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As an early fan and avid defender of the show, it pains me to say that I won't be watching season 5. I just can't handle the disappointments anymore.
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I don't think Rojas is useless. I am predicting Lena, Rojas, the new jackass reporter, or Lena's AI to be the main villain. Somebody is going to corrupt the new virtual reality technology and use it for vile intentions. Lena's AI is on top of the list. It really wants to kill Supergirl and appears to be growing a mind of its own.
By "useless" I meant that she is not necessarily needed for the plot. She's not a character from the comic books (the only female Rojas in DC Comics is Lobo's daughter, Xiomara Rojas, aka Crush). So for all we know she might have just been stuck in there for Latina representation.

Rojas is marketing the Obsidian contacts, yes, but Lena is the one who designed them. Sure, Lena's AI could be an evil force...very reminiscent of A.L.I.E. from an earlier season of The 100 (anybody watch that?). And not only that - if the contacts exert mind control over a large segment of the populace, it'll also be a lot like Myriad from Season 1.

And there's even one villainess you forgot: Eve Teschmacher. Unfortunately, none of them are really worth of being a true opponent for Supergirl since none of them have superpowers (yet). Supergirl needs a Doomsday-level villain to really be challenged and put in serious peril.
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Jimmy Olsen's character quitting is because the actor is leaving the show. So a quick way to write him out after a brief appearance as Guardian in the last fight versus Midnight. Skip any more relationship with Lena drama or much beyond him leaving town to find a new purpose.

J'onn's brother is brought back for the Crossover event by Monitor. Not remember that he had a brother in episode 1 and then suddenly remembering everything in the next one. It doesn't look like it will be handled well considering this show doesn't do family that well.

Now Lena's revenge after spiking releasing Supergirl's identity might be the best of the sub plots. She decides to embrace being a Luthor which means an intricate plot to punish Kara while pretending to still be a friend. Referring to herself as a scorpion might be that she can't change who she is and she now will fight back.
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Now Lena's revenge after spiking releasing Supergirl's identity might be the best of the sub plots. She decides to embrace being a Luthor which means an intricate plot to punish Kara while pretending to still be a friend. Referring to herself as a scorpion might be that she can't change who she is and she now will fight back.
I like your analysis of this, but I still believe that Lena's friendship with Kara will prevent her from doing anything truly nasty to either Kara or Supergirl. However, like Geeky suggests, it sure seems like Lena's AI is more than capable of giving either Kara or SG a very serious dose of peril.
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So, saw the episode. Directly after I watched the first episode from Batwoman for a second time. Well, that was a hard cut!!! :laugh:
Verrrrrrrrrrry different shows.

Some thoughts about it:

good/interesting aspects:
- Kara's/Supergirl's interactions with Lena, especially Kara's confession. Well played and intense.
Looking forward to what evil plans she will came up with to avenge the "betrayal"!

- Rojas can become an interesting "villainess". I guess now the women has taken over all the "boss positions" in the show.
- Lena's AI.... I wonder if that AI wants to take over at some points. Perhaps starting a nuclear war, building machines to take over the world? :fun:
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bad/not interesting aspects:
- the new haircut of SG/Kara! As you can read in the holy bible, page 343: "Women shall not cover up their foreheads with hair! It is evil, sinister and bad!" :evil:
....or maybe I just hate hair covering up the forehead of women.

- her new suit (surprise! you didn't see that coming...)
that was dicussed enough already. Let me just say I would like to see a villain uses something to render that magic thingy unusable. So she would need to switch back to her old outfit. Well, that won't happen...but there is always hope.
I really don't like the trend of having magic costumes that pop up if needed.

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And now, how about a dramatic idea?
What if Arrow isn't the only show that will end with the coming crossover? And what if they wouldn't announce that beforehand. Making it a REAL big surprise.
Since Legends are just starting in january.... that wouldn't work.
But how about Supergirl or Flash? Wouldn't that make a drastic, dramatic, surprising crossover?
I don't think that they would do that....but I wouldn't be 100% surprised.
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Now Lena's revenge after spiking releasing Supergirl's identity might be the best of the sub plots. She decides to embrace being a Luthor which means an intricate plot to punish Kara while pretending to still be a friend. Referring to herself as a scorpion might be that she can't change who she is and she now will fight back.
I like your analysis of this, but I still believe that Lena's friendship with Kara will prevent her from doing anything truly nasty to either Kara or Supergirl. However, like Geeky suggests, it sure seems like Lena's AI is more than capable of giving either Kara or SG a very serious dose of peril.
Lena's words to 'Hope' about her trust is in Technology not People will again lead her to being 'betrayed'! This time by her own Technology. I have been wondering what 'Hope' would look like in a Humanoid form?
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First person to spot the Super cameltoe in her new "pants" wins. My guess is, it is impossible because MB probably had them sew a steel plate into them. lol
If she was my girlfriend I would put a chastity belt on her all the time...a beautiful blonde goddess like her needs only the special attention a lesbian lover can provide her....I would totallly volunteer for the role
I think she would volunteer for this as well. I get a strong lesbian vibe from Melissa Benoist despite her hubby.
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I'd love to test the thickness of the new material by spanking her sweet tushie! Put her over my knee, please?!
Speaking of outfits, it's silly that her civilian outfits show Kara with a bra size, yet in her "super-suit" she has as much-erm-boobage as a girl in a training bra! As is said in The Producers, "If you got it, flaunt it!"

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EXACTLY! This is what I mean by them making every effort to make Supergirl not sexy. Her tits have disappeared when in costume. It goes way beyond keeping it modest...it is almost like they have them bound beneath the suit almost to the point you could confuse her for a boy. It's getting bad, and it did not used to be like this.
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I really hope there is a bigger reason for Lena to act like she has because what she has done here is such a huge leap beyond anything she has done so far. Deceiving Lilian was relatively easy, just playing along with a plan, but this time, the tears, the speech, the lies. It's just so cold and manipulative. The Lena we had until now, she would have accepted Kara's confession in the blink of an eye, I know it. But this reaction, it's so false. I had commented on the Lena / Kara relationship prior to this first episode of season five not knowing how it would play out and the writers wrote Kara's confession perfectly. It should have worked, but it didn't. Either there is another unseen dimension to Lena's reaction (is she being reverse programmed by those VR lenses? Or her on AI?), or the writers just fucked up the character's behavior which until now had been really well balanced. Previous commenters are right, but I'm prepared to see if there is a plot reason for Lena's detour from her norm.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote:
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I don't think Rojas is useless. I am predicting Lena, Rojas, the new jackass reporter, or Lena's AI to be the main villain. Somebody is going to corrupt the new virtual reality technology and use it for vile intentions. Lena's AI is on top of the list. It really wants to kill Supergirl and appears to be growing a mind of its own.
I agree. I think Rojas is certainly in charge and the douche-reporter strikes me more as a henchman of sorts. The way he explained himself seemed to suggest he would write what anyone would pay him to, with no qualms about it. That's pretty much classic "hit-man" stuff there only it is with a keyboard, not a gun.

There may well be a dangerous circle brewing too, the AI "Hope" might be integrating into Lena's virtual experiences. And surely there may be some "usage stats" going back to the VR manufacturer's servers? If you had Lena busting your ass about breaching some T&Cs of some deal wouldn't you have a nosey at her VR fantasies to get back at her? Surely these ladies are rivals in some business sectors so ...

At any rate, I can easily imagine mild mannered and obedient sounding "Hope" to be the one to start framing everyone, sowing distrust or getting people killed. "Hope" is akin to "I,Robot's" VIKI, perhaps?
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wait until Batwoman tells her she can't wait to get in her "pants" that phrase will now make sense!!! I would love to see Ruby and Melissa make love....they are a perfect couple...masculine yet feminine petite sexy short haired Batwoman with sexy goddess like petite long haired blonde...who would totally be the submissive female of the relationship...the worlds are aligning perfectly
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I won't post any spoilers at the moment so I am focusing only my initial feelings. I think tonight's episode was really good and enjoyable. It was filled with a good balance of action and storytelling. My prediction about Hope is well you'll see.
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I liked it.

I even liked the 2nd Batwoman episode this time, better than the pilot (which I didn't like).

Hope will be to this Supergirl season what AIDA was to Agents of SHIELD.

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Well, here we are. Season 5, episode two we get a racy and daring ass shot of our girl of steel. Wow. She is so sexy. The pants thing just totally removed a ton of sex appeal from this show.
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^^^ That could be Kal el in a wig
Exactly. They have literally deprived the viewers of both plotline and eye candy.
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^^^ That could be Kal el in a wig
It could be a male stuntman in a wig for all we know with that angle.

Episode 2 had at least one decent fight scene with SG and J'onn's brother, but we can't expect that to last with them using dark sewer scene as the other real fight. If I don't want to see what's happening in a fight, I can always watch Arrow.
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Hope transferring herself into Eve is a clever plot and fits Lena's character. Lena wants a loyal friend and she forced it by placing Hope into Eve. She has the loyal friend and is now in position to hurt Supergirl.

William Day is a huge jackass and liar. He claims his wife is a lawyer but he never had legal pads until Catco gave one to him. I am predicting he will seduce Kara with his asshole charms or blackmail her when he discovers she is Supergirl.

WAIT! How did he track Supergirl? That's not possible. It's not like Supergirl carries a cellphone. Kara doesn't use those contacts so he is unable to hack them to find her location. She arrived at the sewers in her costume. It's safe to assume she placed her clothes and purse somewhere else.
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William had some else do the tracking and then got her location, but that leaves the question on when she changed clothes and whether the tracker knows her identity switch. Pretty much bad writing, again.
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Makes you ask where she hides her phone in her new costume. I think William had a contact in the CIA tracking her phone.
As for the writing, do the writers honestly not know the cans of worms they have opened up?
Lena has seen Kara use nanobots for her new costume, so since she's such a genius I'd expect her to hack that costume, and do unfortunate(for her, but not us)things to Kara.
And then the evil green martian... Naw, a mind-reading(and attacking), shape-shifting, super-strong baddie shouldn't be a problem for Kara. Just that he can sneak into Kara's home while she's sleeping, enter her mind, and mind fry her, or do other terrible things, like find out where ANY kryptonite is stored. He can also expose her secret identity, ruining her civilian life. Or just mind blast her to subdue her, then beat her into a bloody pulp!

Also, I despise how Brainiac 5 has been portrayed. When they said they were introducing him last year, I was hoping for a Brainy/Kara romance since there was no love in her life, but he went for-ugh-Dreamer. No, I'm not ugh-ing Nura for her trans condition. I first hate the use of the Keith Giffen naming of Dream Girl, and then to have such a non-dreamy Dream Girl!
Then Brainy is known for three inventions. Making Computo, that killed 1/3 of Triplicate Girl, inventing the Legion flight ring, and his force field belt. He even had it when he was introduced in his Legion try-out with Kara! But no belt here. Just sooo not him!

Sigh. Bad writing, and bad costume are just so irking! On a network that likes to sexualize their characters so much, they have truly deneutered Kara's sex appeal here!

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I don't know where or if Kara carries her phone with her in her super suit. In the comics, Superman always used a sealed pocket in his cape (not for a phone but for his civilian clothes, non-wrinkle fabrics, clearly) but that seems unlikely here since they haven't mentioned it in 5 seasons.

Kara does have a headset on which she talks with the DEO. I suppose it's possible they could link into that wavelength and track her that way, even if she's not using it currently. You know, the way the NSA can do it with our cell phones and tablets.
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When the request went in to the NSA I assumed it was going to be a regular phone tower triangulation that would be done. After all, this was a favour, called in to check on someone who would be to everyone else an everyday normal human being. There would be someone at the NSA discreetly doing a check on Kara Danvers' phone, digitally, from a computer. The NSA isn't by any stretch of the imagination going to have someone free on the street to instantly tail Kara from work. Not even in TV world. Nope, so, in order for Supergirl being where they thought Kara would be it would mean having her phone with her as that could realistically be the only way Kara got tracked. I notice the back of SG's belt (in the booty shot) has like a panel element to it. It's perfectly plausible to suggest a compartment might be there, cell phones are thinner by the year.

The costume change element is always the oddest part of the Supergirl show. They happily show KD peeling open her tops and revealing the famed "S", suggesting that all is hidden beneath. Except she at times wears some fairly figure hugging pants and no way in hell would the skirt have fit in there unseen (pre season 5). And don't even mention where those boots got hidden!!

As an alternate idea I like the "hidden-costume-stash" that I am sure I recall seeing about. It eliminates the problem of how she conceals her costume, where her regular clothes go and so on. It's reasonable to think she could dash to a spot where her things could be hidden out of sight. Change real fast, then get into the fight. As another alternative I wrote a version where she could manifest her clothes or suit as a sort of energy / mass transformation, but no doubt it has been done by others. The nanobot suit is interesting for sure but like all the other methods it must have its own set of pros and cons!
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Leviathan tracked Kara. If so, then did they know Kara was Supergirl? If not then they sure suspect it now.

As far as the how...think how Brainy was searching for Jon's Brother.

btw, I approve of the form Hope took. Now to get her in a Powergirl costume!
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Maybe some don't have the ability to review the scene, but, with the subtitles turned (to minimise doubt) on this is what you get. William Day makes a call and he says

"I know the NSA doesn't do this anymore but you owe me a favour. I need you to track someone in National City. Last name Danvers, first name Kara".

I am really taking that line at face value, I dont think Day is part of Leviathan or has links to it. Now the favour is to track Kara Danvers. Day has no reason to think she is Supergirl and yet when he arrives there is SG in the sewer. So, what could cause Day to be led to Supergirl? That depends what aspect of "Kara Danvers" the NSA tracked. If they had physical "eyes" on Kara Danvers which I doubt, they would have lost her when she changed and if they hadn't why would they not leap onto the fact that Kara became Supergirl. Anyway it's basically lore that no one observes the change happen. So... only really the cell phone makes sense unless everyone has been secretly chipped somehow, Kara included.

Oh, and while Day has been a douche, it's not been commented much about he was helping out in the soup kitchen at the end of the episode. I wonder what that is about ...

1) He's a complex good guy who is misunderstood.
2) It's part of some sneaky plan.

I am gambling on #1. After considering some of Day's dialogue I did wonder if there was a hint of "mentoring" brewing. Just like Snapper had to work Kara hard to get her on the right track perhaps William Day is also trying to impart something, albeit not clearly. At any rate, for some reason I think he way well end up being in on Supergirl's identity secret but we shall see!
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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.

2) In the scene where Kara is walking away from the sewer battle with Alex, you can see her moving in her 'pants', and every step she takes reveals huge wrinkles. The pants don't fit snugly as part of the uniform. Superheroes aren't supposed to wear ill-fitted costumes, at least not the ones who are paragons of the genre. Hopefully they will notice that and correct it in future episodes but I won't hold my breath. Compare this to the Flash Episode 2 which also aired this week and featured a villainess in a tight costume whose pants did *not* have the same problem, and no Arrow costume has that problem either.

3) Sorry, K-Sire, but I don't quite approve of the new appearance of Hope/Eve as much as you do. Eve underwent a total transformation when she merged with the AI and her new appearance should reflect that. She deserves a full costume, whatever that might look like, but I would hope it would have lots of 'cyber' touches appropriate to the character (maybe a little Seven of Nine, a little Indigo, a little Tron, etc.) and would hopefully be complementary to the beauty of actress Andrea Brooks. As it is, she just looks like a dazed cultist with a slightly upgraded makeup job.

4) That whole soup kitchen insert with William Day slopping mashed potatoes on some shelter denizen's food tray was almost Seinfeldian in its level of ham-fisted absurdity. They should have edited together an entire montage of William Day rescuing kittens from trees, helping old ladies cross the street, and putting dollar bills into the hats of old grizzled street saxophonists.
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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.

2) In the scene where Kara is walking away from the sewer battle with Alex, you can see her moving in her 'pants', and every step she takes reveals huge wrinkles. The pants don't fit snugly as part of the uniform. Superheroes aren't supposed to wear ill-fitted costumes, at least not the ones who are paragons of the genre. Hopefully they will notice that and correct it in future episodes but I won't hold my breath. Compare this to the Flash Episode 2 which also aired this week and featured a villainess in a tight costume whose pants did *not* have the same problem, and no Arrow costume has that problem either.

3) Sorry, K-Sire, but I don't quite approve of the new appearance of Hope/Eve as much as you do. Eve underwent a total transformation when she merged with the AI and her new appearance should reflect that. She deserves a full costume, whatever that might look like, but I would hope it would have lots of 'cyber' touches appropriate to the character (maybe a little Seven of Nine, a little Indigo, a little Tron, etc.) and would hopefully be complementary to the beauty of actress Andrea Brooks. As it is, she just looks like a dazed cultist with a slightly upgraded makeup job.

4) That whole soup kitchen insert with William Day slopping mashed potatoes on some shelter denizen's food tray was almost Seinfeldian in its level of ham-fisted absurdity. They should have edited together an entire montage of William Day rescuing kittens from trees, helping old ladies cross the street, and putting dollar bills into the hats of old grizzled street saxophonists.
Thanks for the education on 1 and 2. I don't know Latin so I rely on your expertise in the area. It's shameful that the writers missed the error. Did they miss previous errors like this one? I seem to remember you mentioning a similar issue as well.

I'll let the team slide with Eve not getting a new costume right away. I will 100% agree with you if there is not a new costume for Hope/Eve.
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Well, the thing that now motivates me the most to watch this show is ....Kara's secret identity. :-)
And in this direction I was confused by this:
The new guy with the british accent follows Kara and finds Supergirl (however that worked...).
SG sees him and says: "What are YOU doing here?"
Wow, she certainly risks her secret here....because SG doesn't know him, Kara does. Shouldn't he be suprised by that sentence?
He expected to find Kara, finds SG and gets that sentence.... perhaps he suspects it by now?

Perhaps he will find out who SG is and then blackmail her into her old costume ;) ....of which he is a great fan. :hmmm:
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The new guy with the british accent follows Kara and finds Supergirl (however that worked...).
SG sees him and says: "What are YOU doing here?"
Wow, she certainly risks her secret here....because SG doesn't know him, Kara does. Shouldn't he be suprised by that sentence?
He expected to find Kara, finds SG and gets that sentence.... perhaps he suspects it by now?
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Yeah, with the emphasis on "You" it suggests a specific "you" and so recognition. And as Kara Danvers and Supergirl are pretty much sporting the same hair-do now days, well Day should have recognished SG for who she really is.

Just as a side note regarding the pronunciation I recall watching a youtube video about latin and regrettably cant find it again to put it here. It went on about famous names from eras past and how they really sounded when spoken. Cicero - "See say row" (as in row a boat) how we commonly say it now was one such name used as an example and sounded more like "Key Kay Row" (as in row a boat) in its original latin.

Veni, Vidi, Vici, the famous "I came, I saw, I conquered" would end up sounding like "Weni, Weedee, Weekee" in its original tongue. I imagine that only in the most hardcore accurate dramatizations would such authentic pronunciations be used. I think we can forgive the show for following what has been an almost customary conversion of latin to romantic sounds.

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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.
If it's Latin, then...

no's o vowel is like the o in gloria (o with no dipthong).

e in latin is like the 'e' in Ave as in Ave Maria. Not 'ay' like in day.

I'm not gonna go back and listen to how they said it (cause I don't really care), but if they said cheh-reh, that's more accurate than kay-ray.
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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.
If it's Latin, then...

no's o vowel is like the o in gloria (o with no dipthong).

e in latin is like the 'e' in Ave as in Ave Maria. Not 'ay' like in day.

I'm not gonna go back and listen to how they said it (cause I don't really care), but if they said cheh-reh, that's more accurate than kay-ray.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Primum non nocere (Classical Latin: [ˈpriːmũː noːn nɔˈkeːrɛ]) is a Latin phrase that means "first, do no harm."
There's a "k" in there. There is no "ch" sound in Classical Latin. The writers confused it with Italian.
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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.
If it's Latin, then...

no's o vowel is like the o in gloria (o with no dipthong).

e in latin is like the 'e' in Ave as in Ave Maria. Not 'ay' like in day.

I'm not gonna go back and listen to how they said it (cause I don't really care), but if they said cheh-reh, that's more accurate than kay-ray.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Primum non nocere (Classical Latin: [ˈpriːmũː noːn nɔˈkeːrɛ]) is a Latin phrase that means "first, do no harm."
There's a "k" in there. There is no "ch" sound in Classical Latin. The writers confused it with Italian.
The writers did not confuse it with Italian. I know it's Latin and a phrase. I don't read Latin alphabet or whatever alphabet that specifically is, but I know there's a k sound for the written c in nocere in Classical Latin. But there's another major pronounciation of Latin, nearly as old but not quite, the preference of the church (as opposed to schools) and just as valid for pronounciation of Latin. And that one does pronouce c as ch when c precedes various vowels.

I'll save you from searching.
cere pronounced as cheh-reh is dead-on Ecclesiastical Latin. Italian confusion not needed, Ecclesiastical Latin covers how Lena apparently said it.
Were she to have used Classical Latin, then cere would be pronounced keh-reh, not kay-ray. you got the consonant sounds right for CL but the vowel sound wrong.

So no 'blatant error..slapdash...glaring mistake.' I'm right in what I'm telling you, but this squabble over Latin is not interesting. And no one else here wants to read an argument about Latin. So I'm dropping out of this if I possibly can, unless you say something ridiculous that pulls me back in!
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I basically enjoyed it but also had some problems with last night's third episode of Supergirl, Season 5. I'll start with the positives. I actually liked how Supergirl got played by Lena and still find that relationship one of the most intriguing on the show. Also, the subplot with J'onn Jonz's fight with his brother and all of his brother's attacks on J'onn's friends has captured my imagination. So good work there, show runners and writers.

As for the negatives, I'm really getting annoyed with Brainy and Nia's relationship. The complication there went from somewhat cute and silly fun to stupid and off-putting last night. This show loves its soap opera moves where a single sentence could solve the issue but instead it blows up into a major relationship tangle. Sigh!

The second aspect that actually worries me, more from the synopsis from next week's show than anything particular that happened last night is the possibility of making William Day, Kara's rival at Catco, too cartoonishly bad right off and at odds with Kara to what I suspect may turn into a romance of opposites yet again for Kara. I really hope the show runners aren't setting us up for a relationship between those two. We shall see.

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Annoyed by 4 things in episode 2. See if any of them are a concern to you as well:

1) There's a blatant error in the dialogue. "Non nocere" (do no harm), which is said by both Hope and Lena, is pronounced wrong. It's not "no-cheh-reh" because that would be Italian. The phrase is Latin, so it's "no-kay-ray". The most cursory internet search of this phrase on Wikipedia reveals this to be the proper pronunciation. I'm very surprised that the showrunners were so slapdash about it. Also, the complete legal phrase is "Primum non nocere" (pree-mum non no-kay-ray), "first, do no harm". It's a good thing that they didn't decide to make it the episode title - that would have been truly embarrassing. As it is, though, it's still a glaring mistake.
If it's Latin, then...

no's o vowel is like the o in gloria (o with no dipthong).

e in latin is like the 'e' in Ave as in Ave Maria. Not 'ay' like in day.

I'm not gonna go back and listen to how they said it (cause I don't really care), but if they said cheh-reh, that's more accurate than kay-ray.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Primum non nocere (Classical Latin: [ˈpriːmũː noːn nɔˈkeːrɛ]) is a Latin phrase that means "first, do no harm."
There's a "k" in there. There is no "ch" sound in Classical Latin. The writers confused it with Italian.
The writers did not confuse it with Italian. I know it's Latin and a phrase. I don't read Latin alphabet or whatever alphabet that specifically is, but I know there's a k sound for the written c in nocere in Classical Latin. But there's another major pronounciation of Latin, nearly as old but not quite, the preference of the church (as opposed to schools) and just as valid for pronounciation of Latin. And that one does pronouce c as ch when c precedes various vowels.

I'll save you from searching.
cere pronounced as cheh-reh is dead-on Ecclesiastical Latin. Italian confusion not needed, Ecclesiastical Latin covers how Lena apparently said it.
Were she to have used Classical Latin, then cere would be pronounced keh-reh, not kay-ray. you got the consonant sounds right for CL but the vowel sound wrong.

So no 'blatant error..slapdash...glaring mistake.' I'm right in what I'm telling you, but this squabble over Latin is not interesting. And no one else here wants to read an argument about Latin. So I'm dropping out of this if I possibly can, unless you say something ridiculous that pulls me back in!
You don't have to respond to any of this, and I won't say anything ridiculous, but it looks like we'll have to split the difference. It's up to you whether you think the Supergirl's use of Ecclesiastical Latin (which, as you say, is not used except in churches) makes any sense in this context which is entirely non-religious and really makes reference to a legal and scientific phrase (in terms of Hippocratic Oath and legal liability, etc.). I personally think that using 'church' pronunciation makes no sense in this context and that's why I would consider it to be wrong.

Another reason why I would consider it to be wrong is that the Wikipedia entry itself does not acknowledge the Ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation. It only mentions the Classical Latin one. Any Latin dictionary would list the pronunciation the same way. So the showrunners WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY not to use the obvious pronunciation (the one that any lawyer or scientist would use) and instead they used a pronunciation that only a Catholic clergyman would use. That, in itself, doesn't seem to make any sense, unless their only Latin consultant is a Catholic priest??

And finally, neither of us were correct about 'cere'....according to the phonetic alphabet [keːrɛ] is keh-ray. I looked that up. So we were both half-right and half-wrong. The same principle applies, in a wider sense, to the show's use of Ecclesiastical (a more obscure pronunciation not taught in schools) rather than the more obvious Classical (taught in all schools, including my own high school in the 1980s!) Latin.

So I think we're done here. I'm going to use the entire phrase 'Primum Non Nocere' (first, do no harm) in an upcoming episode of Heroineburgh written into a season where a superheroine helps a doctor with a medical emergency, pronounced in Classical Latin. It totally fits the context and will be a great wink and nod to the scene with Lena & Hope.
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It hasn't been doing as bad as Supergirl or even dropping from week to week. Considering it's going up against Sunday Night Football and the Simpsons the ratings aren't that bad.
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A man-baby channel's take on Batwoman ratings is entirely worthless drivel. I didn't even watch once I got there and realized the kind of channel.

CW shows always have low ratings. Supergirl and Batwoman ratings for CW shows on a sunday, pretty normal for CW. Supergirl with .9 million, yep a low, but not a series killer even if it stays that way. Batwoman with 1.23 million viewers is fairly high for CW. The Flash on tuesday had 1.28 million.
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I enjoyed the third episode. I liked the villainess and her powers - particularly what she did to Supergirl in the apartment scene and I felt the twisting plot of what happened to JJ's brother was cool too.

I am also wondering at what point in Lena's quest to cure humanity of its deceitful ways she realises what she has done to Supergirl. I've never seen her so manipulative, it really is hard to understand what is going on in her head. Was there regret there when Kara just handed over the journals? I suspect there was but it was quickly overcome when Hope-macher began to decode Lex's texts.

And now I have to wait again for Batwoman and SG to return next week! :(
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I enjoyed most of tonight's episode. Jon was forced to look at his mistakes in life and move forward with a positive solution. He realizes that he deserves part of the blame for his brother's suffering. I liked Alex being used as a tool to finally defeat Jon.

However, I do not like how the writers wrote James out of the show. He was one of the last remaining characters from season 1. He deserved a better cast off than just a simple "goodbye, I'm going to fight corruption in my hometown". It is one of the most lackluster departures from a television series. I thought he was going into politics. That would have been a better solution to help the kid by changing the law.

OKAY WTF. People are not normally sentenced to 10 years for petty theft. Why is the prison being blamed? Politicians (Law Makers), the District Attorney and judges (they agree to the settlement or set the time for convictions) should be blamed for these outrageous sentences. These people most likely politicians have investments in those prisons.

Last year Supergirl criticized Trump and his supports. This year's season is criticizing the current prison system. Our prison system is horrible, and the writers should have used a better example than petty theft. That's a very unrealistic scenario. The maximum sentence for petty theft is one year in my state, and I am sure most states have a similar sentence.

The writers need to do more research before they make such horrible plots.
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OKAY WTF. People are not normally sentenced to 10 years for petty theft. Why is the prison being blamed? Politicians (Law Makers), the District Attorney and judges (they agree to the settlement or set the time for convictions) should be blamed for these outrageous sentences. These people most likely politicians have investments in those prisons.

Last year Supergirl criticized Trump and his supports. This year's season is criticizing the current prison system. Our prison system is horrible, and the writers should have used a better example than petty theft. That's a very unrealistic scenario. The maximum sentence for petty theft is one year in my state, and I am sure most states have a similar sentence.

The writers need to do more research before they make such horrible plots.
There are two different points here that aren't being shown properly. But we know that the writers suck and just want to push their causes without doing it even halfway decently.

Mandatory sentencing sets minimum prison sentencing for different crimes. The example of 10 years for petty theft is way out of line for the crime. It was to make a point and failed on so many levels.

Private prisons are taking over as companies get to maximize profits by staying near full. It's a growing trend because states don't need to build more and companies cut corners to save money in what they were suppose to do running prisons. Too bad that it is a real problem, but the writers simplified it without doing anything but saying that its bad. They could have done it better, but that would take getting better writers.
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I have to agree that the way the prison system corruption was written into the show was ham-handed -- with the writers stressing a point by making it ridiculous: 10 years for a $30 space heater theft. Lazy work there. However I disagree with James' departure reasoning and sign-off. It's true to the character and wasn't overly sloppy in terms of his goodbye. I didn't have an issue with that aspect at all.

As a matter of fact, I thought the episode was one of the best of the season so far. The plotting and action were fine and the interactions among all the characters were solid.
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Lena's behavior is really going off the reservation if she thinks that forcing people's brains to act nicely toward each other will make for a better world. Sorry, but I'm not buying that reasoning for a minute from that character, even if she was so hurt by Kara and all her friends keeping the truth from her. It's just so far over the top to be believable.

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I knew that they were going to make Day, if not a love interest for Kara then certainly a hidden friend for a while as he and Kara try to unravel the mystery behind Rojas, the owner of Catco, and her plans. Kara's radar is certainly malfunctioning with her confusion about Day and her blindness about Lena's real attitude toward her.
You have a good eye for details. Remember when Day said he would do anything for an employer? He would write any story to make his employer happy. Maybe he is working for someone else to discover Rojas's secrets.
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Wow - I really enjoyed that episode. The mini peril moment for SG was ok though frustratingly short - the development of the Malefic and JJ plot was good and the crafting of Jimmy Olsen's exit route back to his roots was nicely done. I agree the storyline that a corrupt local prison system could remain unopposed sounds unlikely and excessive, but it does give J.O something to aim at and could see SG being drafted in to help sometime in the future.

I was disappointed that Kara was initially unwilling to accept William Day's explanation of what he had been doing - the evidence was right there on the board for her to see. When she first knew he was coming to Catco she seemed excited to be getting this award winning writer onboard and was in disbelief when he was completely unlike how she imagined a writer of his caliber should be. And in the moment everything should make sense ... well ... she resisted accepting that he is what her original instincts told her Day would be like. Maybe the writers felt the need to show Kara was going to question and not accept - but - I think the more bright-eyed and idealistic Kara should have shone through then and be more impressed at Day's efforts. The poor guy was self-deprecating and humble enough - she should have said he was more the man she had been expecting when he first came to the office.

Not wanting to contradict my good friend DrD, I do recall recent news of a man finally released from prison after 36 years for stealing a little over fifty dollars at knife-point back in 1982. Application of the Three Strikes Law led to a very distorted punishment of life without parole for the crime; a seed of reality for the SG show maybe?
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An interesting dichotomy has taken place on Supergirl. As Melissa Benoist's Kara Danvers on the hotness and attractive scale has begun to look more and more attractive, with some nice cute clothes (I do wish she would wear less) whereas Supergirl with that ridiculous new costume has lost some points on the hotness, attractive scale, covering up those nice legs of hers. If this was a grand plan by producers to help the show gain popularity than they are more stupid, more incompetent, and more clueless than I previously thought.
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An interesting dichotomy has taken place on Supergirl. As Melissa Benoist's Kara Danvers on the hotness and attractive scale has begun to look more and more attractive, with some nice cute clothes (I do wish she would wear less) whereas Supergirl with that ridiculous new costume has lost some points on the hotness, attractive scale, covering up those nice legs of hers. If this was a grand plan by producers to help the show gain popularity than they are more stupid, more incompetent, and more clueless than I previously thought.
Yes, I noticed that as well. They're not dressing her quite as sexily as they did in the Red Kryptonite episode, especially not the supermodel makeup look, but her body's clearly more on display around Catco than it is over the skies of National City. A silly decision indeed. "Look, up in the sky, it's Pants Girl!" "Yawn! Don't bother me, I'm into this muffin."
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The first season was good. The second season was not bad. The third season was poor. The fourth season was horrible. The fifth season seems even worse. First I'm not sure Supergirl is still the main protagonist. Other characters steal the show each time. And then, they do not even respect the character codes anymore. I mean, Supergirl with pants is not Supergirl. She had many costumes through the comic books and through the ages, but bare legs was always her trademark. They do not even respect that anymore. So what next. Wonder Woman in a xena costume. Oups, already done. Well, Supergirl show is dead. So I watched the first episodes of Batwoman. Looks much better. Anyway good start.
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In the comic books there have been a few issues with covered legged Supergirl (back in the 1970s and 80s), but they always return to something close to the original version. However the live version trend is to make something easier to make that will survive being used rather than closer to the book version.
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I wanted to get the boards opinion on the significance of Supergirl crushing the metal railing.

Do you think it is from stress or is it latent energy she absorbed from the fusion gun?
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I wanted to get the boards opinion on the significance of Supergirl crushing the metal railing.

Do you think it is from stress or is it latent energy she absorbed from the fusion gun?
How did that gun even hurt her? One site claims she was over-energized. I'm guessing Kryptonians cannot absorb too much energy at a single moment. It is similar to people cannot drink too much water at a single time as it can be lethal.
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