (much like the Tim Drake situation).

If, as the Deadline article states, there will be the progeny of Batman villains as part of the main cast of the Gotham Knights TV series...then the chances are good that the writers, who have written lesbian relationships into Batwoman for 3 seasons, will give Barbara Gordon at least a passing lesbian fancy with one of the young villainesses in the cast (again, I can only speculate as to whom that will be, since there is a limited palette for them to paint from unless they create new young villains just for the show) for that will-they-won't-they adversarial tension that Batgirl1969 mentions. I am making an educated guess that will happen.

If that is the case, then you can look forward in the near future (within the next five years?) to all three of the DC characters whom you most enjoy seeing in SHIP videos becoming lesbian or bisexual in DC Universe canon. Add Harley and Ivy to that group, and that makes five. So in a sense, it works very well for us in the SHIP forum because the demand for those kinds of girl-on-girl fantasies will increase, and that is a hot prospect.

Does it work for a straight woman who just wants to "see herself" in a powerful and well-known DC comic book character? Not so much. Whom will she have left? Black Canary, Huntress, Starfire, Donna Troy, that's about it. None of them are really at the top echelon that almost anyone would automatically recognize.
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@shevek:
Yeah, I know about the video game and the old comic series. ;-)
The costume Batgirl has in most of the screenshots is really bad for my taste. Purple and that crappy useless, tiny eye mask..... not my cup of tea.
But on the bright side, I have seen other costumes on her on screenshots for the video game.
Luckily in those games, you practically always have alternative costumes available to unlock or buy.
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Soooooo, the series is officially ordered!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv ... 235145368/
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Great news!
I can't wait to see some costumes now.... PLEASE let them have good ones with proper masks!
Hope to get more info on which additional characters will be in this show!
The potential for masked women and unmasking is quite BIG.
Let's hope the masked women here will have plenty of screentime and some "action" ;-)

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P.S.: On the other hand the CW canceled a huge bunch of shows, so LoT and Batwoman were only the first:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv ... 235138406/

But well, none of these other shows (except BW) matter to me...
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Black Lightning also had some nice costumes. I don't think anyone talks about that show here. Also Legends had some nice outfits.
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Mr. X wrote: 6 days ago Black Lightning also had some nice costumes. I don't think anyone talks about that show here. Also Legends had some nice outfits.
Well, Black Lightning is already finished for a while and others and myself posted about it back in the day....even though it wasn't a very active topic.
It had at least some good scenes with masked women.

Legends barely offered anything for me in terms of costumes and especially masks. And it's a comedy in the first place so there wasn't much heroine peril involved (in costume).
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