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Bless her soul. In this world of extreme woke-ness, we definitely need more of her kind.

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Frankly I find it a silly SCENE to be proud of as basically it DOES just objectify her for the sequence in the name of humor... but that isn't what she's saying. One is free and should be free to be proud of working out and getting their bodies in shape, and in a perfect world frankly wouldn't need to feel ashamed for showing it.

It's ALSO a silly scene to be OFFENDED by. She's not the first female character to be objectified for a scene, many of which have never gone denounced against, nor is there any shortage of men who are objectified for scenes in television and film particularly in recent years with the Superhero stuff. Kirk's a red blooded man and let's not pretend like William Shatner's Kirk was anything else... it's true to the character if nothing else!

I expect if there's any sort of REAL outrage at this sort of thing still, it's somewhat in the vein of the very REAL fear of whether or not the director at the time was being a Harvey Weinstein or a Michael Bay... and at least to the present there's not been any sexual misconduct complaints lobbied at Abrahams and in all things the benefit of the doubt ought be extended lest any kind of evidence show itself. Especially now that the movie industry finally seems to be working out the kinks of this particular form of gender discrepancy anyway, the less tolorated the casting couch becomes then the less and less a scene like this should probably offend anyone outside of just like... you know... the 'prudes'... but the prudes will always be offended by the human body anyway.

Finally, as to the slight to STAR TREK this scene may have represented... well... frankly the Star Trek remakes had done so much outside the traditional Trek wheel box by the time this scene EVER came up that declaring it as something 'untrekish' was an argument absurdly late to the scene. I'm pretty sure the inclusion of Alice Eve's underwear had no impact on the films bottom line either, and that most of the people who have genuine issues with it have much better arguments to present... plus like... it was more faithful to Star Trek than most Star Trek series are! Picard and Discovery are far greater travesties than Alice Eve's underwear ever was!
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Nothing wrong with fan service. Cavill spends nearly 20 minutes shirtless in Justice League and no one bitches about that.
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Femina wrote: 1 month ago Frankly it would be a silly SCENE to be proud of as basically it DOES just objectify her for the sequence in the name of humor... but one is free and should be free to be proud of working out and getting their bodies in shape... and shouldn't need to feel wrong for having it and in a perfect world frankly wouldn't need to feel ashamed for showing it.

It's ALSO a silly scene to be OFFENDED by. She's not the first female character to be objectified for a scene, nor is there any shortage of men who are objectified for scenes in television and film. Kirk's a red blooded man and let's not pretend like William Shatner's Kirk was anything else... it's true to the character if nothing else.

Frankly the Star Trek remakes had done so much outside the traditional Trek wheel box by the time this scene EVER came up that declaring it as something 'untrekish' was an argument absurdly late to the scene. I'm pretty sure the inclusion of this particular sequence had no impact on the films bottom line either, and that most of the people who have genuine issues with it have much better arguments to present.
Everyone gets offended by everything these days. I really don't care about the movie. It's just that everyone is trying to get on the woke bandwagon these days. Many actresses wear revealing clothing to interviews, yet talk about getting offended by showing "too much skin" in movies, which is hypocritical to say the least. It's time we hear from actresses who don't care about getting on the bandwagon is all I'm saying...
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Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago Nothing wrong with fan service. Cavill spends nearly 20 minutes shirtless in Justice League and no one bitches about that.
This is one of this cases where I agree with you!

As I said above, this is only a problem if the director is a pervert and the fan service extends beyond the realm of the fantasy of the film and into Harvey Weinstein's pants. So long as all of the crew are on the up and up, all are willing and indeed as Alice Eve protests even PROUD of the work they've done for the scene, it's fine.

Considering there's been some distance from Into Darkness at this rate especially, and sexual misconduct tends to be brought up around this distance from the inciting incidents as well, I think it ALL THE MORE likely we can put this one to bed as anything anyone should be offended by.
brdiy wrote: 1 month ago Everyone gets offended by everything these days. I really don't care about the movie. It's just that everyone is trying to get on the woke bandwagon these days. Many actresses wear revealing clothing to interviews, yet talk about getting offended by showing "too much skin" in movies, which is hypocritical to say the least. It's time we hear from actresses who don't care about getting on the bandwagon is all I'm saying...
The underlying fears that create what many denounce as just 'woke' behavior tend to have a basis in merit that if it's actively bothering you to hear about, probably just means that you have the luxury of being unconnected to the type of situations or behaviors they are complaining about. By which I mean for instance, if you're a male and arguing that a woman should be proud of tits and ass shots because she did a tits and ass shot that once, you probably don't fully understand the subtleties involved of what could have brought her to filming that shot, nor what politics were or were not going on behind the scenes... and even if perhaps they ONCE were, anyone who thinks they should ALWAYS stand by their previous stances on things should take a good long and hard look at juvenile behaviors they may have once possessed that they've grown up enough to have overcome or changed their opinions of. If an actress was proud to show off her boobs forty years ago, and then came to realize twenty years later that she really only did it because of the social pressure of her fellow filmmakers then she is and should be free to change her opinion on how she feels about it.

Or in other other words, if you find yourself offended by the sillies taking offence at this scene... you're being equally as silly.

*sigh* god damn it. I can just feel this thread is a powder keg right now... did you have to use the term 'woke' y'all know what you're doing.
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Let's not forget that these scenes are part of a story in a visual medium and sets up character dynamics through the story as it progresses.
If a character sees another naked or in his or her underwear in a scene that then changes the relationship of the characters through the movie. It might mean there's a shy smile or a knowing glance between the two in a later scene that speaks volumes because of what's happened. Everyone will rember the naked scene, no one will remember the passing comment or innuendo or ACTUAL ACTING that the scene may have triggered in later parts of the movie. In isolation such scenes may be gratuitous or silly but as part of the narrative they play their part.
If a scene is totally gratuitous and of no intrinsic value to the story then it's up to the actors whether they take that role or not, or fight to get the scene dropped or changed.
I'm not sure you can look back after 20 years and conclude you were pressured into it as memories are inherently unreliable. You can wake up some mornings and feel like doing something, wake up on other days and are totally disinterested in the same activity. 20 years later can you really remember accurately how you felt that day? How many of those memories are merged with dreams or thoughts you may have had over the incident since. Later regret could easily manifest itself as 'I never should have done that' to' I never wanted to do that' to 'They made me do that' and the subconscious then is convinced you were coerced into it whereas you may not have been.
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tallyho wrote: 1 month ago Everyone will rember the naked scene, no one will remember the passing comment or innuendo or ACTUAL ACTING that the scene may have triggered in later parts of the movie.
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Good for her. We are, mind and body, products of sexual selection, and should have fun with it.

I don't get what's up with the mainstream narrative these days. It's all "all women are sexy! flaunt it!", until they actually are, and it changes to "no! put it away!". If she was unattractive, the twitterati would be all "yes queen, slay them!". The main deciding factor for whether it's OK to say that a lady is sexy, is apparently whether the lady isn't sexy. It's as if our world is being run by that guy from Sesame Street who lived in a bin.
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tallyho wrote: 1 month ago 20 years later can you really remember accurately how you felt that day? How many of those memories are merged with dreams or thoughts you may have had over the incident since. Later regret could easily manifest itself as 'I never should have done that' to' I never wanted to do that' to 'They made me do that' and the subconscious then is convinced you were coerced into it whereas you may not have been.
I generally agree that time passage muddles things... but I definitively don't believe in the philosophy that 'so and so did a thing in the past, thus they must always and forever hold by that thing ever and always!' The indication above was 'if Actress did panty shot, she should be forbidden from complaining about doing panty shots' and to me that's just a whole silly log of hogwash.
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Some sectors of Star Trek fandom have developed bizarre ideas across the decades of what "real Trek" is supposed to be and what "Gene's vision" was. Like the delusion that Star Wars fandom developed that it was all about some highbrow monomyth, heroes' journey bullshit, the Star Trek fandom developed this notion that the franchise had always stood for whatever their own abstract (often ridiculously prudish) idea of utopian progress was. The whole "ZOMG they showed her in underwear" fracas was always bizarre coming from the fans of a franchise built on this:

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If the complainers were really all that concerned about sexism, what they would have been offended by in Into Darkness is the fact that Alice Eve's character has almost no impact on the actual story, not that she appears in underwear for a couple of seconds. (Old-timey Star Trek did have some quite brutal sexism going on in its storylines and there would be grounds to say that Into Darkness bears rather too much similarity to that aspect of the original series, but tellingly, most of the complainers didn't notice that.)
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The complainers are co-alphas. They are neither left nor right. The complainers in woke ideology are merely the church ladies of the past. The ideology to them is meaningless, just the power it wields.

BTW NotUv2 I have never heard oldie star trek fans ever complain about hot chics in star trek films. Nearly all the complaints of people like 7 of 9 and this underwear scene comes from younger next gen type fans. Older fans know Kirk had space herpes. If you watch New Voyagers and Continuing Voyages you'll see this common theme.
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Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago The complainers are co-alphas. They are neither left nor right. The complainers in woke ideology are merely the church ladies of the past. The ideology to them is meaningless, just the power it wields.

BTW NotUv2 I have never heard oldie star trek fans ever complain about hot chics in star trek films. Nearly all the complaints of people like 7 of 9 and this underwear scene comes from younger next gen type fans. Older fans know Kirk had space herpes. If you watch New Voyagers and Continuing Voyages you'll see this common theme.
X. People in this thread are agreeing with you. Can you not do the 'woke church ladies' thing again, please? You explain it in the same way in dozens of threads, over and over. Most people on this thread are - broadly - on your side here. Please do not go out of your way to make your position as irritating to agree with as humanly possible.
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Damselbinder wrote: 1 month ago
X. People in this thread are agreeing with you. Can you not do the 'woke church ladies' thing again, please? You explain it in the same way in dozens of threads, over and over. Most people on this thread are - broadly - on your side here. Please do not go out of your way to make your position as irritating to agree with as humanly possible.
I'm explaining it so the conversation does not drift into a left/right tug of war. Its important to realize there is this third group who crap on everything regardless of ideology. The rebels, the rioters, the activists, the saviors. This discussion is LITERALLY about do-gooder saviors complaining about a non-issue and how one actress stood up for herself. A NON-ISSUE.

If you don't want things "brought up" over and over then don't bring THESE issues up over and over. And I can point out you TOO bring things up over and over. Plenty of people bring up the same conclusions in each thread. Femina for example.

And we have those "savior" types here. That one person who keeps turning everything into racism for example.

"What' wrong with this sexy Spider Woman cover" is probably going to illicit the same responses that have always been made by YOU and EVERY person on this forum. Singling me out makes no point.
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God Damn it.
Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago
Damselbinder wrote: 1 month ago
X. People in this thread are agreeing with you. Can you not do the 'woke church ladies' thing again, please? You explain it in the same way in dozens of threads, over and over. Most people on this thread are - broadly - on your side here. Please do not go out of your way to make your position as irritating to agree with as humanly possible.
I'm explaining it so the conversation does not drift into a left/right tug of war. Its important to realize there is this third group who crap on everything regardless of ideology. The rebels, the rioters, the activists, the saviors.
If a woman complains that there's too many panty shots in a movie I agree that it's silly to do complain about for the sake of complaining... I also fully agree that yes there ARE people who WILL complain for the 'sake' of complaining... but we do need to bear in mind that there absolutely exist people who complain for more legitimate personal reasons. I.E. perhaps someone who found themselves pressured into a Panty Shot they wish they hadn't done. That's not rebels, rioting or activism to then say 'I regret that I was pressured to do this thing and wish I didn't have to spend the rest of my life worrying if other women are being pressured to do this thing' The fact you're notating the third group presupposes the existence of groups 1 and 2... and we don't get to question the legitimacy of those groups JUST because group three exists... all we can really do is try to deduce which group the speaker belongs to and try to come to our own opinions accordingly until and/or unless further evidence becomes available.

So let's just NOT forget THAT as well shall we? It's important to realize ALL the groups... ALL of them... okay? We good. Otherwise I agree. It's pretty dumb to just complain at a thing for the sake of complaining... and that entertainment medium is one of the worst sectors of society comprised of this particular behavioral pattern.
If you don't want things "brought up" over and over then don't bring THESE issues up over and over. And I can point out you TOO bring things up over and over. Plenty of people bring up the same conclusions in each thread. Femina for example.
Let's be crystal clear here, I don't truck around creating threads for controversy around here right? I'm not the one doing that. I'm not the one putting up stuff like this and inciting the conflict by opening up the topic with all the 'triggering' phrases right up front that bring up the usual scuffles. There's an OBVIOUS unabashed quality to the topic starter just casually chucking out 'woke' like they don't know full well it's absolutely going to call down the fury like it always does, an action that's either misinformed, naïve, or else fishing. I don't go and make threads and begin them like 'Good on these mates! All these racist rednecks today are really harshin' muh vibe!' because I know full damn well that's gonna piss people off and come to nothing and generally isn't fair. I RESPOND if and when I see a statement made I don't believe should stand alone, and/or when I want to chat about some sexy superheroines with someone or else chat about movies and video games in the 'miscelanious' topics and that's about it.
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First heard about this Alice Eve thing on The Quartering. Good for her. She still looks fantastic, and reminds me of Natasha Henstridge.
She has a solid career, mostly in Europe but also in the US, which countless ingenues would kill to have.

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Photos of the Star Trek lovelies are always nice (Nichelle had some nice abs on her, didn't she, back then?) but if someone
would post actual photos of Alice from that underwear scene in question, that would be very nice too, and extremely relevant to the topic.
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That's where we disagree. Those "far leftists" are merely the same people who used religious extremism in the past to be the managers. They were never religious or woke or leftist, they are social managers. Woke is just the new church today, the new power base. Social managers always exist... its evolution. The saviors, heroes, activists... they aren't left or right... they are just vampires (issue parasites) that need to be dragged out of their coffins into disinfecting sunlight and exposed for the fakes they really are.
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Right I've removed the political diatribe from the above posts and it's quoted offspring.


LET'S AVOID SUCH POLITICAL COMMENTARY PLEASE
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Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago That's where we disagree. Those "far leftists" are merely the same people who used religious extremism in the past to be the managers.
The religious extremism is, unfortunately, very far from being in the past but I don't disagree that attempts to control people's sexuality are very much cross-spectrum, using either ideology or religion or "anti-trafficking" as an excuse for a more basic drive for control. We've certainly seen a lot of that in various attacks on sites used by sex workers.

In re: the point about the younger fans being the source of the nerdrage in this particular instance, could be. I hadn't noticed a particular pattern in the Trek boards I frequent but it's not like I've done surveys or anything. Pleased to see we're fellow fans of Star Trek: Continues, that's a truly unbelievable fan production.
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Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago That's where we disagree. Those "far leftists" are merely the same people who used religious extremism in the past to be the managers. They were never religious or woke or leftist, they are social managers. Woke is just the new church today, the new power base. Social managers always exist... its evolution. The saviors, heroes, activists... they aren't left or right... they are just vampires (issue parasites) that need to be dragged out of their coffins into disinfecting sunlight and exposed for the fakes they really are.
You like to talk a lot in an objective voice about a lot of things much more muddled and vague than they are. I do wish I had as much blind zealous certitude in the universe as you do... but it's pretty much fantasy.
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NotUv2 wrote: 1 month ago

In re: the point about the younger fans being the source of the nerdrage in this particular instance, could be. I hadn't noticed a particular pattern in the Trek boards I frequent but it's not like I've done surveys or anything. Pleased to see we're fellow fans of Star Trek: Continues, that's a truly unbelievable fan production.
Yeah they did awesome work and it shows what can be done with a small budget. The CGI is actually pretty good. The New Voyages ones with Elvis Kirk are a bit more absurd. And both series suffer from too many "member-berries" being tossed around. However it shows that an audience can be satisfied with a small budget production.
I don't disagree that attempts to control people's sexuality are very much cross-spectrum
That's why I'm not aligning this with left/right. Its just both can be polarized. Today's Antifa are yesterday's extreme right to lifers blowing up abortion clinics. In nearly all cases its the activists causing the issues, the group they claim to defend is meaningless. Same people, just a new cause to use as their fake moral high ground. Banning porn due to depravity vs objectification is meaningless.... its the same action.
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Mr. X wrote: 1 month agoToday's Antifa are yesterday's extreme right to lifers blowing up abortion clinics.
Well, I wouldn't compare Antifa to today's or yesterday's extreme right -- certainly not to today's -- but certainly the distribution of assholes is complex. That's as far as I'll comment for the time being. Have a nice day.
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There are so many other areas to criticize the Abrams abomination than this
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Dazzle1 wrote: 1 month ago There are so many other areas to criticize the Abrams abomination than this
Very true. You could drive fleets of starships through the plot holes in Into Darkness.
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Dazzle1 wrote: 1 month ago There are so many other areas to criticize the Abrams abomination than this
If eve had a bright shinning light behind her the scene would have been far better
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NotUv2 wrote: 1 month ago
Mr. X wrote: 1 month ago Pleased to see we're fellow fans of Star Trek: Continues, that's a truly unbelievable fan production.
Star Trek Continues is unbelievably good. Created and starred-in by a prominent voice actor who has experienced quite a bit of
cancel culture himself, but is slowly rebounding back from it.

I still don't see anyone posting the Alice Eve still photos in question. I would think that is the core issue of the topic of this thread.

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Re: Alice Eve Says She’s Proud Of Controversial Star Trek Underwear Scene

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Above attribution is wrong, @shevek... not that I disagree with it. Something I could have said (except that Vic Mignogna's offscreen problems appear to be his own fault, I mean about the show being good).

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Re: Alice Eve Says She’s Proud Of Controversial Star Trek Underwear Scene

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It is a tragedy that this thread killed itself without mentioning the Theiss Titillation Theory, which should be a full lecture in the 101 course for this website.
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Re: Alice Eve Says She’s Proud Of Controversial Star Trek Underwear Scene

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Imagineer wrote: 3 weeks ago It is a tragedy that this thread killed itself without mentioning the Theiss Titillation Theory, which should be a full lecture in the 101 course for this website.
"The sexiness of an outfit is directly proportional to the perceived possibility that a vital piece of it might fall off."
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