Supergirl Season Five

[CJS]

I was hoping the old costume would last part of the season, but screenshots of the first episode are out, and show her in the new costume. :(

[Maskripper]

[Abductorenmadrid]

Indeed ... "Pants!" - But looking forward to the new series

[tallyho]

Sadly it does look pants.
Dont like her fringe look either


'Ohhh the humanity'

[bushwackerbob]

There are going to be a lot of forum members who will be sad when this series gets cancelled. The show is almost too easy a target between the mediocre, subpar writing, James Olsen becoming Black, the politics, and the new costume debacle, the lack of SHP, and the lame storylines. What will we do without Supergirl to kick around anymore? It is unusual for a show that has had so many flaws last as long as Supergirl has. Credit is due on the account of longevity.

[Visitor]

Stark's suit technology crosses over.

This shows reminds me of a quote from WKRP's 50th Anniversary show commenting about the radio station's longevity:
"Better run companies are out of business by now."

[batgirl1969]

That new suit sucks big time....sorry not sorry.

[Danorian]

The crazy thing is that her new costume is nanobots. C'mon! You can't tell me none of us can come up with any problems with this.
EMP burst, and her costume will fall off?
Struck by lightning? The costume might come off there too?
Someone hacks the nano's programming, and does-ahem-naughty things to her?
Heck! The Master Jailer shows up again, and using his nanobot knowledge(who can forget that lovely nanobot stringing up of our girl?), takes over her costume, and binds her then!
I know I'm just spit-balling here, but honestly?

Oh, before anyone goes with the Iron Man's latest armor is nanobots defense, remember that his armor is operated by one of the best AI's on the planet, as a former arms dealer he knows how to EMP shield his gear, and he designed his nanobots to channel a lightning blast from the God of Thunder! He's ready for this shit. I don't think this version of Brainiac 5 is devious enough to plan for such contingencies!

My 2 cents.

[Danorian]

I'm also in the pants suck crowd. Why cover her best asset? She has sweet legs! I believe that Winn designed her costume the way he did to show off her best asset. Being fair, Winn is supposed to make an appearance this season, and he should show up saying "What did you do to my costume design? You're covering the best thing about my girl! Oops, Supergirl!"
Poor Winn. He was pining for Kara from the start, even pre-going super, and yet didn't get past 1st base with her! I could've seen him as her rebound guy after the Kara/Jimmy break-up!

My 2 cents.

[batgirl1969]

Brainiac taking over the nano bots would be amazing especially if turned into some hardcore bondage looking costume that puts her in submission while Brainiac devises new ways to impregnate her with his army of silicon babies, only her super womb being capable of the repeated growth and birth over and over of the little rubber babies...

[Abductorenmadrid]

The crazy thing is that her new costume is nanobots. C'mon! You can't tell me none of us can come up with any problems with this.
EMP burst, and her costume will fall off?
Struck by lightning? The costume might come off there too?
Someone hacks the nano's programming, and does-ahem-naughty things to her?
Heck! The Master Jailer shows up again, and using his nanobot knowledge(who can forget that lovely nanobot stringing up of our girl?), takes over her costume, and binds her then!
......

I will endeavor to do something with these ideas eventually, I am sure

[GeekyPornCritic]

I am in the unpopular camp. I like this version of her costume. I think cat suits can be very sex. It looks well on Melissa and her bangs make her look younger. Overall, it's a good look and may be a sign of a better season.

Brainiac taking over the nano bots would be amazing especially if turned into some hardcore bondage looking costume that puts her in submission while Brainiac devises new ways to impregnate her with his army of silicon babies, only her super womb being capable of the repeated growth and birth over and over of the little rubber babies...

I wonder if they will create a plot about Lex talking control over Supergirl by hacking her nano bots. I can see that happening.

[Abductorenmadrid]

I wonder if they will create a plot about Lex talking control over Supergirl by hacking her nano bots. I can see that happening.

Now, for THAT I would pay to see!

[Maskripper]

Well, I will continue to watch, even her new look (costume and hairstyle) is a bummer.
However, call it nitpicking....but why does nearly everyone (incl. herself in the trailer) keep saying that she wears "pants" now?
Even without my glasses.....I say that she wears a ...suit! ;-)
Not the suit type I like (#Underworld) ...but it is still a suit.

And yeah, I don't like the fact that she has a tech suit now. Even only the transformation of this suit will be CGI... and it may be "practical" in terms of dressing/undressing, but like Danorian said....there are endless possibilities of such a system to fail or be manipulated.

[hiyaboy15]

This season looks to be the make it or break it. The way the plots have jumped on a political rollercoaster makes it smell of desperation to hook new viewers. I could take the costume change for different scenarios to freshen things up. But the cringe factor is thick in this show. Will MB pull a Lynda Carter and become disinterested in the role and run through the motions? Her portrayal of SG is pretty well done when the politics are not involved. They just need to refocus on her and actually give her a good plot to keep the viewers going. I leave now with SG riding a dino lol *flies away*

SG_Dino.png (1.17 MiB) Viewed 4271 times

[CJS]

What is that costume? I thought the new suit had no red below the waist, except for the skirt, and the old suit didn't have blue legs.

[hiyaboy15]

I just made a little manipulation to the original lol

[bushwackerbob]

This season looks to be the make it or break it. The way the plots have jumped on a political rollercoaster makes it smell of desperation to hook new viewers. I could take the costume change for different scenarios to freshen things up. But the cringe factor is thick in this show. Will MB pull a Lynda Carter and become disinterested in the role and run through the motions? Her portrayal of SG is pretty well done when the politics are not involved. They just need to refocus on her and actually give her a good plot to keep the viewers going. I leave now with SG riding a dino lol *flies away*SG_Dino.png

With all of the flaws of the show, not to mention mediocre ratings, it is hard for me to imagine it surviving to face a sixth season. One thing it does have going for it though is the fact that the Arrow will be leaving the air this year and if they cancel Supergirl as well, CW may have a difficult time fighting the perception that the Arrowverse is in danger of extinction, with losing the both of them not to mention the fact that the Legends of Tomorrow is not looking like a robust series either any longer.

[tallyho]

Do we think the fringe will stay ...?

Screenshot_2018-12-17-10-50-25.png (987.02 KiB) Viewed 4165 times

[brdiy]

First time I've seen a PR campaign for a costume change. A sign that they're not to confident about the change themselves perhaps?

https://www.insider.com/the-cw-supergir ... ew-2019-10

[theScribbler]

This season looks to be the make it or break it. The way the plots have jumped on a political rollercoaster makes it smell of desperation to hook new viewers. I could take the costume change for different scenarios to freshen things up. But the cringe factor is thick in this show. Will MB pull a Lynda Carter and become disinterested in the role and run through the motions? Her portrayal of SG is pretty well done when the politics are not involved. They just need to refocus on her and actually give her a good plot to keep the viewers going. I leave now with SG riding a dino lol *flies away*SG_Dino.png

With all of the flaws of the show, not to mention mediocre ratings, it is hard for me to imagine it surviving to face a sixth season. One thing it does have going for it though is the fact that the Arrow will be leaving the air this year and if they cancel Supergirl as well, CW may have a difficult time fighting the perception that the Arrowverse is in danger of extinction, with losing the both of them not to mention the fact that the Legends of Tomorrow is not looking like a robust series either any longer.

It's on the CW. Of all CW shows, Supergirl ranks #3 in total viewers (2018-2019). Season 6 is almost assured long as Melissa B. wants to keep doing it.

Had it stayed on CBS, it would not have had a season 2 !

[bushwackerbob]

This season looks to be the make it or break it. The way the plots have jumped on a political rollercoaster makes it smell of desperation to hook new viewers. I could take the costume change for different scenarios to freshen things up. But the cringe factor is thick in this show. Will MB pull a Lynda Carter and become disinterested in the role and run through the motions? Her portrayal of SG is pretty well done when the politics are not involved. They just need to refocus on her and actually give her a good plot to keep the viewers going. I leave now with SG riding a dino lol *flies away*SG_Dino.png

With all of the flaws of the show, not to mention mediocre ratings, it is hard for me to imagine it surviving to face a sixth season. One thing it does have going for it though is the fact that the Arrow will be leaving the air this year and if they cancel Supergirl as well, CW may have a difficult time fighting the perception that the Arrowverse is in danger of extinction, with losing the both of them not to mention the fact that the Legends of Tomorrow is not looking like a robust series either any longer.

It's on the CW. Of all CW shows, Supergirl ranks #3 in total viewers (2018-2019). Season 6 is almost assured long as Melissa B. wants to keep doing it.

Had it stayed on CBS, it would not have had a season 2 !

I totally agree with you on the CBS thing. You may be right regarding a season 6 ratings wise but I question how much creative juice does the series have left. The other thing you alluded to was Melissa. I think 25 years ago these television stars were locked in contactually for seven years to their series. I could be totally wrong here (please feel free to correct me anyone) but I believe they are now contactually obligated for five seasons not seven. If that is so, does she still want to do the series after season five, does she want a substantial bump in pay, will the network give in to Melissa or will the folks at the CW decide that the series is looking a little tired and played out and decide a salary increase for Melissa is not worth it for a declining series and wrap the show up. These are all questions that none of us has any answers to, but I would not quite call season six a sure thing.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Supergirl feels like I am watching a horrible comic from the golden age. I felt embarrassed as a fan when Supergirl fought a pet dragon last season. That moment looked like it was written during the bad days of comics. A lot of people like the golden age because the peril is a lot better than it is today. However, many stories were horribly written like this TV show.

Lex, Jon, and Nia are the only bright spots on the show at the moment.

I'm going to miss James, and I think people's judgments about him are very unfair. I like the character's personality and attitude for the majority of his stay. The writers hurt his character with his relationship with Lena, and did not have anything meaningful to do after season one.

[Abductorenmadrid]

....

I'm going to miss James, and I think people's judgments about him are very unfair. I like the character's personality and attitude for the majority of his stay. The writers hurt his character with his relationship with Lena, and did not have anything meaningful to do after season one.

I think there was a train of thought allowed to develop within the writing team that took JO down a damaging path. I've generally agreed that GUARDIAN was a mistake. The Supergirl playing field has many dimensions to it but JO playing the secret vigilante should NOT have been one of them. Yes, JO's self doubt could have been a plotline in terms of what he perceives is a diminished or ineffectual power of the press, but not to the point of going off the rails towards vigilantism. He could still have been a subtle interloper but not vigilante. Olsen getting schooled by Max Lord after being caught breaking in was a tense moment for sure, that level of peril for JO was certainly a better fit. In the last season it was JO's inspirational photography which helped seed the public mind about ongoing events and it's this "power" that should have been used carefully throughout the seasons.

Now imagine if Maggie had been the one to go secret vigilante instead playing both sides of the law at once. She and Alex could have had an ongoing "will they won't they?" platonic thing for a season or two, easily, all with the vigilante plot bubbling underneath and a unmasking at the end. But the writers burned through that relationship far too cheaply, unfortunately.

[batgirl1969]

There is a girl here at New York comic con looks JUST like her....but she is a cosplayer...so much like her that my girlfriend is now pouty and jealous...lol...at least this girl is still in the skirt!

[GeekyPornCritic]

....

I'm going to miss James, and I think people's judgments about him are very unfair. I like the character's personality and attitude for the majority of his stay. The writers hurt his character with his relationship with Lena, and did not have anything meaningful to do after season one.

I think there was a train of thought allowed to develop within the writing team that took JO down a damaging path. I've generally agreed that GUARDIAN was a mistake. The Supergirl playing field has many dimensions to it but JO playing the secret vigilante should NOT have been one of them. Yes, JO's self doubt could have been a plotline in terms of what he perceives is a diminished or ineffectual power of the press, but not to the point of going off the rails towards vigilantism. He could still have been a subtle interloper but not vigilante. Olsen getting schooled by Max Lord after being caught breaking in was a tense moment for sure, that level of peril for JO was certainly a better fit. In the last season it was JO's inspirational photography which helped seed the public mind about ongoing events and it's this "power" that should have been used carefully throughout the seasons.

Now imagine if Maggie had been the one to go secret vigilante instead playing both sides of the law at once. She and Alex could have had an ongoing "will they won't they?" platonic thing for a season or two, easily, all with the vigilante plot bubbling underneath and a unmasking at the end. But the writers burned through that relationship far too cheaply, unfortunately.

I strongly disagree with you on James's history as The Guardian. His transition to The Guardian makes sense. He has been a victim of many super villains such as Bizzaro, Maxwell Lord, and Lex in events before the series began. I understand James wanting to become stronger and be able to protect the weak.

My only issue is how the characters reacted to James being The Guardian. Everyone including Supergirl did not support him, but he always supported them. It was heartbreaking to see them reject him after he always loved and supported his friends. Even after Kara broke his heart, he continued to support her as a friend. Why is Nia allowed to be Dreamer and he is not allowed to be Guardian? Why is Mon-El allowed to be a hero and not James?

Why does the police want to arrest The Guardian but is okay with Dreamer and Mon-El fighting crime? It appears the police in this universe does not accept black superheroes. I don't think that was the writer's intentions, but that is how the story appears.

I think the writers could have used this moment to turn James into a villain since nobody supported him being a superhero. It also gave a bit of racism since all of the other heroes aren't black. Jon doesn't count since he can clone anybody.

[tallyho]

There is a girl here at New York comic con looks JUST like her....but she is a cosplayer...so much like her that my girlfriend is now pouty and jealous...lol...at least this girl is still in the skirt!

I hope you got a pic of her!

[Abductorenmadrid]

I strongly disagree with you on James's history as The Guardian. His transition to The Guardian makes sense. He has been a victim of many super villains such as Bizzaro, Maxwell Lord, and Lex in events before the series began. I understand James wanting to become stronger and be able to protect the weak.

My only issue is how the characters reacted to James being The Guardian. Everyone including Supergirl did not support him, but he always supported them. It was heartbreaking to see them reject him after he always loved and supported his friends. Even after Kara broke his heart, he continued to support her as a friend. Why is Nia allowed to be Dreamer and he is not allowed to be Guardian? Why is Mon-El allowed to be a hero and not James?

Why does the police want to arrest The Guardian but is okay with Dreamer and Mon-El fighting crime? It appears the police in this universe does not accept black superheroes. I don't think that was the writer's intentions, but that is how the story appears.

I think the writers could have used this moment to turn James into a villain since nobody supported him being a superhero. It also gave a bit of racism since all of the other heroes aren't black. Jon doesn't count since he can clone anybody.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand his reasoning to become Guardian, as you say it does make sense, just I would have preferred his choice to become Guardian was at least first wrestled with before him being dissuaded from it, his friends reminding him of where his true power lies. Maxwell Lord and Lex both have multi-faceted agendas and solid journalism exposing their plans could be more effective than giving them a good punch in the face!

With regards to Guardian, Dreamer, Mon El etc ... I guess some of it comes down to "arrestability". Superheroes tend to go unpunished so long as they are doing good, because their powers make it big-ask to try and arrest them. Yes, I know, some are more powerful than others, but in general that's how things roll. Guardian however is not super. He's a guy in a mask, and if the cops didn't arrest him soon everyone would be some vigilante in a mask and THEN where would we be? Anarchy! Average humans are many, superheroes are not.

So, a genuine question then :- Had Olsen been portrayed by a white actor, the character progression following exactly the same line as it did until Guardian appeared, would the "arrest Guardian!" / "Please don't be Guardian, James" element be there, or would "white Guardian" be given a free pass like Dreamer, Mon El and more

My personal answer is that yes, the cops would still be after Guardian and Supergirl and friends would still be urging their good friend to go back to stick with journalism!

[Abductorenmadrid]

There is a girl here at New York comic con looks JUST like her....but she is a cosplayer...so much like her that my girlfriend is now pouty and jealous...lol...at least this girl is still in the skirt!

I hope you got a pic of her!

Me too !!

[GeekyPornCritic]

I strongly disagree with you on James's history as The Guardian. His transition to The Guardian makes sense. He has been a victim of many super villains such as Bizzaro, Maxwell Lord, and Lex in events before the series began. I understand James wanting to become stronger and be able to protect the weak.

My only issue is how the characters reacted to James being The Guardian. Everyone including Supergirl did not support him, but he always supported them. It was heartbreaking to see them reject him after he always loved and supported his friends. Even after Kara broke his heart, he continued to support her as a friend. Why is Nia allowed to be Dreamer and he is not allowed to be Guardian? Why is Mon-El allowed to be a hero and not James?

Why does the police want to arrest The Guardian but is okay with Dreamer and Mon-El fighting crime? It appears the police in this universe does not accept black superheroes. I don't think that was the writer's intentions, but that is how the story appears.

I think the writers could have used this moment to turn James into a villain since nobody supported him being a superhero. It also gave a bit of racism since all of the other heroes aren't black. Jon doesn't count since he can clone anybody.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand his reasoning to become Guardian, as you say it does make sense, just I would have preferred his choice to become Guardian was at least first wrestled with before him being dissuaded from it, his friends reminding him of where his true power lies. Maxwell Lord and Lex both have multi-faceted agendas and solid journalism exposing their plans could be more effective than giving them a good punch in the face!

With regards to Guardian, Dreamer, Mon El etc ... I guess some of it comes down to "arrestability". Superheroes tend to go unpunished so long as they are doing good, because their powers make it big-ask to try and arrest them. Yes, I know, some are more powerful than others, but in general that's how things roll. Guardian however is not super. He's a guy in a mask, and if the cops didn't arrest him soon everyone would be some vigilante in a mask and THEN where would we be? Anarchy! Average humans are many, superheroes are not.

So, a genuine question then :- Had Olsen been portrayed by a white actor, the character progression following exactly the same line as it did until Guardian appeared, would the "arrest Guardian!" / "Please don't be Guardian, James" element be there, or would "white Guardian" be given a free pass like Dreamer, Mon El and more

My personal answer is that yes, the cops would still be after Guardian and Supergirl and friends would still be urging their good friend to go back to stick with journalism!

Your argument about "arrestability" would be valid if Batwoman wasn't in the same universe. Batwoman and Batman do not have super powers, but are recognized as superheroes. The trailers indicate that the press wonders where Batman is. It appears he is accepted by the police and district attorney.

What do you mean his true power? Yes, he is a famous journalist and reports major events to the world. However, James is not limited to pen and paper. He can be a superhero as well. Half of the Super Friends are journalist. Why can they do both but he is not allowed to? That can also be his ability to protect the weak. His gear makes him a threat to weaker aliens such as the one he easily beats last season.

[bushwackerbob]

It's funny. Back when Smallville aired the producers had to deal with a lot of DC restrictions on characters that were brought in. In fact, the show had to kill off their version of Jimmy Olsen because he was the same age as Clark, Lois, and the rest of the crew when he was supposed to be ten years younger. (The show implied that Jimmy's younger brother was the real Jimmy Olsen). You flash forward to now and not only is James Olsen seem to be around the same age as Tyler Hoechlin's Superman, he has now become an African American. I guess those restrictions are no longer in place.

[Abductorenmadrid]

I strongly disagree with you on James's history as The Guardian. His transition to The Guardian makes sense. He has been a victim of many super villains such as Bizzaro, Maxwell Lord, and Lex in events before the series began. I understand James wanting to become stronger and be able to protect the weak.

My only issue is how the characters reacted to James being The Guardian. Everyone including Supergirl did not support him, but he always supported them. It was heartbreaking to see them reject him after he always loved and supported his friends. Even after Kara broke his heart, he continued to support her as a friend. Why is Nia allowed to be Dreamer and he is not allowed to be Guardian? Why is Mon-El allowed to be a hero and not James?

Why does the police want to arrest The Guardian but is okay with Dreamer and Mon-El fighting crime? It appears the police in this universe does not accept black superheroes. I don't think that was the writer's intentions, but that is how the story appears.

I think the writers could have used this moment to turn James into a villain since nobody supported him being a superhero. It also gave a bit of racism since all of the other heroes aren't black. Jon doesn't count since he can clone anybody.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand his reasoning to become Guardian, as you say it does make sense, just I would have preferred his choice to become Guardian was at least first wrestled with before him being dissuaded from it, his friends reminding him of where his true power lies. Maxwell Lord and Lex both have multi-faceted agendas and solid journalism exposing their plans could be more effective than giving them a good punch in the face!

With regards to Guardian, Dreamer, Mon El etc ... I guess some of it comes down to "arrestability". Superheroes tend to go unpunished so long as they are doing good, because their powers make it big-ask to try and arrest them. Yes, I know, some are more powerful than others, but in general that's how things roll. Guardian however is not super. He's a guy in a mask, and if the cops didn't arrest him soon everyone would be some vigilante in a mask and THEN where would we be? Anarchy! Average humans are many, superheroes are not.

So, a genuine question then :- Had Olsen been portrayed by a white actor, the character progression following exactly the same line as it did until Guardian appeared, would the "arrest Guardian!" / "Please don't be Guardian, James" element be there, or would "white Guardian" be given a free pass like Dreamer, Mon El and more

My personal answer is that yes, the cops would still be after Guardian and Supergirl and friends would still be urging their good friend to go back to stick with journalism!

Your argument about "arrestability" would be valid if Batwoman wasn't in the same universe. Batwoman and Batman do not have super powers, but are recognized as superheroes. The trailers indicate that the press wonders where Batman is. It appears he is accepted by the police and district attorney.

What do you mean his true power? Yes, he is a famous journalist and reports major events to the world. However, James is not limited to pen and paper. He can be a superhero as well. Half of the Super Friends are journalist. Why can they do both but he is not allowed to? That can also be his ability to protect the weak. His gear makes him a threat to weaker aliens such as the one he easily beats last season.

Forgive me, because I am a a mere diet-caffeine-sugar-lite-free version of a hero-verse consumer. I am not into comics or overly versed in all the lore of all the characters that feature in them or the various TV shows. As a casual observer I was going to liken Bat/man/woman/girl to Guardian for the very same reason (powers), though in your opinion you say the police tend to see them as heroes or allies. If you were to add a reality spin to them though you could imagine the Police being directed to bring them down. I know everyone has their own version of Batman in mind, and I for one prefer his relationship with Gordon as being murky, clandestine and unofficial, which suits that grittier version of their world. And I should add I have not actually seen how Batwoman is perceived by the police in the CW version of the universe yet but I will take your word for it that their relationship is good.

With Olsen I was referring to his power on the journalistic side. His eye down the viewfinder. The words to write. But hey, I think we have labored these points and value them in our own way.

I hope we can both can give each other an acknowledging nod and accept eachothers perceptions of how things could be. You've raised points I accept, at least as options a character would consider (even though I hoped they would then discount) and I hope you can at least see some of my side too. Good debate but let us move on after you use your right to reply.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I strongly disagree with you on James's history as The Guardian. His transition to The Guardian makes sense. He has been a victim of many super villains such as Bizzaro, Maxwell Lord, and Lex in events before the series began. I understand James wanting to become stronger and be able to protect the weak.

My only issue is how the characters reacted to James being The Guardian. Everyone including Supergirl did not support him, but he always supported them. It was heartbreaking to see them reject him after he always loved and supported his friends. Even after Kara broke his heart, he continued to support her as a friend. Why is Nia allowed to be Dreamer and he is not allowed to be Guardian? Why is Mon-El allowed to be a hero and not James?

Why does the police want to arrest The Guardian but is okay with Dreamer and Mon-El fighting crime? It appears the police in this universe does not accept black superheroes. I don't think that was the writer's intentions, but that is how the story appears.

I think the writers could have used this moment to turn James into a villain since nobody supported him being a superhero. It also gave a bit of racism since all of the other heroes aren't black. Jon doesn't count since he can clone anybody.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand his reasoning to become Guardian, as you say it does make sense, just I would have preferred his choice to become Guardian was at least first wrestled with before him being dissuaded from it, his friends reminding him of where his true power lies. Maxwell Lord and Lex both have multi-faceted agendas and solid journalism exposing their plans could be more effective than giving them a good punch in the face!

With regards to Guardian, Dreamer, Mon El etc ... I guess some of it comes down to "arrestability". Superheroes tend to go unpunished so long as they are doing good, because their powers make it big-ask to try and arrest them. Yes, I know, some are more powerful than others, but in general that's how things roll. Guardian however is not super. He's a guy in a mask, and if the cops didn't arrest him soon everyone would be some vigilante in a mask and THEN where would we be? Anarchy! Average humans are many, superheroes are not.

So, a genuine question then :- Had Olsen been portrayed by a white actor, the character progression following exactly the same line as it did until Guardian appeared, would the "arrest Guardian!" / "Please don't be Guardian, James" element be there, or would "white Guardian" be given a free pass like Dreamer, Mon El and more

My personal answer is that yes, the cops would still be after Guardian and Supergirl and friends would still be urging their good friend to go back to stick with journalism!

Your argument about "arrestability" would be valid if Batwoman wasn't in the same universe. Batwoman and Batman do not have super powers, but are recognized as superheroes. The trailers indicate that the press wonders where Batman is. It appears he is accepted by the police and district attorney.

What do you mean his true power? Yes, he is a famous journalist and reports major events to the world. However, James is not limited to pen and paper. He can be a superhero as well. Half of the Super Friends are journalist. Why can they do both but he is not allowed to? That can also be his ability to protect the weak. His gear makes him a threat to weaker aliens such as the one he easily beats last season.

Forgive me, because I am a a mere diet-caffeine-sugar-lite-free version of a hero-verse consumer. I am not into comics or overly versed in all the lore of all the characters that feature in them or the various TV shows. As a casual observer I was going to liken Bat/man/woman/girl to Guardian for the very same reason (powers), though in your opinion you say the police tend to see them as heroes or allies. If you were to add a reality spin to them though you could imagine the Police being directed to bring them down. I know everyone has their own version of Batman in mind, and I for one prefer his relationship with Gordon as being murky, clandestine and unofficial, which suits that grittier version of their world. And I should add I have not actually seen how Batwoman is perceived by the police in the CW version of the universe yet but I will take your word for it that their relationship is good.

With Olsen I was referring to his power on the journalistic side. His eye down the viewfinder. The words to write. But hey, I think we have labored these points and value them in our own way.

I hope we can both can give each other an acknowledging nod and accept eachothers perceptions of how things could be. You've raised points I accept, at least as options a character would consider (even though I hoped they would then discount) and I hope you can at least see some of my side too. Good debate but let us move on after you use your right to reply.

I see your side about the authorities do not want everyone to be a superhero. Then, there will be fools getting themselves killed. I think most people feared aliens at the time so it was an unlikely problem. The average person isn't going to confront a blue alien with red eyes.

However, the police turned a blind eye to people like Agent Liberty and eventually released Agent Liberty from custody. I forgot to mention Agent Liberty in my earlier response. He was also taking action as a "superhero" for anti-alien activist. I am only calling Agent Liberty a "superhero" because he believed he was a hero and doing the right thing. The president gave Agent Liberty authority in the White House.

[Visitor]

It turned out in the end that Agent Liberty was an unwitting stooge for Lex Luthor's scheme to create fake news to put him in power. Giving his company access to aliens rounded up to power his weapon.

Early on when the DEO/police was supposed to stop Supergirl, she just flew off before she could be arrested. IT basically was to show that some aliens could do as they pleased since they couldn't be stopped. In the same way police in Gotham couldn't capture Batman and all those toys.

[bushwackerbob]

Of course Agent Liberty was also a stooge/PR pawn of the anti-alien President Baker and I think Agent Liberty's release was another way of showing that Baker was not on Supergirl's side, that he was an adversary that Supergirl had to contend with. It's not as much that the police turned a blind eye to Agent Liberty's misdeeds and mischief as much as it was certain elements in the government (such as Baker) were sympathetic to agent Liberty's cause. I still cannot fathom that alien born former President Marsden selected Baker as VP.

[Abductorenmadrid]

Of course Agent Liberty was also a stooge/PR pawn of the anti-alien President Baker and I think Agent Liberty's release was another way of showing that Baker was not on Supergirl's side, that he was an adversary that Supergirl had to contend with. It's not as much that the police turned a blind eye to Agent Liberty's misdeeds and mischief as much as it was certain elements in the government (such as Baker) were sympathetic to agent Liberty's cause. I still cannot fathom that alien born former President Marsden selected Baker as VP.

I guess as with all things political it was a compromise solution to have Baker. And while he became a pawn of Lex he in turn apparently was only a pawn himself. He was meant to "move the needle", so the sinister lady said to Tessmacher. And was it "Leviathan" the name that had been uttered, I forget. These shady groups are numerous it seems!

[bushwackerbob]

Of course Agent Liberty was also a stooge/PR pawn of the anti-alien President Baker and I think Agent Liberty's release was another way of showing that Baker was not on Supergirl's side, that he was an adversary that Supergirl had to contend with. It's not as much that the police turned a blind eye to Agent Liberty's misdeeds and mischief as much as it was certain elements in the government (such as Baker) were sympathetic to agent Liberty's cause. I still cannot fathom that alien born former President Marsden selected Baker as VP.

I guess as with all things political it was a compromise solution to have Baker. And while he became a pawn of Lex he in turn apparently was only a pawn himself. He was meant to "move the needle", so the sinister lady said to Tessmacher. And was it "Leviathan" the name that had been uttered, I forget. These shady groups are numerous it seems!

I suppose it was a compromise solution. I remember reading about how JFK did not want LBJ on the ticket with him, that he was sort of pressured into it, but nowadays that does not seem to happen anymore, that the Presidential candidate practically (within reason of course) has total decision making power over who to name as his running mate. Marsden/Baker does not make sense on any level. I know this is a bit of an overstatement, but It would be like President Obama selecting Mike Pence as a running mate. Those pairs do not belong in the same stratosphere never mind the same political parties.

[Visitor]

It's more like Trump/Pence where each candidate represents a different and opposite group of voters. Religious voters support Pence and for being like them and only support Trump for getting them judges while his own personal behavior is far from their views.

[Visitor]

Well this was a disappointment. It's all about the Benjamins or in this case the clicks on a show that is losing viewers. Too bad they didn't give us a good reason to come back.

I'm thinking about just recording the show so I can zap more than the commercials to get to the better parts. Because the best part was Kara's reaction to seeing the image of Lex Luthor she fell upon while fighting the dinosaur.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Lena's hatred of Supergirl is not justified in any means. This is one of the worst stories on television. It is completely illogical.

[JennyFromTheBlock]

Given that the new suit is nanobots, a cameltoe situation should be impossible due to programming.

[brdiy]

Lena's hatred of Supergirl is not justified in any means. This is one of the worst stories on television. It is completely illogical.

Arrowverse shows tend to make a big deal about lying, regardless of the intent. I've seen it happen one too many times.

[theScribbler]

Given that the new suit is nanobots, a cameltoe situation should be impossible due to programming.

Programming can be hacked!

..and that should happen, to her costume, and to all the upcoming scripts!

[Abductorenmadrid]

Not seen SE05 E01 yet but I thought they'd generally managed Lena's relationship with Kara Danvers and SG quite well until now.

Lena is complicated, due to her family history she needs a confidant, a strong loyal friend, or better still, a sort of "family". With the Kara she thought she knew she was getting that and must have good memories of their times together at her apartment and with friends. Heck even at the last gathering at JJ's when she arrives he says something quite telling about how close they were all becoming;

"James will be here soon and then the whole family will be together".

Supergirl on the other hand has often been a source of friction. It's not that Lena has evil plans, but she has a view on things which is no doubt tainted by the Luthor family. This tends to have her trying to do "good" while not necessarily following the most ideal ethical route. The pair have fought frequently but have always made up, good deeds towards one another often outweighing ill chosen or mistimed words. SG has saved Lena's life numerous times and when it came to the crunch Lena provided the suit that protected SG while the atmosphere was laced with Kryptonite.

What looks to be driving Lena's anger and perhaps inner turmoil is that she sees what she had with Kara Danvers was a lie. Lena has to understand that just as she is careful about who she opens up to (thanks to so much betrayal in her life) Supergirl too has to be careful and for similar reasons, the danger of betrayal. Hopefully Lena will figure out that she has always had the "entire" Kara in her life whether it be Danvers during difficult personal moments, or, as SG to tell her when she might be going down the wrong, or bad path in her professional life. Just because Kara might have been wearing different clothes at times, she was always trying to be Lena's friend.

[batgirl1969]

Given that the new suit is nanobots, a cameltoe situation should be impossible due to programming.

Programming can be hacked!

..and that should happen, to her costume, and to all the upcoming scripts!

wouldn't it be awesome if the suit was a very fluid material and it would penetrate her, locking itself in place in both places in her body, this would prevent a camel toe and would also act as a security device, like a chastity belt so no one can penetrate her unwillingly, plus it would probably give her quite a thrill during any movement....love it!!

[JennyFromTheBlock]

First person to spot the Super cameltoe in her new "pants" wins. My guess is, it is impossible because MB probably had them sew a steel plate into them. lol

[batgirl1969]

First person to spot the Super cameltoe in her new "pants" wins. My guess is, it is impossible because MB probably had them sew a steel plate into them. lol

If she was my girlfriend I would put a chastity belt on her all the time...a beautiful blonde goddess like her needs only the special attention a lesbian lover can provide her....I would totallly volunteer for the role

[Danorian]

I'd love to test the thickness of the new material by spanking her sweet tushie! Put her over my knee, please?!
Speaking of outfits, it's silly that her civilian outfits show Kara with a bra size, yet in her "super-suit" she has as much-erm-boobage as a girl in a training bra! As is said in The Producers, "If you got it, flaunt it!"

My 2 cents.

[shevek]

Yes, Danorian..for me, the best part of Episode 1 was seeing Melissa in those two fancy dresses which were both tight and shapely, showcasing a shapely body and very round and full buttocks. If only her costume were more like that. The first nano-transformation of the new costume was disappointing. Sure, it's very sexy that she can transform by flicking off her glasses and tossing her hair (kind of a nod to the way Clark Kent becomes Superman, but a feminine version) but all they showed was the nanosuit traveling up one of her arms. We don't see it encase any other parts of her body (which would have been very welcome) because they cut away to Lena's reaction, and then cut back to Melissa fully transformed and saying, "Look! Pants!". That was weak.

As for the plot, it was more disappointing than that. And it seems to have to do with the Arrowverse writers' tendency to spill all the beans too early (this also happened in the Batwoman premiere, see the other thread for that). The tension about whether Kara would tell Lena her secret should have gone on for *many* episodes, balanced on Lena's side by her resentment building as she knows the secret but wants to retain it as part of her evil(ish)
plans. Instead, they broke the tension right away. Sure, it gave Melissa a chance to show her emotional chops - she did more crying in one minute than she did in the past four seasons - but (like Geeky said) it also pretty much eliminated the reason that Lena resented Kara. Now what is Lena's motivation: "She lied to me for so long, so now I'm going to make her pay for lying to me?" So even though Lena is supportive to her friend in public, she's going to undermine her in private? That doesn't make any sense.

Another thing that I didn't like was the plot where Rojas takes over Catco, and some antagonism is built over whether Rojas can turn Catco into a shallow clickbait site. My answer: who cares? That has nothing to do with a superhero show. It's more suited to a plot on a show called "Lou Grant" (am I showing my age here?). And I don't think anyone else cares either. Maybe if they all quit Catco and started their own news company, making Rojas a villainess of sorts, that would make sense. But they didn't..apparently only Jimmy Olsen did. And I'm not even sure Jimmy's walkout will stick - if he can't work anywhere as a journalist, what's he going to do, just fight evil as Guardian? Rojas is a useless character, as far as I can tell, and therefore unnecessary.

But I think the worst thing about the episode is the cavalier way they treated the villainess character Midnight and her power to create black holes.
I looked it up: Midnight is a very recently created villainess from the cancelled Superwoman comic (which only made it to 18 issues...near the end of its turn it dipped below 12,000 copies shipped). In that comic, Midnight is a living virus created by the imprisoned Lena Luthor, she has a very inhuman cyborg-like appearance (silver bald Luthorian head), and she can create very powerful black holes that literally warp reality and twist entire buildings into pretzels. The Midnight in the TV show was almost none of those things. She had long black hair and didn't seem to be any sort of virus, she wore an average-looking spandex jumpsuit, was apparently at one point a war recruit for the White Martians, and her black holes were so weak that they couldn't even suck in any of the seats in the auditorium where the battle took place (meaning that the science was even bad in this episode).

I guess I'm looking forward to seeing exactly who J'onn's brother is, and how he survived the death of the Green Martian race, but then again, that could easily be on a show called Martian Manhunter. It's sad that it's potentially the most interesting plot point for a show called "Supergirl."

[GeekyPornCritic]

I don't think Rojas is useless. I am predicting Lena, Rojas, the new jackass reporter, or Lena's AI to be the main villain. Somebody is going to corrupt the new virtual reality technology and use it for vile intentions. Lena's AI is on top of the list. It really wants to kill Supergirl and appears to be growing a mind of its own.