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I don't watch the award shows

But did watch the YouTube Video of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock.

All I could think of is, it would have been better if Jada had assaulted him instead.

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For once the Oscars were interesting.
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I wonder what was going through his head. I understand his wife has been boning other dudes a whole lot. Was he personally offended? Upset on behalf of his wife? Keen to show that he's a "real man" or something? If it was all acting, he deserves an oscar for that.

Anyway, Chris Rock came out of this looking pretty good IMO.
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Plus he has no issue with all his personal life stuff on magazines and TV shows.

Maybe they should mix the Oscars with WWE and make the actors battle for their prize.
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Will Smith hitting Chris Rock in our genre
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My impression is that this was 100% staged to garner attention. The Oscars has long ago lost most of its audience and ratings have been plummeting for some time now. This little incident has people once again referencing the Oscars. Would there have been any references here if not for that incident?
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The Oscars used to be the one night of the year when Hollywood put its best foot forward. The Oscars used to be about glamour, pageantry, prestige, and the celebration of film, and last night it degenerated into a lame reality show trope, resembling more the insipid and trashy Real Housewives shows rather than an elegant and dignified celebration of film.
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Yes but like

Clearly that was not planned. Nobody wanted Will Smith to get up and slap someone. It was not on the itinerary.

The Oscars are cringe anyway. Last night was just a different flavour.
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Perhaps the incident was not staged, but you’ll have to excuse my incredulity as to the “reality” of an incident performed by actors who work in a field that values ratings. The two did something that generated a ton of buzz over a show that has been irrelevant for years. Sounds like a great plan to get people to check out what happened at the Oscars.
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supposedly the fight on the Letterman show years back was staged. Andy Kaufman being beat up. Letterman apparently didn't know this was rigged.
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Why aren't the feminists upset at a man for acting like his wife needs him to defend her? How chauvinistic! As to staging for getting attention to the oscar wieners, in the words of Harry Reid when confronted with his outright lies about a presidential candidate cheating on his taxes, "It worked, didn't it?"
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Will Smith looked like he was boozed up when he sat back down. His face had that drunk look to it.

Yet, when he was laughing at the joke, he seemed perfectly fine. It's bizarre and I don't have an answer for it. Did Jada give him a bunch of flak so he downed a few shots and went up and defended her? :blink:
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joejanus wrote: 6 months ago Why aren't the feminists upset at a man for acting like his wife needs him to defend her? How chauvinistic! As to staging for getting attention to the oscar wieners, in the words of Harry Reid when confronted with his outright lies about a presidential candidate cheating on his taxes, "It worked, didn't it?"
Yeah maybe Will put that whole concept on his back and said, "I'll drum up some buzz for the Oscars!" It's as good as an explanation as any.
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Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago supposedly the fight on the Letterman show years back was staged. Andy Kaufman being beat up. Letterman apparently didn't know this was rigged.
Yes Mr. X, the Andy Kaufman/Jerry Lawler incident was indeed staged. In the Andy Kaufman biopic which starred Jim Carrey, they covered that in the film, bringing back the wrestler to play himself and confirming it was all fake and contrived. Kaufman was working a wrestling angle with Lawler down in Tennessee with Kaufman playing the Hollywood arrogant bad guy heel.
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Isn't there some music award show where people get shot every year?
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Here, in the places where this video was published, advertising of hair products for alopecia was sold.
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sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago My impression is that this was 100% staged to garner attention. The Oscars has long ago lost most of its audience and ratings have been plummeting for some time now. This little incident has people once again referencing the Oscars. Would there have been any references here if not for that incident?
That is ridiculous. Will Smith's reputation and standing have been seriously damaged. There is no way in hell he would agree to that when he'd have got plenty of publicity anyway from his first Oscar win.
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Jada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.

Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
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sneakly wrote: 6 months ago Jada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.

Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Maybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.
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Damselbinder wrote: 6 months ago
sneakly wrote: 6 months ago Jada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.

Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Maybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.
A black friend who follows the media closer than I told me that Jada can be very controlling and manipulative. Left to his own devices Smith probably would have let it slide. She had talked about the condition publicly on a number of occasions. Making a joke about a fifty year old actress’s hair seems fraught with danger in such a beauty conscious industry.
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Damselbinder wrote: 6 months ago
sneakly wrote: 6 months ago Jada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.

Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Maybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.

Yes I thought it was just a hair style. I've seen plenty of black women go short. Heck that one woman being interviewed (comedian, I forgot her name) had a very short blonde hair cut.
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Damselbinder wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago My impression is that this was 100% staged to garner attention. The Oscars has long ago lost most of its audience and ratings have been plummeting for some time now. This little incident has people once again referencing the Oscars. Would there have been any references here if not for that incident?
That is ridiculous. Will Smith's reputation and standing have been seriously damaged. There is no way in hell he would agree to that when he'd have got plenty of publicity anyway from his first Oscar win.
Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
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do people actually watch the oscars? I thought it was just industry luvvies by now
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Damselbinder wrote: 6 months ago
sneakly wrote: 6 months ago Jada gave him a “are you going to fucking let him say that?” look that amounted to castration. He would have done better to getup and escort his wife out for the remainder of the set. It would have gone over better.

Rock should have known better than to make a joke about something that personal. She lost her hair because of a medical condition. I can’t imagine how he didn’t see a red flag on that. Good actors and performers are often that way because character flaws. He should have junked his “all about love speech” and spoken honestly when he got his Oscar. The speech didn’t help.
Maybe he didn't know about her alopecia. I didn't, until all this happened. Not very natural to assume that a person's haircut is the result of a medical condition, ceteris paribus.
Ceteris paribus, I like "If the presenter jokes about a person's appearance that is caused by an illness, the person is offended": If the presenter were respectful, then the person would not be offended.
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sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
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Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
That is nothing new. There are stories of Joe DiMaggio, Frank Sinatra, Mickey Rooney all had reputations
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Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
I agree with you Mr. X. This may sound silly to some, but a taboo has been broken, and now dopes and morons will see the Smith/Rock example and feel it is not as out there ridiculously insane as it was last week to storm the stage when they hear something they don't like from a performer, some folks may feel more empowered to storm the stage, especially with some fools online endorsing the idea of justifying violence for real or perceived slights.
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Personally I think that Rock crossed a line roasting a woman for a medical condition. You can say some shit and it's the Oscars and it's funny (or generally not) but that seemed lower than normal.

As to people worrying about comedians getting slapped, worse than that happens all the time.
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Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
Yeah, you really can't have working actors assaulting each other in public on awards shows. Doesn't matter what the excuse is, it's bad for business. Since Smith resigned from the Academy before they could ban him, they had to make a show of force with the 10-year ban. Smith should be more worried about SAG-AFTRA, whose disciplinary measures could simply cut him off from working in Hollywood at all.
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Dogfish wrote: 6 months ago Personally I think that Rock crossed a line roasting a woman for a medical condition. You can say some shit and it's the Oscars and it's funny (or generally not) but that seemed lower than normal.

As to people worrying about comedians getting slapped, worse than that happens all the time.
There's also no way to know if Chris even knew there was a medical situation or not. I didn't knew she had a medical condition, more than half the world likely doesn't even still. A joke is a joke, if you find it offensive you use your words. There's far worse things as a woman than to be compared to a woman portraying a US marine.

Worse has been said to a lot of people at awards shows all the time and those people kept their shit together. Ricki Gervais had entire routines entirely consisting of 'lower blows' than that. NO line excuses assault that isn't itself a threat of physical violence. It's illegal to hit somebody for a reason. If Chris Rock hadn't been a class act he could have pressed charges and the Smiths would be in a whole heaping world more difficulty.

Maybe a P.S.A. is in order. People of earth, them isn't fighting words! When you fight someone slinging words then you're giving up the win, cause they're gonna see your ass in jail!
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Perhaps the incident was not staged, but you’ll have to excuse my incredulity as to the “reality” of an incident performed by actors who work in a field that values ratings. The two did something that generated a ton of buzz over a show that has been irrelevant for years. Sounds like a great plan to get people to check out what happened at the Oscars.
The trick to working out a valid conspiracy is to look for what there is to GAIN. For it to work as a staged event there needs to be reason that it benefits all parties involved equally. The event 'marginally' benefits the Oscars ratings-wise... but it also puts pressure on them to DO something about it which isn't particularly desirable. It marginally benefits Chris Rock cause he gets sympathy as the assaulted party. It doesn't benefit Will Smith AT ALL. Bear in mind that the old adage of 'Any press is good press' doesn't exist anymore. We're in the 'Cancel Culture' age as we like to talk about a lot out here these days. You get bad press and you get CANCELLED... and the only press you can get for assaulting somebody in front of thousands of people is bad press. Therefore, since Will Smith does NOT benefit from being involved in this conspiracy, the likelihood of the event being staged is negligible contingent on a small chance that somehow all the parties involved never considered the possibility that assaulting Chris Rock in front of thousands of people wouldn't be positively received. That amounts to far too many involved failing their common sense check to get my vote.
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As far as the 10 year ban other than the Goodie bag, it is a reward who wants to sit there for 4 plus hours or boring speeches
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Dazzle1 wrote: 5 months ago As far as the 10 year ban other than the Goodie bag, it is a reward who wants to sit there for 4 plus hours or boring speeches
Yeah for sure... it does depend on the person a bit. I'd be relieved... 'so I can win at home? f'k yeah!' buuuuuut there are people who LIKE to go do that sort of thing believe it or not... no idea where Smith stands on it though.
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Dazzle1 wrote: 5 months ago As far as the 10 year ban other than the Goodie bag, it is a reward who wants to sit there for 4 plus hours or boring speeches
I think the threat of him banned from the film actors guild would be more damaging given he can never work with guild members and anyone employing a guild member cannot hire non-guild members. So maybe we'll see him in some Asylum pictures.
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They aren’t going to drop him from the guild. He is way too popular to permanently axe. His career may die, but they won’t be the ones swinging the axe.

The cherry on this entitled prick behavior was popped long ago when Kanye went on stage during the Taylor Swift Grammy speech.

The most likely solution to this bad behavior would be to make the awards a dry event. Kanye was hammered and I wouldn’t be shocked if Smith was too.
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If they want to punish him force him to watch the bloody thing. Its soooo boring. Only worthwhile bit is sadly seeing those who have died. Next year they might show the slap in that reel to commemorate the passing of his career
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tallyho wrote: 5 months ago If they want to punish him force him to watch the bloody thing. Its soooo boring. Only worthwhile bit is sadly seeing those who have died. Next year they might show the slap in that reel to commemorate the passing of his career
If we are talking real punishment, he needs to stay married to Jada. Every morning he has to wake up and look at the face of the woman who made him fuck up what should have been the best night of his life…

He laughed right up to the moment she gave him that “you need to do something” look. The poor emasculated bastard.
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Femina wrote: 5 months ago There's also no way to know if Chris even knew there was a medical situation or not. I didn't knew she had a medical condition, more than half the world likely doesn't even still.
A lot of the reporters and tv pundits who covered the story in the immediate aftermath seemed to be unaware too. She had mentioned it on her social media, but apparently it hadn't really been reported too widely outside of fan circles it seems. At least, that's what some of the news reports seemed to hint at. Jada has a complicated past. I'm sure if she had not been such a devisive character then newspapers and TV would have been falling over themselves to celebrate her bravery, but I suspect many punted on doing a simpathetic story on a celeb that half the audience might consider to be a villain.
The trick to working out a valid conspiracy is to look for what there is to GAIN. For it to work as a staged event there needs to be reason that it benefits all parties involved equally. The event 'marginally' benefits the Oscars ratings-wise... but it also puts pressure on them to DO something about it which isn't particularly desirable. It marginally benefits Chris Rock cause he gets sympathy as the assaulted party. It doesn't benefit Will Smith AT ALL.
There's also Occam's Razor. If you're going to commit a forgery, why make it more complicated than it needs to be? If this really was pre-planned, would it not have been easier to recruit some has-been actor who needed the attention and didn't have anything to lose? Would it not have been wiser to avoid the embarrassment (and potential negative audience reaction) of your chosen conspirator having to later go up and collect an Oscar after the assault by choosing someone who wasn't nominated for an award? Would you not have carefully positioned security staff near the stage so they could immediately pretend to spring into action and escort the offender from the hall, rather than deliberately let the world think you're innept and disorganised by letting the fake offender return to his seat and sit out the rest of the show while you appear to run around like headless chickens?

Plan A: organsise a power failure to black the lights out for 30 seconds before the best actor award. Plan B: invite some climate activists to throw a few flour bombs on top of some C list celebs filling out the back rows. Plan C: have some has-been actress suffer a minor wardrobe malfunction while presenting an award. Or... Plan D: convince an A list actor to trash his career, then hope the audience won't boo when said actor returns to the stage minutes later to collect your most prestigious award, while also making yourself look like a bunch of clueless idiots, then spend weeks dodging questions about whether you're going to take disciplinary or even legal action against said actor. Out of all the possible plans to create publicity, who the hell goes with D...?!?

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five_red wrote: 5 months agoIf this really was pre-planned, would it not have been easier to recruit some has-been actor who needed the attention and didn't have anything to lose?
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If this was planned, someone would have long ago come out and said so. Will Smith would never destroy his career and ruin what really should have been the best night of his life. The only person that would ever take stunt this far was Andy Kaufman. And I think he is still playing dead…
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sneakly wrote: 5 months ago If this was planned, someone would have long ago come out and said so. Will Smith would never destroy his career and ruin what really should have been the best night of his life. The only person that would ever take stunt this far was Andy Kaufman. And I think he is still playing dead…
In the immediate aftermath of Michael Jacksons' death a good friend of mine and myself joked that it was all a conspiracy to help sell his upcoming farewell tour, and over several emails we concocted a mock parallel version of events that (we pretended) the media were being banned from telling.

You can guess the punchline: several of the stupid ideas we mentioned in those emails are now part of real conspiracy theories.

Yes Andy Kaufman is dead -- or at least that's what THEY want you to believe. But I happen to know that Kaufman and John Lennon are hiding out in a secret underground complex at Graceland, the same complex that Lord Lucan once used to hide Shergar, after Jimmy Hoffa kidnapped him using an invisibility cloak stolen from Area 51. Shergar, of course, had been moved to Building 7 in Manhattan long before Kaufman arrived at Graceland, although this itself was merely a smokescreen to throw the CIA off the track. In reality D.B. Cooper had paid for Shergar to be transferred by anti-gravity saucer to the Lost City of Atlantis, where scientists monitor the ice barrier around the Earth that stops ships for falling off of its edge.


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Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
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bushwackerbob wrote: 5 months ago
Mr. X wrote: 6 months ago
sugarcoater wrote: 6 months ago Didn’t know being skeptical about Hollywood machinations was ridiculous, but Damsel likes to instigate and criticize others frequently so no surprise here. As for reputation being damaged, how is standing up for his wife going to damage his career? And do you really think a comedian like Chris Rock will pursue anything against Will Smith? And the point was never about publicity for Will Smith; this point was about the Oscar’s dwindling viewership.
This opinion is far from ridiculous. And you’re welcome to have your opinion that the reaction was genuine. Unlike you, I can accept your opinion and simply disagree with it.
I think it sets a precedent that now offended people can slap someone for example an offended trans person slapping Chappelle.
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*Sigh* I'd almost like to accuse you of doing it yourself just to make the prophesy come true... (Not serious)

It begins.

THIS is why we don't slap each other ever... but especially over jokes. We don't know very well yet that this guy was trans for SURE, but considering Chappelle history and his jab at the man after he was arrested it's probable the 'inciting' joke was at the expense of the Trans community and it doesn't fuckin matter! We don't. Hit. Each. Other over stupid shit like a god damn stand up comedian routine. Don't like the comedy? DON'T GO! You want to hurt a comedian? Don't laugh, call him an asshole, and walk out.

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Femina wrote: 5 months ago *Sigh* I'd almost like to accuse you of doing it yourself just to make the prophesy come true... (Not serious)

It begins.

THIS is why we don't slap each other ever... but especially over jokes. We don't know very well yet that this guy was trans for SURE, but considering Chappelle history and his jab at the man after he was arrested it's probable the 'inciting' joke was at the expense of the Trans community and it doesn't fuckin matter! We don't. Hit. Each. Other over stupid shit like a god damn stand up comedian routine. Don't like the comedy? DON'T GO! You want to hurt a comedian? Don't laugh, call him an asshole, and walk out.

I need some alcohol.
Agreed. We have somehow lost the ability in this country to calmly or even mildly say "I don't like what you said and I vehemently disagree with it" and leave it at that. I may have been a bit premature in inferring the jerk who assaulted Chappelle was trans. I might have erred in that regard.
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Did you see the guy's arm? Definitely a dislocated shoulder. Ouch.

I don't blame "trans" one bit since I don't see "trans" as some cohesive Borg collective. Its activists and attention seekers. Issue hijackers who think they are Jake Sully from Avatar betraying the humans to save the blue people. What's been created is an environment in which we don't call out activists and instead reward them for being heroes. Right to life had this issue in the 1990s with issue hijackers using the cause to blow up clinics and kill doctors. These people are always in society and look for causes to latch onto. Its not the cause... its the activists.

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