"Batgirl" movie canceled by WB (Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah directed)

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I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
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Mr. X wrote:
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I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
I don't claim to understand the system, but from observation, while sexy ladies of the stage and screen are going the way of the dinosaurs, and if you disagree you're on the wrong side of history, sweaty, (some approximation of) sexy ladies packing something extra is our enlightened future, and why that's a good thing by vox dot com. It is what it is. Beggars can't be choosers!
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I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
????
Is that a general comment or specifically towards Leslie Grace?
Haven't read that she is a trans woman and I don't know which many trans women you have spotted in other roles that might be relevant to us. :hmmm:
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An artist on Instagram put Leslie Grace in the Arkham video game costume:
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Yeah, not too bad....even the actress would need some....padding.
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My guess is Mr. X is using hyperbole to make the point that the mainstream superhero outlets are moving to make more of the predominant straight white superheroes and superheroines something other than straight and white.
The move makes sense to make the genre reflect the diverse array of people who follow the genre. The issue may be the single direction of the move: established characters are changed from being straight white characters to something else, but no characters are changed from something else to straight white characters. The media loves it when the move is made, and it jumps on any creation that lacks what it feels is adequate diversity (see Lin Manuel Miranda and his ridiculous coerced apology for his latest creation…ignoring what he’s already done to expand diversity!).

I’ll speak for myself in that I don’t care about a character’s superficial qualities (those that are innate). I just want them to be interesting, dynamic and somewhat unique. But I’m of the mindset that someone’s race, gender or sexual preference is just a superficial layer; their character, personality, hobbies and interests are what I find intriguing. (I was raised with the MLK view so maybe I’m just a boomer and can’t quite come around to the current zeitgeist.)
Anyhow, just wanted to jump in with a thought. Back to analyzing the new Batgirl…
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Maskripper wrote:
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Mr. X wrote:
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I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
????
Is that a general comment or specifically towards Leslie Grace?
Haven't read that she is a trans woman and I don't know which many trans women you have spotted in other roles that might be relevant to us. :hmmm:
I just took it as sarcasm against the general industry casting
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I just took it as sarcasm against the general industry casting
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This chick looks white to me. Maybe this is an American thing. Is "latino" sort of like spanish or italian? In Europe, they're considered to be white people, but I'm not really an expert on such matters.

Perhaps 50 years ago in the USA an aspiring actor with the same genetic codes as lady this might "identify as" white (though that kind of weird language was yet to be invented, or at least, yet to be let loose on, and lay waste to wider society, but i digress!), because back in the day that probably was to your advantage. These days though, people will claim whatever "colourfullness" they can, because it's what the casting people are looking for, for whatever reason. Don't hate the player. Doubleplusunlove the game!

Anyway, modern bollocks aside, the thing I really care about is how well this lady can do martial arts in a sparkly purple catsuit.
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This chick looks white to me. Maybe this is an American thing. Is "latino" sort of like spanish or italian? In Europe, they're considered to be white people, but I'm not really an expert on such matters.

Perhaps 50 years ago in the USA an aspiring actor with the same genetic codes as lady this might "identify as" white (though that kind of weird language was yet to be invented, or at least, yet to be let loose on, and lay waste to wider society, but i digress!), because back in the day that probably was to your advantage. These days though, people will claim whatever "colourfullness" they can, because it's what the casting people are looking for, for whatever reason. Don't hate the player. Doubleplusunlove the game!

Anyway, modern bollocks aside, the thing I really care about is how well this lady can do martial arts in a sparkly purple catsuit.
I agree with you. The important thing is that she looks good. In wikipedia it says that she is of Dominican descent and appears with the name Leslie Grace Martinez. The surname Martinez is of Spanish origin. The predominant ethnicity in Italy and Spain is Caucasian. Latino comes from Lazio, an Italian region, but it is used with people coming from some Latin American country. My grandparents were among the many Italians who escaped the fascism of WWII.
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I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them? Why is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman? Why is it okay to change these ladies to kowtow to some BS Nuevo social agenda, regardless of the loyalty of the long-time established fan base that made them popular? No, I feel they want us to accept their version of an iconic heroine, because they don’t have the courage to create and support their own character.

If they want to be “Woke” and have a “Woke” heroine then they need to step up and create one. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.” They need to quit taking shortcuts. If they want to make a change then make a real change, create. Don’t steal an icon and then force a ridiculous version on the consumer as something new and improved. And they shouldn’t act surprised, hurt, and complain when the consumer doesn’t support their “new and improved” version. Create an original superheroine and support it. Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome. Otherwise, they aren’t truly trying to add value. They are just being agents fostering hate and discontent.
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McGheeny wrote:
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Why is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman?
To get you to argue about it.
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McGheeny wrote:
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I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them? Why is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman? Why is it okay to change these ladies to kowtow to some BS Nuevo social agenda, regardless of the loyalty of the long-time established fan base that made them popular? No, I feel they want us to accept their version of an iconic heroine, because they don’t have the courage to create and support their own character.

If they want to be “Woke” and have a “Woke” heroine then they need to step up and create one. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.” They need to quit taking shortcuts. If they want to make a change then make a real change, create. Don’t steal an icon and then force a ridiculous version on the consumer as something new and improved. And they shouldn’t act surprised, hurt, and complain when the consumer doesn’t support their “new and improved” version. Create an original superheroine and support it. Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome. Otherwise, they aren’t truly trying to add value. They are just being agents fostering hate and discontent.
There are lots of such characters in the comics. But the vast majority of the famous ones and marketable ones are white.



Say, they made Nick Fury black in the movies when he's traditionally been white, didn't they? Strange. I don't remember anyone complaining about that.
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Say, they made Nick Fury black in the movies when he's traditionally been white, didn't they? Strange. I don't remember anyone complaining about that.
Probably because most of us are interested in Superheroines.

Besides, if you needed a great actor to portray a badass character, you just can’t go wrong with Samuel L. Jackson. IMHO.
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When I think of woke characters I now think about the new Ms. Marvel. The choice for Batgirl while not my first choice will still be amazingly sexy if they do the costume right and have it skin tight in all the right places and put her in perilous situations or traps or at least a headlock or submission hold in a fight with a hot villainess...either way be glad we get the Bat chick on screen...just opens up more opportunities for new fan art/stories/cosplay and porn parody
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I bet the costume will be all black with some yellow, like this one
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Damn, I would LOVE that!
But I have a bad feeling.....a bad ...purple Burnside crap costume.... feeling.
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I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them?
They did, McGheeny. On the Marvel side, Sana Amanat tried with Ms Marvel. Sana's top presence in the company ensures they'll continue to push Kamala in all possible media. Kamala has some cosplayer cred, but she is still not a household name after several years of promotion, bombardment to libraries, and the Marvel Rising cartoons. She will be, once the Ms. Marvel TV show and the "Marvels" movie with Carol and Monica comes out. "Marvels" will be the MCU's ultimate progressive accomplishment to date.

The other obvious Marvel one is Riri Williams (Ironheart). DC hasn't been quite as active in that regard but Naomi is probably the best example. Interesting that both Riri and Naomi were created by Brian Michael Bendis as tributes to his two adopted daughters.

There were also attempts to create entire woke teams. Gail Simone tried for DC with The Movement, but nobody paid attention. Daniel Kibblesmith tried an all-new New Warriors lineup and was laughed at so hard that the book never even came out in floppy form. Vita Ayala's Children of the Atom team also has minimal popularity at best, despite being part of the X-men line.

Basically, this stuff doesn't sell. The audience for it is tiny, and incredibly niche. And most of the people who applaud the existence of these characters do so as armchair activists - they do not buy comics. The only way this works is if they inject into an already incredibly popular property, which is what will happen with "Marvels".

As for the Batgirl movie - as I said, I saw Bad Boys for Life. It was violent, sexy and fun. I have faith in Adil and Billal to be able to do the same with Batgirl, even to the extent of having a nice form-fitting costume for the actress. Let's see if that faith is justified - it's going to be a while, anyway.
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Basically, this stuff doesn't sell. The audience for it is tiny, and incredibly niche. And most of the people who applaud the existence of these characters do so as armchair activists - they do not buy comics.
I can appreciate and do applaud the attempt to create, Kudos! Cheers to those, like Marvel and others for making the effort. The idea IS to create and set a New path.

Unfortunately, the lackluster and poor reception of these characters still does not justify the appropriation of iconic figures. These figures started out many moons ago as someone’s new idea. Publications and producers spent time and money to cultivate a following. Now, because of an unenthusiastic response from the market, and a neo-spastic lame misguided social agenda, we are subjected, and forced, to accept, sometimes ridiculous, changes to time tested characters of our choosing? “Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome.” Ripping off an icon should never be the answer.

I saw and enjoyed the, “Bad Boys for Life” movie. I have no doubt the partnership can bring excitement and action to the big screen. Truly, I hope they do justice to the Batgirl character, but I can still, and will always reserve the right, to be disappointed with casting selections. Believe it or not, I look at actress selection also using a business philosophy. Not only did I believe Mackenzie Foy or Thomasin McKenzie could do a good job, but they are young enough to support a potential future franchise. Their youth and inexperience can improve as they grow, along with the Batgirl character, as she ages.

From a business standpoint, you hire a 24–25-year-old actress for movie one. It takes 18-24 months for shooting, post-production, and distribution. Now, with positive reviews, and a decent gate, a second movie is proposed. Now you have a 27-28-year-old actress playing a younger character. You can follow the progression. That is how you end up with a “Supergirl” TV show, with a 30-year-old actress, playing a 20 something heroine, and all the problems that comes with such a production.

I absolutely respect and support your view. I just ask the same consideration for the other points of view.
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He really showed he could act when he was in the thriller about Getty getting kidnapped in Italy and he played the fixer called in to track him down and do a deal. He was brilliant. Looking forward to seeing him show similar menace
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I wasn't expecting this news. Very intriguing.
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Brendan Fraser is looking more and more like old Darth Vader with his helmet off.
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Michael THE BATMAN Keaton....really great news!
Always a bonus for me when he shows up in a movie.
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Ok, my biggest fear is gone now. They are using a cowl and not an eye mask.
The cowl looks really good but doesn't seem to have a chin strap unless it's hidden in the shadows.
So basically she is wearing a helmet ;-)
The long red wig(?) looks also really good and her face looks great under the cowl (and without a cowl as well).

Now on to the costume. Ok, I do like leather, but I would have preferred a black costume over this.
Leslie Grace doesn't exactly have big....twins. And in this leather costume, they get even "minimalized" as the suit's material is rather thick in places.
At least it looks like that.
But well, overall I do like the costume. After Catwoman in "The Batman" and the costume disaster in the "Birds of Prey" movie this is certainly a better one.
I hope Leslie can play the role well and that the script will be good.
And the hardcore comic fans will notice that this costume is very accurate to the one in the comics.
Not a plus point for me as I would have wished they would have chosen the costume from the Arkham video games.
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even by the handwringing moral panic standards of this forum

the absolute state of this thread

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The costume with the cowel is pretty good. The cowl was the was iconic on the YC version (it went great with her facial features). I realize making a good looking cowl that fits is probably a challenging task, but I never really thought anything else was Batgirl.

Maybe she’ll have a summer uniform (like YC’s). 😉
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She is going to burn up in that, be so hot and sweaty that she will be a drenched mess when she (or someone else) takes it off!!!
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I remember laughing at it then, but I really miss the rubber nipples DC cinematic universe.
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It just looks like bike leathers with a yellow bat stuck on it.
Oh for something slinky.
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Also her utility belt seems to have her armed with an array of lipsticks.
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I don't think it looks bad. I think maybe I'd expect a Batperson to have a somewhat more futuristic feel to their costume, but perhaps I've just seen the Dark Knight films too often. This Batgirl may not have any particular connection to a Bruce Wayne or whatever, so maybe her vibe is meant to be a bit more home-grown. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. Certainly Batgirl-looking enough for me.
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She is going to burn up in that, be so hot and sweaty that she will be a drenched mess when she (or someone else) takes it off!!!
My suspicion is you were planning on making her a sloppy wet mess anyway… :devil: :shutup2: :shutup2:
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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She is going to burn up in that, be so hot and sweaty that she will be a drenched mess when she (or someone else) takes it off!!!
My suspicion is you were planning on making her a sloppy wet mess anyway… :devil: :shutup2: :shutup2:
That IS what a Catwoman is supposed to do to their captive flying mouse!!!
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If Spiderman can wear a skin-tight outfit for Disney/Marvel, why can't Batgirl? The outfit looks exactly like I imagined it would: an ultra-conservative padded outfit desexualizing the character. DC's argument would be, of course, that Batgirl should not be sexualized. Unfortunately, she was sexualized in the show and the comics (special thanks to Ed Benes and Jim Balent), so it's disappointing to see a good-looking actress' sexiness hidden beneath an asexual costume.
I suppose the question is: how much does Batgirl's sexy outfit--a skintight costume highlighting her curves--define how someone sees Batgirl? If Batgirl wore a hoodie and sweatpants (for whatever reason), would she still be Batgirl? To further the point, how much was Oracle's character actually Batgirl? Same person, yet without the costume and physical abilities, she is no longer referred to as Batgirl but rebranded as Oracle.
On the plus side, seeing Jim Weathers' upcoming Batgirl video is just the type of Batgirl I hope to see more of. Jim Weathers has created more of a Batgirl character than DC has, so a big thank you to Jim!
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It's a pretty good recreation of what is basically her current comic book look. Personally I'd RATHER have a batgirl with the same kind of 'tactical armor' appearance we get as Batman (so mostly just like her new 52 look) BUT............. I doubt very much that's practical in live action for delivering the sort of highly acrobatic combat we'd like to see from a Batgirl film without heavy reliance on crap cg... I mean it took them this long just to solve how to make batman's neck move... so his brand of crimefighting Kung Fu has always been a sort of stationary and very deliberate and brutal martial art and 'mobility' has always been limited by the realities of an actor or stunt man geared up in that armor...

I know there's probably people who are gonna be like 'so put her in a lycra catstuit!' or some such as well....... but I honestly don't like that look for ANYONE in the Batfamily... not Batman either... his cloth costumes with Superman underbriefs don't make a lick of sense for a non-powered vigilante consistently up against SUPERPOWERED enemies... and that difficulty of suspension of disbelief transfers to Batgirl. All and all, I expect this will look pretty good in motion and onscreen with some movie magic.
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sugarcoater wrote:
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If Spiderman can wear a skin-tight outfit for Disney/Marvel, why can't Batgirl? The outfit looks exactly like I imagined it would: an ultra-conservative padded outfit desexualizing the character. DC's argument would be, of course, that Batgirl should not be sexualized. Unfortunately, she was sexualized in the show and the comics (special thanks to Ed Benes and Jim Balent), so it's disappointing to see a good-looking actress' sexiness hidden beneath an asexual costume.
I suppose the question is: how much does Batgirl's sexy outfit--a skintight costume highlighting her curves--define how someone sees Batgirl? If Batgirl wore a hoodie and sweatpants (for whatever reason), would she still be Batgirl? To further the point, how much was Oracle's character actually Batgirl? Same person, yet without the costume and physical abilities, she is no longer referred to as Batgirl but rebranded as Oracle.
On the plus side, seeing Jim Weathers' upcoming Batgirl video is just the type of Batgirl I hope to see more of. Jim Weathers has created more of a Batgirl character than DC has, so a big thank you to Jim!
Listen, I feel like I represent a lot of liberal lesbian/BI well educated highly paid open minded women and I think it is highly acceptable to over sexualize Batgirl & make her costume skin tight showing off her highly trained fit crime fighting form, that she uses to throw off her attackers...go for it!!! And yes Thank God for JW Batgirl vids ....he is the best thing to happen to Batgirl since the Pattern cutter went to work on her in the 60's
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For those who don't know the new(er) Batgirl comics, it's pretty accurate, that you can certainly say...

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sugarcoater wrote:
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If Spiderman can wear a skin-tight outfit for Disney/Marvel, why can't Batgirl? The outfit looks exactly like I imagined it would: an ultra-conservative padded outfit desexualizing the character. DC's argument would be, of course, that Batgirl should not be sexualized. Unfortunately, she was sexualized in the show and the comics (special thanks to Ed Benes and Jim Balent), so it's disappointing to see a good-looking actress' sexiness hidden beneath an asexual costume.
I suppose the question is: how much does Batgirl's sexy outfit--a skintight costume highlighting her curves--define how someone sees Batgirl? If Batgirl wore a hoodie and sweatpants (for whatever reason), would she still be Batgirl? To further the point, how much was Oracle's character actually Batgirl? Same person, yet without the costume and physical abilities, she is no longer referred to as Batgirl but rebranded as Oracle.
On the plus side, seeing Jim Weathers' upcoming Batgirl video is just the type of Batgirl I hope to see more of. Jim Weathers has created more of a Batgirl character than DC has, so a big thank you to Jim!
The thing for ME is... this is a movie... I'm not necessarily watching this to get hot or horny. I'm like to watch this in a room with people at some point... and thus I'm watching this movie and meant to take it SERIOUSLY.... and while sure, Spiderman can zip around in tights all day long... if he gets punched by a supervillain and goes skidding across the asphault as a result it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief... he's a SUPERhero. Babs is a vulnerable ass woman in a costume with some gadgets... her suit and gadgets are her superpower. It has to have some kind of protection or else it can't be taken even marginally seriously. Batgirl in ordinary tights in a movie I'm supposed to take seriously just doesn't work... Frankly Catwoman's skating on eggshells of nostalgia these days as is... but she tends to try to AVOID fighting as much as possible... whereas Batgirl is seeking out things she's got to actively combat on a regular basis.
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Femina wrote:
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sugarcoater wrote:
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If Spiderman can wear a skin-tight outfit for Disney/Marvel, why can't Batgirl? The outfit looks exactly like I imagined it would: an ultra-conservative padded outfit desexualizing the character. DC's argument would be, of course, that Batgirl should not be sexualized. Unfortunately, she was sexualized in the show and the comics (special thanks to Ed Benes and Jim Balent), so it's disappointing to see a good-looking actress' sexiness hidden beneath an asexual costume.
I suppose the question is: how much does Batgirl's sexy outfit--a skintight costume highlighting her curves--define how someone sees Batgirl? If Batgirl wore a hoodie and sweatpants (for whatever reason), would she still be Batgirl? To further the point, how much was Oracle's character actually Batgirl? Same person, yet without the costume and physical abilities, she is no longer referred to as Batgirl but rebranded as Oracle.
On the plus side, seeing Jim Weathers' upcoming Batgirl video is just the type of Batgirl I hope to see more of. Jim Weathers has created more of a Batgirl character than DC has, so a big thank you to Jim!
The thing for ME is... this is a movie... I'm not necessarily watching this to get hot or horny. I'm like to watch this in a room with people at some point... and thus I'm watching this movie and meant to take it SERIOUSLY.... and while sure, Spiderman can zip around in tights all day long... if he gets punched by a supervillain and goes skidding across the asphault as a result it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief... he's a SUPERhero. Babs is a vulnerable ass woman in a costume with some gadgets... her suit and gadgets are her superpower. It has to have some kind of protection or else it can't be taken even marginally seriously. Batgirl in ordinary tights in a movie I'm supposed to take seriously just doesn't work... Frankly Catwoman's skating on eggshells of nostalgia these days as is... but she tends to try to AVOID fighting as much as possible... whereas Batgirl is seeking out things she's got to actively combat on a regular basis.
Your points make perfect sense. I’m just coming from the concept of Batgirl being a fantasy character with very limited realism. For a real vigilante character, why would they go with a cape and a bat outfit? It’s already unrealistic to begin with. Then add the lack of using any weapons against people who want to do her real harm. A vigilante would be better off going incognito and dressing as a commonplace civilian to hide in plain sight. I’m thinking a female Denzel Washington from the “The Equalizer”.

So I’m just coming from the perspective of wanting Batgirl to be a sexy fantasy character.
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Your points make perfect sense. I’m just coming from the concept of Batgirl being a fantasy character with very limited realism. For a real vigilante character, why would they go with a cape and a bat outfit? It’s already unrealistic to begin with. Then add the lack of using any weapons against people who want to do her real harm. A vigilante would be better off going incognito and dressing as a commonplace civilian to hide in plain sight. I’m thinking a female Denzel Washington from the “The Equalizer”.

So I’m just coming from the perspective of wanting Batgirl to be a sexy fantasy character.
Franchising. Captain America has had six to ten costume changes by now... Black Widow as well. Don't forget that. If this movie works, if it succeeds and we get six more Batgirl movies... every movie will have its own costume.

If we want something less like the Burnside and more like the classics, just need to be patient... but if we all just avoid this movie cause we feel like its using the costume we appreciate the least... well, we won't be waiting a year for the next attempt... we'll be waiting TEN years... minimum.
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It's just one image, deliberately oversaturated and lit to exaggerate detail, so I'm trying not to jump to conclusions.

I like the Burnside costume in the comics. I wish they'd just done that.
This looks like another Hollywood costume designer spent too much time getting inspired and then forgetting the purpose in an orgy of details. It's restrained relative to their absurd norm but still too fussy by half with wrong choices. I look forward to the designer's word salad reinforcing why Hollywood should hire cosplayers to design superhero costumes.

But the costume just isn't that important to the success of the show.
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I like the Burnside costume in the comics. I wish they'd just done that.
It *is* the Burnside / Cameron Stewart costume.

Stewart won't be around much to enjoy the accolades, however, since he was MeToo'd and cancelled last year.
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I honestly don’t think any future Batgirl costumes will be alluring or sexy. The vibe from the industry—comics and movies—is not one for sexy costumes for mainstream superheroines. The move is towards creating “realistic” outfits, which is ironic as the characters and action are as unrealistic as they come.
This current move is hardly a surprise and unfortunately to be expected for at least the foreseeable future.
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I like the Burnside costume in the comics. I wish they'd just done that.
It *is* the Burnside / Cameron Stewart costume.

Stewart won't be around much to enjoy the accolades, however, since he was MeToo'd and cancelled last year.
It clearly isn't. It's some designer's overdone quilted-pillow-and-bullet-lipstick bullshit that they'll generously say was "inspired by" to mean "improved on" the Burnside costume.

I'll be shocked if the boots aren't an overwrought shitshow too.
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For those who don't know the new(er) Batgirl comics, it's pretty accurate, that you can certainly say...

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(still would have preferred the black costume from earlier days)
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I have to assume you are being sarcastic as the side by side just illustrates it's extremely inaccurate - no black top to the mask, no black shoulder fastening pads, no yellow gloves, no large utility pouches.

Don't get me wrong I think it's about what I expected (and apart from could've been more figure hugging. Is fair enough)
And I prefer it to what is currently in the comics.

BUT if you blocked out her head there is no bust whatsoever and it could easily be a dude in that suit.
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BUT if you blocked out her head there is no bust whatsoever and it could easily be a dude in that suit.
That's why I think it should be a dude. Probably would do a better job like that trans swimmer.


BTW if this were a Nightwing movie does anyone have any doubt they would use some latest young hunk and there would be a shirtless scene?
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No, I wasn't sarcastic. It's pretty accurate except for the aspects you mentioned....
If you call that extremely inaccurate.... what would a pink cotton sweater costume on top of jeans then be in comparison? ;-)
Yeah, they didn't make a 1:1 copy, which would be the easiest way as they wouldn't have to put any own input in it, but they made a version very much based on the burnside costume from the comics.

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@tallyho:
No, I wasn't sarcastic. It's pretty accurate except for the aspects you mentioned....
If you call that extremely inaccurate.... what would a pink cotton sweater costume on top of jeans then be in comparison? ;-)
Yeah, they didn't make a 1:1 copy, which would be the easiest way as they wouldn't have to put any own input in it, but they made a version very much based on the burnside costume from the comics.

@Grinchmaster X:
Wow, a new low.
So please enlighten me what are the accurate bits? It's blue... The Cape is yellow lined... And...?
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