Batwoman - Season 3

Avengers, Batman, Superman, etc Discussion about comic mainstream movies and TV shows.
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago
Well, the writers delivered some good plots as well, and I think season 3 is the best (so far) in terms of storyline.
I cannot fathom why you think this show has good writing. If this is the "best" the show has to offer then the bar is pretty darn low. And you can tell by the abysmal audience ratings. Yeah maybe there is some slightly better coherent story line but for this show, that's pushing it.


So yes you might be technically correct. Compared to the last two abysmal seasons this season maybe slightly better.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

How many episodes have you actually seen?
I like the overall storylines. Yeah, here and there are plot holes and/or unlogical things.....but not worse than in any other CW show.
I am talking about the overall story.
I like where this is going, especially this season.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

I've seen all of the first season and as I say up to season 2 episode 12.

I WANT the series to be good and I WANT the show to succeed but as I say this is just very poor writing. A plot is supposed to drive the story forward in a plausible way that broadly works.
This writing drives the show forward in a totally hap-hazard way but it is SO easy to cut that out -as I say in this case you just say three days ago rather than this morning and it's problem solved. I'm no genius and neither are you (I'm guessing,) but we both could have made that change to make the scenario work. This is poor writing, poor script editing and the fact that no one in the rehearsals and rewrites pipes up and says "Er... guys..?" just shows no body in the production actually CARES about this show.
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
User avatar
shevek
Producer
Producer
Posts: 3742
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Contact:

Well, up until now I have avoided this TV series for quite a while. So rather than taking a deep binge, I just watched the two latest episodes to catch up, since much of this season seems to have been about catching all the Pokemons / MacGuffins / Batman trophies anyway. Some time was wasted in these episodes talking about Catwoman and Flamingo, neither of whom materialized of course.

Episode 5 was a horror/slasher thriller starring one of Batman's most disturbing villains, Professor Pyg (created by Grant Morrison in 2006).
Spoiler

The good thing about it is that there was a fair amount of peril: three beautiful women in tight party dresses stumbling around, half-paralyzed, trying to avoid a killer who also isn't very mobile or fast - he just shambles around himself impeding his own movements with ineffective weapons like cleavers, while wearing a vision-impairing pig mask. The bad thing is that there is pretty much nobody in costume. There are no superheroes in the movie "Panic Room."
Episode 6 had promise, and I was really looking forward to Mary's transformation into Poison Mary.
Spoiler
Unfortunately, although she makes almost orgasmic transformation sounds with her back turned, NOTHING changes about Mary at all except a green tint in her eyes. You'd think that Isley's photo-chemicals might tinge her eyebrows or lips green, or give her streaks of green hair, but there's nothing. It's a bit unconvincing, as is the lack of a costume while she is fighting Batwoman and Batwing in that lovely domed Bloedel Conservatory (yes it's a real botanical garden location in Vancouver). Fashionable boots, tight booty shorts and a long coat are not a costume, Mary Hamilton.

As Maskripper points out in his review, there's a real missed opportunity when Mary ensnares Luke in the vines, but then doesn't put Batwoman in the same kind of limb-stretching peril. Instead, she covers up Batwoman entirely with leaves so we can't see her struggle or her facial expressions, and then somehow, Montoya is able to remove all the leaves from Batwoman with one single ill-aimed slash of an axe?
It'll be nice to see Mary in that sexy costume once she actually wears it ( hopefully in the next episode). But I feel that the show itself - and the actress Nicole Kang herself, who is excited to play the role - are basically fibbing about Nicole being "Poison Ivy". She's not. She's Poison Mary. There's a whole different actress who's going to be playing Poison Ivy later on in this season. It seems as if the producers were attempting to use misrepresentation (swapping the identity of a character) to achieve representation. Ain't that the way with these folks pretty often?
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

@tallyho:
....wow....
"Nobody on the production cares about the show?"
And all that based on your obsession about that one detail...that actually CAN be explained (he may have had someone helping him).
If you analyze like that on every movie you watch....you would come to the conclusion that no one from production cares about it.....as errors like that can be found in 90% of the movies. Humans make mistakes, that doesn't mean they don't care. And here it isn't even a real mistake..... (The escape is much more a writing error for me).
Ok, I give up.

@shevek:
Well, as you just watched the last two episodes you missed how Mary has changed since she woke up on a park bench and not knowing how she got there (episode 3 or 4).
From then one she changed more and more.
And she will be in costume in the next one:
https://batwoman.tv/pick-your-poison-gallery

I think that Poison Ivy is controlling her to a certain degree, and yeah, she will show up soon.
Perhaps in the next episode as that one is the midseason-finale.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago
@tallyho:
....wow....
"Nobody on the production cares about the show?"
And all that based on your obsession about that one detail...that actually CAN be explained (he may have had someone helping him).
If you analyze like that on every movie you watch....you would come to the conclusion that no one from production cares about it.....as errors like that can be found in 90% of the movies. Humans make mistakes, that doesn't mean they don't care. And here it isn't even a real mistake..... (The escape is much more a writing error for me)
You've missed the point - that's one of umpteen such crap inconsistencies. In the fight in the same episode at the end you go from 2 on one with BW and Alice against the villainess to BW getting beat, recovering and then walking away and actually TURNING HER BACK on the villain who was trying to kill her 5 seconds earlier. Whilst the villain who had been fighting for her life or freedom seconds earlier stops what she is doing to give Alice and Batwoman a break up moment for their partnership. How the hell does that work in any scenario? The villain is fighting them BOTH with Alice down why wouldn't she just lay into BW when she turns her back? Makes no sense and is just poorly constructed plot.
And no they (such obvious errors) don't exist in 90% of movies because script editors say ' that doesn't work we will make it xyz instead.' That is their JOB. if you have all the people involved in writing, editing, printing, reading, acting and directing the script out and NONE of them says' Wait this doesn't make sense' what conclusion can you reach but they clearly don't care about their art and will just shoot whatever shit is put in front of them?
The point I was making is IT'S EASY TO AVOID.
It's literally 2 seconds of thought. It doesn't involve complicating the scene, changing camera angles halfway through, lighting changes or an extra scene, it is a single change in dialogue and everything works.
If someone was helping him, do they (team BW) look for his unknown accomplice in the next episode? My guess is no they dont. So the other half of a possible team who have tried to kill them is just left to roam around and try again? Of course he didn't have help as there is no hint of that at all in the story or what can loosely be described as a plot. So there is no explanation as to how it was done because the show is all about one characters revenge. So yes he could have had help but no he didn't. Or if he did they are a pretty half assed bunch of crime fighters.
The thing that worries me is if you accept this dross you will get more of this dross and what message is it giving to younger script writers who will be in the industry in 10-15 years time? Just come up with something semi cool doesn't matter if its bullshit. I blame Superman spinning the world backwards to reverse time and save Lois Lane. Thin end of the wedge.
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
Bert

The Berlantiverse is like this throughout. They've made it clear from the beginning that character consistency, logic and reasonableness will ALWAYS be sacrificed for the whims of any episode's plot line. In season 1 of Supergirl (when the writing was still "good"!), Supergirl stops two idiots who are drag racing their cars, literally microseconds before they take out a bunch of kids in a crosswalk. Then one of the idiots gets mad at Supergirl for damaging his car. Then he tries to hit Supergirl. She catches his fist and he starts screaming that she's hurting him. Then the school kids who she just saved are scared of her. It's a 30 second scene packed with so many idiotic, inconsistent, illogical events that you can't even believe it ever got past first edit, never mind filmed and aired. But Berlanti and company have zero respect for their audience and just do that stuff constantly.
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Bert wrote:
2 years ago
The Berlantiverse is like this throughout. They've made it clear from the beginning that character consistency, logic and reasonableness will ALWAYS be sacrificed for the whims of any episode's plot line. In season 1 of Supergirl (when the writing was still "good"!), Supergirl stops two idiots who are drag racing their cars, literally microseconds before they take out a bunch of kids in a crosswalk. Then one of the idiots gets mad at Supergirl for damaging his car. Then he tries to hit Supergirl. She catches his fist and he starts screaming that she's hurting him. Then the school kids who she just saved are scared of her. It's a 30 second scene packed with so many idiotic, inconsistent, illogical events that you can't even believe it ever got past first edit, never mind filmed and aired. But Berlanti and company have zero respect for their audience and just do that stuff constantly.
People think this is bad writing but in fact is merely writing catering to a different kind of audience. An audience that likes high and low emotional moments than stories. Think of a show only designed for SHIPs.

Half in the Bag pointed out this new style with their Batman V Superman movie review. The movie is a bad, thin plot that strings together a series of moments and member-berries.

Batwoman and Supergirl appear to be the same punch list series of scenes. The plot means nothing. Its to get from one moment or SHIP or emotional high to another. My guess is the writers see the show as a series of peaks and valleys and each peak is merely a chosen plot point they haphazardly work the story to get to.

In fact the last new 52 animated movie with Darksied seemed to be like that. A destruction fest. Darksied just standing around while characters did drama stuff when he could have just slaughtered them all.
Bert

So it's:

thin plot
member-berries
punch list
plot means nothing
haphazard

But not bad writing. Got it.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

-
Last edited by Maskripper 2 years ago, edited 1 time in total.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Bert wrote:
2 years ago
So it's:

thin plot
member-berries
punch list
plot means nothing
haphazard

But not bad writing. Got it.
I'm thinking to them the bad writing isn't important. I 100% agree it IS bad writing but maybe we should examine why they don't care about bad writing. Is it just poor skill level or is there some other motivation at work.

Think of it like a porn flic. Does the writing matter? Or is the producer just jumping from money shot to money shot?

I'm saying that the producers don't care about the writing because that's not what the fan base apparently wants. In fact there's a way of thinking about it - why isn't the fan base upset by poor writing? Cause to them this is a "moments" porn flic and not a story. Its "oo did you see that costume" or "Oh look Alice and Mary are Shipping" or "Batwoman looked so cool doing XYZ".
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

So, my last post to this off-topic posts...
How many episodes of Batwoman have you seen Bert + Mr.X? (I meant Mr.X as I was asking this question above)
Just curious....I think the answer is somewhere between 0 and 2.
Perhaps someone can open a general CW discussion thread so that here the actual topic can be discussed.
-

Back to the topic of this thread.
It's Batwoman-Wednesday and the mid-season finale is airing tonight!
The next episode then will be on January 12.
But in the meantime, Batwoman will be in the Armageddon event in the Flash series (confirmed in episodes 3 and 4...so far).

Image
Image
Image
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Bert

Mr. X wrote:
2 years ago
I'm saying that the producers don't care about the writing because that's not what the fan base apparently wants.
What fan base? There's like 400,000 people watching it. Maybe if they DID care about writing, that number would be much higher. There's nothing stopping writers from including that fan service stuff within a well crafted story. It's just laziness or lack of talent to produce a show and ignore basic good writing principles.
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

OK it's my fault entirely we have had this side conversation in the middle of this thread (I was hoping for reassurance it gets better in season three but I'm not hearing it lol)
So we won't derail the thread anymore and my apologies Maskripper.
Just keep it about season 3 from now on people
(And no one mention that with that ridiculous wig she can't even sneak up on villains and peak around a corner without her hair sticking out into the room and giving her position away. :giggle:)
(sorry I'm a dick I know!)
So yeah just Season 3 from now on please
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Bert wrote:
2 years ago
Mr. X wrote:
2 years ago
I'm saying that the producers don't care about the writing because that's not what the fan base apparently wants.
What fan base? There's like 400,000 people watching it. Maybe if they DID care about writing, that number would be much higher. There's nothing stopping writers from including that fan service stuff within a well crafted story. It's just laziness or lack of talent to produce a show and ignore basic good writing principles.
Yeah true. Not sure who they are catering to cause 400k is crap for viewership. I can't see how the show even stays on.
Visitor
Legendary Member
Legendary Member
Posts: 926
Joined: 14 years ago

Mr. X wrote:
2 years ago
Yeah true. Not sure who they are catering to cause 400k is crap for viewership. I can't see how the show even stays on.
First it's the CW where that is considered doing adequately. Second he's got so many shows on the CW that they can't replace them all with something better. Third Aaron Spelling is dead and he used to fill that gap.
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Yeah lets drop this side thread. This is a fan thread.
Visitor
Legendary Member
Legendary Member
Posts: 926
Joined: 14 years ago

At least Mary looks better this episode than last week where they did a weak imitation of Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy hair style from the Batman movie.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

450k is the average TV viewership.
TV.
Like in Live-TV.
Nowadays there is something magically called streaming. You know something with internet.
Most folks under 30 don't even know you can watch something except sports and "reality TV" on live TV.
So, saying that 400k are watching this show is just plain...wrong.
There is the streaming on the CW site, and later on on HBO Max + folks who record it with the DVR or watch the re-run.
And many US folks don't even have access to the CW TV channel.
-
Will post my review of episode 7 tomorrow.

@Visitor:
I liked that reference, as much as her Homer Simpson exit through the plants.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Bert

These are ratings for Wednesday night. Batwoman was up 25% over last week and still finished...dead last. And that's a full "apples to apples" comparison.

The point is - if Berlanti and Co. put effort into better writing, perhaps their shows could climb out of the ratings basement.


Ratings sorted by total viewers

Show Viewers %change

NBC (n) Chicago Fire 6.76 -0.60%

NBC (n) Chicago Med 6.43 -5.43%

NBC (n) Chicago PD 5.48 -2.60%

CBS (n) Survivor 5.24 -1.49%

FOX (n) The Masked Sngr 4.02 -11.15%

ABC (n) The Goldbergs 3.21 -0.50%

CBS (n) CSI: Vegas 3.13 -6.31%

ABC (n) The Conners 3.02 -9.41%

CBS (n) Tough As Nails 2.65 -6.21%

ABC (n) The Wonder Yrs 2.20 -14.57%

FOX (n) Alter Ego 1.96 -9.71%

ABC (n) Home Economics 1.88 -4.38%

ABC (n) A Million Ltl Thgs 1.74 -9.69%

CW (n) DC's Legends OT 0.59 15.85%

CW (n) Batwoman 0.52 25.18%

(n) = new episode, (r) = rerun, (s) = special or sports, † = compared to last season's debut.

Ratings © 2021 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
User avatar
shevek
Producer
Producer
Posts: 3742
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Contact:

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago
Back to the topic of this thread.
It's Batwoman-Wednesday and the mid-season finale is airing tonight!
The next episode then will be on January 12.
But in the meantime, Batwoman will be in the Armageddon event in the Flash series (confirmed in episodes 3 and 4...so far).
Gotta admit, it was pretty satisfying watching Mary Hamilton slide slowly and deliberately into her full Poison Mary persona.
That costume is very hot (although why are the boots light green?). I wish Alice had said something directly about how hot it was!

As for the episode itself, I see one overall aspect that made no sense overall:
Spoiler
What makes Ryan Wilder play 'by the rules' when so much is at stake?
1) The moment after she signed away Wayne Enterprises and had the antidote in her hand, she could have used her fighting skill
to knock out Marquis when his back was turned. Problem solved.
2) She should also have been prepared to incapacitate Mary with some kind of dart in order to administer the antidote.
Of course, without those elements, we wouldn't have evil Marquis and evil sexy Mary, but still.....
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

@shevek:
1) Totally agree, that was weird, to say at least
2) Well,
Spoiler
she thought that Mary wouldn't have her powers at night (as they only showed up with sunlight before). I guess she thought she could persuade her to take the antidote. Maybe she had a sedative, but I guess she wanted to try to talk her out of being Poison Mary. Well, that didn't really work.
-
Episode 7, Midseason-finale
My review incl. 2 Videos and 39 pictures (WATCH the episode before you go there!):
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... our-poison
:excl: :excl: :excl:
-
Image
Image
Image
Image
-
The next episode will be aired on January 12.
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

Well I'm up to season 3 ep 2.
Thats all I shall say.
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

tallyho wrote:
2 years ago
Well I'm up to season 3 ep 2.
Thats all I shall say.
Nice, then you have one full month to watch episodes 3-7 of the season before the show is back on January 12.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Bronson881
Veteran Member
Veteran Member
Posts: 321
Joined: 13 years ago

I have always wondered how much it would cost to build the Batcave and it would be 6 million dollars (starting with an existing cave) and then you have to pay the workers and there is the electricity you would need to run the computers and stuff.
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

Seen episode 3, dear oh dear
Spoiler
So the villains knock out Batwoman, lock her in the freeze chamber, Night Wing shows up... aaaaaand after a token fight and with him kneeling over BW (so not exactly poised to strike) the 6 of them stagger to their feet, the villainess makes a half hearted grab for the freeze formula, Nightwing puts his hand on the rucksack and then she snarls to show she's annoyed... And then they all run away, leaving him with Batwoman, the chamber and the freeze formula.
So all you gotta do to stop a villain is put a hand on their rucksack. Jesus. So appallingly uneven, words fail me to describe how poor this was.
Also Montoya or whatever the female cop is called
Spoiler
revealed Ryan's secret identity. In front of the two cops guarding Alice when she said " you can go back to your masked vigilante ways" given they know BW is a black woman they either need to be deaf or incredibly stupid not to put two and two together. But I'm sure thst will just be totally overlooked. Again could have been remedied with a sentence of dialogue (concerned look at the two guards from Ryan, Montoya says "Known them 15 years since the academy, they can be trusted" and its done with.) Given they are happy to devote tedious hours over the series to exploring her personal lesbian relationships it would just be REALLY NICE if they devoted a minute or two here or there to avoiding some of the gaping plot holes.
If you believe none of that matters, that's fine.
You carry on looking at the shows and I will carry on watching them.
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Today season 3 will finally be continued with new episodes!

Some pics:
Image
Image
Image
Image

Many masked women here....and Batwoman will join in as well. :-)

-
Here is the trailer for tonight's episode:


-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Visitor
Legendary Member
Legendary Member
Posts: 926
Joined: 14 years ago

Fake build up. All the hype and the last 5 minutes showed it was fake news.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Visitor wrote:
2 years ago
Fake build up. All the hype and the last 5 minutes showed it was fake news.
What are you talking about? It was always clear that Mary wouldn't
Spoiler
be THE Poison Ivy since they cast Poison Ivy
months ago and they announced Bridget Regan for the role.
But quite a lot of folks seem to have missed that casting news.
Mary will always be Mary, even she was on a dark path lately (and still will be?
Spoiler
Perhaps Mary will look for Poison Ivy as her teacher?)
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Visitor
Legendary Member
Legendary Member
Posts: 926
Joined: 14 years ago

The season villain wasn't Poison Mary or Ryann's brother, but
Spoiler
Renee Montoya, who as Alice said had been lying the whole time to free her lover.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

...well that doesn't make her the season villain.... at least not in the long run.
She helped
Spoiler
Poison Ivy escape, but I guess she will realize quickly that that was wrong when Ivy kills the first people.
Guess she was blinded by love.
I like the twists and turns. Some nice surprises.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Episode 8 "Trust Destiny"

My looong review incl. many pictures and two videos:
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... st-destiny
:excl: :excl: :excl:
-
Some pictures:
Image
Image
Image
Image
-
The next episode will be aired on January 19.
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Episode 9, "Meet Your Maker"

My long review incl. pictures and a video:
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... your-maker
:excl: :excl: :excl:
-

Some pictures:
Image
Image
Image
Image
-

The next episode is on January 26.
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Bert wrote:
2 years ago
These are ratings for Wednesday night. Batwoman was up 25% over last week and still finished...dead last. And that's a full "apples to apples" comparison.

The point is - if Berlanti and Co. put effort into better writing, perhaps their shows could climb out of the ratings basement.
The show is written quite well - for its audience.

Same reason a romance novel plot doesn't make sense to you and I.
Look at Mask Ripper's posts. Very little discussion of plot other than to maybe recite the plot but all posts are style pictures of characters. Any discussion is usually "so and so looked good in this costume".

This kind of entertainment is not about story, the story doesn't matter. Its about image, feelings, moments, style. More like a fashion magazine with fluff articles between the stylized pictures or like the plot of a porn flic. Heck my stuff is written this way, a thin plot to get the heroine into another sex scene.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Mr. X wrote:
2 years ago
...
Look at Mask Ripper's posts. Very little discussion of plot other than to maybe recite the plot but all posts are style pictures of characters. Any discussion is usually "so and so looked good in this costume".
....
:giggle: :blink:
Very little discussion of plot?
Guess you should read more than half of one of my posts. I post my opinions on a lot of plot points.
And there is not much to say about costumes for me as they don't change that much.
My primary interest in the show is simple....it has a masked heroine as the main character. That's it.

Interesting how much you write about a show from which you haven't seen more than one episode (my guess,....or two....)
Last edited by Maskripper 2 years ago, edited 1 time in total.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago

:giggle: :blink:
Very little discussion of plot?
Guess you should read more than half of one of my posts. I post my opinions on a lot of plot points.
And there is not much to say about costumes for me as they don't change that much.
Interesting how much you write about a show from which you haven't seen more than one episode (my guess,....or two....)

From your last review at your site
"Well, I predicted that this relationship would happen since the middle of season 2, and now, finally, one of them was making a big “move”! Also, it was a good way to shut Ryan up who was babbling way too much about her feelings 😆 . Will be interesting to see how this will progress with these two!"

This is talking about SHIP.

Hey I don't care if you like the show for SHIP or style or costumes... you be you. But its clear the show is not procedural or story based. It appeals to another audience type. Nothing wrong with that. Just explaining why some others don't get the show. Its not written to be story based, its meant to be moments based.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Yeah, in these sentences I talk about SHIP.
My review has some more sentences.....

As I said:
My primary interest in the show is simple....it has a masked heroine as the main character.
There are so few shows with it (Queen of Swords, Black Scorpion), and this is the first one that got more than one season.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago
Yeah, in these sentences I talk about SHIP.
My review has some more sentences.....

As I said:
My primary interest in the show is simple....it has a masked heroine as the main character.
There are so few shows with it (Queen of Swords, Black Scorpion), and this is the first one that got more than one season.
Yes and good on you. I'm merely pointing out there are different audience types and the show is not written for procedural or plot oriented viewers. Just like Vampire Diaries or Twilight doesn't appeal to Star Trek fans.

the only issue is this audience is not enough to sustain the show and that the show is catering to a smaller demographic vs a possibly larger demographic. For example compare this show to CW Superman. Superman is simply doing better because the people who will watch super hero stuff have a different mindset than the moments oriented show types.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

I watch Batwoman and Superman....so do I have different "mindsets" in me? Seemingly yes.
By the way: Batwoman is a superhero show as well... even it is different in many regards, there I agree.
But I don't dig your "moments oriented" theory, that you wanna sell for the last years.
This show features a lot of more classic female elements like "talk about your feelings" and "relationships" and mixes it up with action and story.

I would actually prefer another mixture with another focus (#action)...but I (happily) take what I can get when it comes to TV shows with a masked woman in the leading role.
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Mr. X
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 4598
Joined: 11 years ago
Contact:

Maskripper wrote:
2 years ago
I watch Batwoman and Superman....so do I have different "mindsets" in me? Seemingly yes.
Watching the show and WHY you watch the show are two different things. Superman may just contain enough elements that appeal to you.

Not sure what your complaint is. Nothing wrong with a diversity of different audience types other than if one type can sustain the market or will spend money on things.
dragontigerandhorse1985
Staff Sargeant
Staff Sargeant
Posts: 183
Joined: 2 years ago

tallyho wrote:
2 years ago
Well I'm up to season 3 ep 2.
Thats all I shall say.
@Tallyho, just think if the writing and directing got better then they'd have to keep up the good work, meaning less time for martini's.
User avatar
tallyho
Ambassador
Ambassador
Posts: 5390
Joined: 13 years ago
Location: Land of No Hope and Past Glories

Fair point, well made!
How strange are the ways of the gods ...........and how cruel.

I am here to help one and all enjoy this site, so if you have any questions or feel you are being trolled please contact me (Hit the 'CONTACT' little speech bubble below my Avatar).
dragontigerandhorse1985
Staff Sargeant
Staff Sargeant
Posts: 183
Joined: 2 years ago

tallyho wrote:
2 years ago
Fair point, well made!
@Tallyho,
You are welcome but I was also trying my hand at bad snarked up humor.
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Episode 10, "Toxic"

My long review incl. pictures and a video:
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... e-10-toxic
:excl: :excl: :excl:
-
Some pictures:
Image
Image
Image
Image
-

The next episode is on February 2.
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

Episode 11, "Broken Toys"

My long review incl. pictures and a video:
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... roken-toys
:excl: :excl: :excl:
-
Some pictures:
Image
Image
Image
Image

-
Next episode will be on February 23 (break for the Olympics)
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
ivandobsky
Veteran Member
Veteran Member
Posts: 316
Joined: 10 years ago

Are those screenshots representative of how the TV show looks? It seems like the midtones are very dark. Maybe something to do with gamma. Does the TV show need to be watched at night with the curtains closed?
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

ivandobsky wrote:
2 years ago
Are those screenshots representative of how the TV show looks? It seems like the midtones are very dark. Maybe something to do with gamma. Does the TV show need to be watched at night with the curtains closed?
Certainly not a show that you should watch in a very bright room.
Many scenes at night, and then it can get rather darkish. But well, that fits the setting.
If it gets too dark for you then you can work with your TV setting...
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Damselbinder

God damn that lady playing Pamela Isley is gorgeous.
User avatar
shevek
Producer
Producer
Posts: 3742
Joined: 11 years ago
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Contact:

ivandobsky wrote:
2 years ago
Are those screenshots representative of how the TV show looks? It seems like the midtones are very dark. Maybe something to do with gamma. Does the TV show need to be watched at night with the curtains closed?
Yes, it really is that dark. They're going for an aesthetic apparently.

I'm going to put this right here rather than under "Cons" because I think it probably appeals most to anyone who is watching this thread.

Nicole Kang is going to appear at the spring NorthEast Con in Boxboro, MA on March 11-13, 2022. We attended the one on Thanksgiving Weekend 2021, and although it was rather underattended, we did have a good time (and we met IMSancho!).

,So if anyone near New England wants to meet "Poison Mary" and get her autograph, here's your chance! (Also at the Con will be Tara Reid and John Wesley Shipp)
nicole kang.png
nicole kang.png (495.9 KiB) Viewed 2396 times
User avatar
Maskripper
Millenium Member
Millenium Member
Posts: 1091
Joined: 7 years ago
Contact:

^ Thanks shevek for the post, but my private jet is still in the shop I can't go .... ;-)

---

Episode 12, "We're All Mad Here"

My long review incl. 40 pictures and a video:
https://maskripper.org/batwoman-season- ... l-mad-here
-
Some pictures:
Image
Image
Image
^^(If I ever become a villain, I need such a spinning wheel too!)^^

Image
-
Last episode (of this season) will be on March 2
-
Vist my blog and its Youtube channel:
http://www.maskripper.org
https://www.youtube.com/c/MaskripperOrg

Masked women in action! Superheroines, burglars, villainesses are waiting for you...
Post Reply