Which character: Jesus is in dispute. Iago is the only one I can think of white playing a non white character, unless you want to get into chuck connors playing Geronimo.GeekyPornCritic wrote: ↑4 years agoI agree historical people should be played by someone of the same race. This acknowledges the person's true story and place in history. However, I disagree fictional characters such as James Bond, Superman, or Blade cannot be changed. Black Panther can be changed to an Asian, but he would require a different backstory.Femina wrote: ↑4 years agoI actually don't agree with this, like at all, and I DO believe there's a problem in current Hollywood where characters races are concerned ALL AROUND. You can't change the Black Panther or Blade into white guys without utterly transforming the franchise. A person's ethnicity is intrinsically associated with their race (It's not EVERYthing about them or anything but it will ALWAYS be an enormous factor). One of the first things you learn in a cultural communications class is that IGNORING completely ethnicity isn't actually all that preferable to racism. Racial difference brings with it differing perspectives of the same things. VALUABLE perspectives of the same things. Acknowledging the differences in race, valuing differing perspectives and not feeling either inferior or superior is actually much less racist than just pretending like everyone of every race is exactly the same. In any case, back to the point, race changes EVERYTHING about a character, I guess an argument could be made Blade could be any race I suppose, but try telling that to a fan of Blade? If Blade was recast as a white guy, if ANY minority character is recast as a white guy it gets legitimate (and I DO call it legitimate) pushback. Typically minority characters shouldn't ordinarily be recast to white people. It changes the character, might as well have just made a new series about a similar type of character in a similar setting but make it something new.GeekyPornCritic wrote: ↑4 years ago
Changing a character's race does not change the franchise or create a new franchise. Nobody says Jesus is no longer Jesus because a white guy is playing him. If a black James Bond was acting like Snoop Dog, then I would agree this is no longer James Bond. However, a person's sex and race do not define their character and personality.
But another problem is that the inverse is NOT considered true. Not currently. A character who was white traditionally being cast as a minority is lauded as brave or bold and anyone who feels slighted by it is assaulted by a sort of hypocritical pushback.
Now I want to be clear here because I consider myself one of those dastardly 'SJW's all the SIW's(Social INJUSTICE warriors) like to whine about. I see the situation as is being primarily the fault that, most minorities have an alarming SHORTAGE of 'storied 40 year old franchise heroes' to draw from. It's easy to say 'go create something new and leave the classics alone' when you've got dump trucks full of storied classics created specifically for your demographic and I would like to here formally acknowledge THAT. I in no way shape or form feel qualified to make to clear an opinion on something like this where I don't necessarily have a better solution in mind, but I think the current situation is definitively a double standard, I think it was VERY true that white people WERE being cast in all sorts of traditionally minority roles in the past, but that's drying up in the wake of legit 'whitewashing' backlash... and that's GOOD... minority roles don't belong in the hands of someone who can't ever FULLY comprehend what its like to be of that ethnicity...
BUT, I'm just not sure that accusing whitewashers of racism then turning around and say, lauding a 'blackwash' as somehow different is a solution worth having? It's just a different coat of paint over the same old problem. Really I just wish we had a better trove of 40 year old classics made for all different sorts to be drawn from... in this day of remakes and rehashes though, I'm not sure this issue is really going to work itself out for a good long while as yet.
To the point of THIS particular topic, this I don't see as 'blackwashing' or anything. She's not playing James Bond, so its not the same thing. Similarly I have a different opinion where VOICE ACTING is concerned or where characters ethnicity were nebulous to begin with.
Many fictional stories constantly change their lore. We could easily create a black Superman if we wanted to, and that has happen. He is from a different universe so he doesn't replace the original man of steel. He just isn't a popular character because the original Superman is well established.
I think the best solution is to create original characters of minorities. Look at Tyler Perry's Madea. This character is loved by many people from all races. Anyone can create an original character from any race. Writers need to stop being lazy.
Then, there are times when an actor of color is given the name of a classic character, but the writers change the classic character's personality as well. If you change Jimmy's name from the Supergirl TV series, then you would have a brand new character. This version of Jimmy is not like Jimmy at all.
So this black woman is a new character, but that's not fine?Dazzle1 wrote: ↑4 years agoNew characters are fine, heck if Marvel want to do another Captain America movie with the actor who player the Falcon now that Steve has passed on his sheild. go for it. That was a sucessful pass on that no one can object to. The John Stewart Green Lantern has work well in the JLA animation and no one complained about it even though he was not the original one.GeekyPornCritic wrote: ↑4 years agoAlright let's try it your way. Keep all traditional characters white and male. Do you want new characters added or keep everything as is?Dazzle1 wrote: ↑4 years agoI thin k what people are missing is that traditional characters who are white males are being replaced or diminish in comics, tv franchises or movies.
It does not need or should not be done.
Best example and this goes back to the 70S the Bionic Woman, they made Jamie Sommers a strong character in her own right without making Steve Austin a jerk or a lesser character in a process. But in their two shows that they did together after the Bionic woman started they did not have to tear one down to build the other
But that does not happen now.
as opposed to the female Thor in the comics
Why is fine for white people to get roles as historical black people? You continue to avoid this question.
You are lying. I have not avoided or dodged any comments in this topic. I am not required to agree with you. I am my own man. Almost everyone has avoided my questions to them.tallyho wrote: ↑4 years agoOk the rule of thumb is used extensively by artists to measure scale on paintings etc so literally you couldnt be more wrong there, lol. And if its the vision of the creator then if youa re going to use that artists creation shouldn't it fit in to his conception of the said character?
'The last 40 years of Bond do not fully define his future' - well it kinda did because they used up all the material from the books to make the stories these last 40 years.
Yes they (artists) can call anything they create Bond, it could be a tramp under a Bridge - but ITS NOT BOND as defined by the artist who conceived it 60 years plus ago (and as the creator it is surely his concept that is correct as a definition of the character?) . And whilst its in their right as an artist to use the name if they so chose its doesnt make it so. I am short fat and look like a potato. I can declare I am 6ft 2 and rakishly handsome, a sure fire hit with the ladies. DOESN'T MEAN I AM.
"You are suggesting filming movies with only white characters" - I have not said this AT ALL. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE. I am suggesting filming BOND movies with white male characters on account of Bond BEING A WHITE MALE for 60 years since Fleming created him. Halle Berry as Jynx was a great character and there was briefly talk of her having her own spin off and I would have welcomed that - she's a beautrifly talented actress with enough sense not to take herself too seriously . If you want characters of any colour or creed MAKE THEM is all I am saying
You keep going back to Jesus in your other comments - the images we have of him are based on statues of Zeus when Constantine usurped the Roman deities so i got no idea what you are on about there unless you have actually met him, (or HER?) [DUN-DUN-DUUUUHHHHH!!!!]
You can now follow your pattern of posting, by ignoring any salient points people have made and just cherry picking quotes out of context can I suggest using my potato reference and instead turning me into Brad Pitt. Please.
If you want only white people playing classic characters, then you want white only films. There aren't any non-white characters from the original source material. Thus, you are suggesting white only films. You know exactly what you are saying.
Let's make a new Dracula, but wait Tallyho only wants white people playing traditional roles. That means no non-whites are allowed on set. This is a casting call for white people only!
Let's make a new Superman, but wait Tallyho only wants white people on set for this one as well! Remember there were only white people in the original comics, and this includes citizens. If there are any blacks on set, then call the Trump police's top cop Tallyho.
You know what I am talking about when I am referring to Jesus. It is common knowledge that at least everyone agrees he is Jewish, and he is falsely portrayed as a white man. I have been very reason when I asked why that is okay for white men to play Jesus who is black Middle Eastern Jewish. You are aware of what I am referring to and just like most racist you are ignoring the facts.
I'm done with this community. As I will not be a part of or support a racist forum.
No one is saying making Shaka Zulu , SunTzu white