"Batgirl" movie in development (Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah to direct)

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I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
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Mr. X wrote: 4 months ago I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
I don't claim to understand the system, but from observation, while sexy ladies of the stage and screen are going the way of the dinosaurs, and if you disagree you're on the wrong side of history, sweaty, (some approximation of) sexy ladies packing something extra is our enlightened future, and why that's a good thing by vox dot com. It is what it is. Beggars can't be choosers!
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Mr. X wrote: 4 months ago I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
????
Is that a general comment or specifically towards Leslie Grace?
Haven't read that she is a trans woman and I don't know which many trans women you have spotted in other roles that might be relevant to us. :hmmm:
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An artist on Instagram put Leslie Grace in the Arkham video game costume:
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Yeah, not too bad....even the actress would need some....padding.
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My guess is Mr. X is using hyperbole to make the point that the mainstream superhero outlets are moving to make more of the predominant straight white superheroes and superheroines something other than straight and white.
The move makes sense to make the genre reflect the diverse array of people who follow the genre. The issue may be the single direction of the move: established characters are changed from being straight white characters to something else, but no characters are changed from something else to straight white characters. The media loves it when the move is made, and it jumps on any creation that lacks what it feels is adequate diversity (see Lin Manuel Miranda and his ridiculous coerced apology for his latest creation…ignoring what he’s already done to expand diversity!).

I’ll speak for myself in that I don’t care about a character’s superficial qualities (those that are innate). I just want them to be interesting, dynamic and somewhat unique. But I’m of the mindset that someone’s race, gender or sexual preference is just a superficial layer; their character, personality, hobbies and interests are what I find intriguing. (I was raised with the MLK view so maybe I’m just a boomer and can’t quite come around to the current zeitgeist.)
Anyhow, just wanted to jump in with a thought. Back to analyzing the new Batgirl…
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Maskripper wrote: 4 months ago
Mr. X wrote: 4 months ago I'm sure the lovely trans woman they get for Batgirl will do a wonderful job.
????
Is that a general comment or specifically towards Leslie Grace?
Haven't read that she is a trans woman and I don't know which many trans women you have spotted in other roles that might be relevant to us. :hmmm:
I just took it as sarcasm against the general industry casting
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tallyho wrote: 4 months ago
I just took it as sarcasm against the general industry casting
No I'm legit.
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This chick looks white to me. Maybe this is an American thing. Is "latino" sort of like spanish or italian? In Europe, they're considered to be white people, but I'm not really an expert on such matters.

Perhaps 50 years ago in the USA an aspiring actor with the same genetic codes as lady this might "identify as" white (though that kind of weird language was yet to be invented, or at least, yet to be let loose on, and lay waste to wider society, but i digress!), because back in the day that probably was to your advantage. These days though, people will claim whatever "colourfullness" they can, because it's what the casting people are looking for, for whatever reason. Don't hate the player. Doubleplusunlove the game!

Anyway, modern bollocks aside, the thing I really care about is how well this lady can do martial arts in a sparkly purple catsuit.
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ivandobsky wrote: 4 months ago This chick looks white to me. Maybe this is an American thing. Is "latino" sort of like spanish or italian? In Europe, they're considered to be white people, but I'm not really an expert on such matters.

Perhaps 50 years ago in the USA an aspiring actor with the same genetic codes as lady this might "identify as" white (though that kind of weird language was yet to be invented, or at least, yet to be let loose on, and lay waste to wider society, but i digress!), because back in the day that probably was to your advantage. These days though, people will claim whatever "colourfullness" they can, because it's what the casting people are looking for, for whatever reason. Don't hate the player. Doubleplusunlove the game!

Anyway, modern bollocks aside, the thing I really care about is how well this lady can do martial arts in a sparkly purple catsuit.
I agree with you. The important thing is that she looks good. In wikipedia it says that she is of Dominican descent and appears with the name Leslie Grace Martinez. The surname Martinez is of Spanish origin. The predominant ethnicity in Italy and Spain is Caucasian. Latino comes from Lazio, an Italian region, but it is used with people coming from some Latin American country. My grandparents were among the many Italians who escaped the fascism of WWII.
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I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them? Why is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman? Why is it okay to change these ladies to kowtow to some BS Nuevo social agenda, regardless of the loyalty of the long-time established fan base that made them popular? No, I feel they want us to accept their version of an iconic heroine, because they don’t have the courage to create and support their own character.

If they want to be “Woke” and have a “Woke” heroine then they need to step up and create one. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.” They need to quit taking shortcuts. If they want to make a change then make a real change, create. Don’t steal an icon and then force a ridiculous version on the consumer as something new and improved. And they shouldn’t act surprised, hurt, and complain when the consumer doesn’t support their “new and improved” version. Create an original superheroine and support it. Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome. Otherwise, they aren’t truly trying to add value. They are just being agents fostering hate and discontent.
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McGheeny wrote: 4 months agoWhy is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman?
To get you to argue about it.
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McGheeny wrote: 4 months ago I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them? Why is it they must appropriate and change iconic figures like Supergirl, Batgirl, and Wonder Woman? Why is it okay to change these ladies to kowtow to some BS Nuevo social agenda, regardless of the loyalty of the long-time established fan base that made them popular? No, I feel they want us to accept their version of an iconic heroine, because they don’t have the courage to create and support their own character.

If they want to be “Woke” and have a “Woke” heroine then they need to step up and create one. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.” They need to quit taking shortcuts. If they want to make a change then make a real change, create. Don’t steal an icon and then force a ridiculous version on the consumer as something new and improved. And they shouldn’t act surprised, hurt, and complain when the consumer doesn’t support their “new and improved” version. Create an original superheroine and support it. Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome. Otherwise, they aren’t truly trying to add value. They are just being agents fostering hate and discontent.
There are lots of such characters in the comics. But the vast majority of the famous ones and marketable ones are white.



Say, they made Nick Fury black in the movies when he's traditionally been white, didn't they? Strange. I don't remember anyone complaining about that.
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Damselbinder wrote: 4 months ago Say, they made Nick Fury black in the movies when he's traditionally been white, didn't they? Strange. I don't remember anyone complaining about that.
Probably because most of us are interested in Superheroines.

Besides, if you needed a great actor to portray a badass character, you just can’t go wrong with Samuel L. Jackson. IMHO.
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When I think of woke characters I now think about the new Ms. Marvel. The choice for Batgirl while not my first choice will still be amazingly sexy if they do the costume right and have it skin tight in all the right places and put her in perilous situations or traps or at least a headlock or submission hold in a fight with a hot villainess...either way be glad we get the Bat chick on screen...just opens up more opportunities for new fan art/stories/cosplay and porn parody
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I bet the costume will be all black with some yellow, like this one
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@stationk:
Damn, I would LOVE that!
But I have a bad feeling.....a bad ...purple Burnside crap costume.... feeling.
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McGheeny wrote: 4 months ago I wonder, if it’s so great to have an androgynous or diverse female as a lead superheroine, why can’t they create one and support them?
They did, McGheeny. On the Marvel side, Sana Amanat tried with Ms Marvel. Sana's top presence in the company ensures they'll continue to push Kamala in all possible media. Kamala has some cosplayer cred, but she is still not a household name after several years of promotion, bombardment to libraries, and the Marvel Rising cartoons. She will be, once the Ms. Marvel TV show and the "Marvels" movie with Carol and Monica comes out. "Marvels" will be the MCU's ultimate progressive accomplishment to date.

The other obvious Marvel one is Riri Williams (Ironheart). DC hasn't been quite as active in that regard but Naomi is probably the best example. Interesting that both Riri and Naomi were created by Brian Michael Bendis as tributes to his two adopted daughters.

There were also attempts to create entire woke teams. Gail Simone tried for DC with The Movement, but nobody paid attention. Daniel Kibblesmith tried an all-new New Warriors lineup and was laughed at so hard that the book never even came out in floppy form. Vita Ayala's Children of the Atom team also has minimal popularity at best, despite being part of the X-men line.

Basically, this stuff doesn't sell. The audience for it is tiny, and incredibly niche. And most of the people who applaud the existence of these characters do so as armchair activists - they do not buy comics. The only way this works is if they inject into an already incredibly popular property, which is what will happen with "Marvels".

As for the Batgirl movie - as I said, I saw Bad Boys for Life. It was violent, sexy and fun. I have faith in Adil and Billal to be able to do the same with Batgirl, even to the extent of having a nice form-fitting costume for the actress. Let's see if that faith is justified - it's going to be a while, anyway.
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shevek wrote: 4 months ago Basically, this stuff doesn't sell. The audience for it is tiny, and incredibly niche. And most of the people who applaud the existence of these characters do so as armchair activists - they do not buy comics.
I can appreciate and do applaud the attempt to create, Kudos! Cheers to those, like Marvel and others for making the effort. The idea IS to create and set a New path.

Unfortunately, the lackluster and poor reception of these characters still does not justify the appropriation of iconic figures. These figures started out many moons ago as someone’s new idea. Publications and producers spent time and money to cultivate a following. Now, because of an unenthusiastic response from the market, and a neo-spastic lame misguided social agenda, we are subjected, and forced, to accept, sometimes ridiculous, changes to time tested characters of our choosing? “Let the market decide which they prefer and have the fortitude to accept the outcome.” Ripping off an icon should never be the answer.

I saw and enjoyed the, “Bad Boys for Life” movie. I have no doubt the partnership can bring excitement and action to the big screen. Truly, I hope they do justice to the Batgirl character, but I can still, and will always reserve the right, to be disappointed with casting selections. Believe it or not, I look at actress selection also using a business philosophy. Not only did I believe Mackenzie Foy or Thomasin McKenzie could do a good job, but they are young enough to support a potential future franchise. Their youth and inexperience can improve as they grow, along with the Batgirl character, as she ages.

From a business standpoint, you hire a 24–25-year-old actress for movie one. It takes 18-24 months for shooting, post-production, and distribution. Now, with positive reviews, and a decent gate, a second movie is proposed. Now you have a 27-28-year-old actress playing a younger character. You can follow the progression. That is how you end up with a “Supergirl” TV show, with a 30-year-old actress, playing a 20 something heroine, and all the problems that comes with such a production.

I absolutely respect and support your view. I just ask the same consideration for the other points of view.
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He really showed he could act when he was in the thriller about Getty getting kidnapped in Italy and he played the fixer called in to track him down and do a deal. He was brilliant. Looking forward to seeing him show similar menace
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