KnightsofGotham.com wrote:where do I start with you?
lol
ok lets try tackling this master work one point at a time. maybe I was in the wrong for not choosing words carefully but just the same lets pick this apart:
Arcane wrote:
Respectfully disagree.
Dominated by women over 35? Do you know every models age? To be correct in your assertion, you would have to ask every model their age or look up their age and then find the dominant percentage to be over 35. Guessing you've yet to do the aforementioned.
almost 20 years in the business and have more than one contact in the fetish. also a being a producer of the fetish since we started in the 90's. When we started this Evangeline was in her early 20's all of the industry names were well over 30. she didnt pick up steam until 31. the majority of pantyhose models worked for a year or two, didnt get booked, quit for other fetishes. found sucess there and didnt do pantyhose work. many of them found sucess with pantyhose after they were over 30. what does this say to you?
to me it says the younger models dont become industry names until they are older. Being a Pantyhose producer for almost 20 years whenever we shot pantyhose fetish with younger girls they didnt sell as well as with mature ones. this is where my facts come from. other producer friends of mine have also noticed that older is better in pantyhose fetish. so its just niot me. its several producers. Last time I went to Fetishcon I had a great conversation with a well known pantyhose producer who was getting tired of the industry because he himself loved younger girls but the best selling pantyhose movies were from established older models. he was thinking of quitting even way back then. who are the top names right now? industry names in pantyhose. can you name any? how old are they?
showing random young women wearing pantyhose doesnt mean anything because we still shoot younger models....they just dont sell as well as older. Im getting my data from my own sales over 20 years and the comments from other pantyhose producers.
where are you getting your data from? just you?
Arcane wrote:
"People who buy pantyhose movies want mature vs young spring chicken."
I am in the people category, so you're incorrect.
I am mistaken. I should have said the majority. the majority want mature. thats where the numbers come from..... the majority
you are in the minority. the numbers say so.
so unless you can supply me with factual numbers then you're in the minority.
sorry but its true.
Arcane wrote:
Additionally, a large amount of Heroine movies contain Heroines in pantyhose. The majority of models in Heroine movies are not over 35 are they?
Ahhh....whats the superheroine forum without a strawman for an argument. lol we are talking about Pantyhose fetish, not superheroine fetish. superheroine fetish is notorious as being fickle as fuck and so micro fetish based that trying to find data to back an argument is impossible.
pantyhose vs bare feet.
boots vs debatingdemasking vs retaining identity
defeat vs demise
defeat vs victory
authentic expensive costume vs crap hollywood adventure or cheap lycra one piece
sexual humiliation vs. pg-13
lesbian vs straightit goes on and on and there are frequent arguments at any given time about whats better and whats authentic and whats realistic. blah blah blah.
stick to the argument. this is Pantyhose fetish, not superheroine sub-niche pantyhose. your argument there is dismantled with no effort. next.
Arcane wrote:
"People just don't want to buy young women in pantyhose."
Lastly, why make such a matter of fact statement, that can be unquestionably disproved.
disproved how?
I provide data for my comment.
near 20 years of shooting pantyhose and in near 20 years the older the models are the more money is made from them.
wait not just me. several other producers as well.
Im not talking out the side of my ass here.
this is my job. what I've done for nearly 2 decades.
what experience do you have other than your personal opinion?
Now that we have cleared that up please stop trying to derail the thread.
I gave my case for why there arent many black models and I stand by my statement.
This isnt a pantyhose thread so lets stick to topic. if you want to debate me on this start another thread and lets go there. I hate when people derail my threads with bullshit pointless arguments so i would prefer to keep this thread as clear of derail bullshit as possible.
You realize you're projecting. I'm simply responding to something "you said" so he who derails is "you". If you didn't want pantyhose mentioned, you shouldn't have mentioned them.
"almost 20 years in the business and have more than one contact in the fetish. also a being a producer of the fetish since we started in the 90's. When we started this Evangeline was in her early 20's all of the industry names were well over 30. she didnt pick up steam until 31. the majority of pantyhose models worked for a year or two, didnt get booked, quit for other fetishes. found sucess there and didnt do pantyhose work. many of them found sucess with pantyhose after they were over 30. what does this say to you?
to me it says the younger models dont become industry names until they are older. Being a Pantyhose producer for almost 20 years whenever we shot pantyhose fetish with younger girls they didnt sell as well as with mature ones. this is where my facts come from. other producer friends of mine have also noticed that older is better in pantyhose fetish. so its just niot me. its several producers. Last time I went to Fetishcon I had a great conversation with a well known pantyhose producer who was getting tired of the industry because he himself loved younger girls but the best selling pantyhose movies were from established older models. he was thinking of quitting even way back then. who are the top names right now? industry names in pantyhose. can you name any? how old are they?
showing random young women wearing pantyhose doesnt mean anything because we still shoot younger models....they just dont sell as well as older. Im getting my data from my own sales over 20 years and the comments from other pantyhose producers.
where are you getting your data from? just you?"
So in response to "Dominated by women over 35? Do you know every models age? To be correct in your assertion, you would have to ask every model their age or look up their age and then find the dominant percentage to be over 35. Guessing you've yet to do the aforementioned." your answer is, you're right, I've yet to do the aforementioned.
Instead of doing what needs to be done, to establish your claims as facts, you'd rather go on your experience and that of people you know. Your experience isn't automatically universal, and neither is theirs. If there's one hundred people in a category, it would be incognizant to say, I've spoken to twenty five of the hundred, so I know how everybody feels. Correction, you don't.
You're asserting, many models didn't find success until after the age of 30, and asking what this says to me. It says the models in question did things to become more attractive. You really believe you could have a beautiful 25 year old model and people are going to say "Wow, she's the most beautiful girl I've ever seen, but she's under 35 so I can't purchase anything she does." That's beyond absurd. Here's an idea, maybe people who specifically buy your movies simply prefer older women, in anything and everything. It could be socks, thigh highs, shorts, high heels, etc.... Maybe the following of you and your friends are MILF fans, that's entirely more feasible. If you opened a site with models wearing ankle socks and the over 35 models were more popular, it's simply because with your specific crowd models over 35 are more popular, it has nothing to do with the socks. Ergo, it has nothing to do with the pantyhose.
Regarding names in the industry who sell. The majority of the models both Zoli and Pavel work with appear to be under 35. I take it they're not interested in losing money, shooting unpopular models would be inane and antithetical to their desires.
"I am mistaken. I should have said the majority. the majority want mature. thats where the numbers come from..... the majority
you are in the minority. the numbers say so. so unless you can supply me with factual numbers then you're in the minority.
sorry but its true."
The numbers of you and your friends, exactly. One or two parts does not equal the whole.
"Ahhh....whats the superheroine forum without a strawman for an argument. lol we are talking about Pantyhose fetish, not superheroine fetish. superheroine fetish is notorious as being fickle as fuck and so micro fetish based that trying to find data to back an argument is impossible.
pantyhose vs bare feet.
boots vs debatingdemasking vs retaining identity
defeat vs demise
defeat vs victory
authentic expensive costume vs crap hollywood adventure or cheap lycra one piece
sexual humiliation vs. pg-13
lesbian vs straight
it goes on and on and there are frequent arguments at any given time about whats better and whats authentic and whats realistic. blah blah blah. stick to the argument. this is Pantyhose fetish, not superheroine sub-niche pantyhose. your argument there is dismantled with no effort. next"
Straw-Man, merely stating a fact. It doesn't alter the truth of the statement.
Yes, this is pantyhose fetish. Why assume you are everyone. Maybe for some here, maybe for many, it's the exact opposite. Pantyhose
is primary, superheroine is secondary. Her being a superheroine could be the micro fetish. For that matter bondage sex could be primary and the fact she's wearing a sexy costume and putting up great superheroine resistance could be ancillary, pure icing. Everybody has their own main interest.
Nothing is dismantled, if there are individuals here primarily because they enjoy hot young models in provocative costumes that include pantyhose and all else is of less importance.
"disproved how?
I provide data for my comment.
near 20 years of shooting pantyhose and in near 20 years the older the models are the more money is made from them.
wait not just me. several other producers as well.
Im not talking out the side of my ass here.
this is my job. what I've done for nearly 2 decades.
what experience do you have other than your personal opinion?"
Disproved how? Really?
You said "People just don't want to buy young women in pantyhose." that's completely false. I.E., disproved. In fact, you, yourself, disproved it with this "we still shoot younger models". Talk about no effort.
As to your last question, my experience is empirical.
To conclude, I'm not starting a new thread, for I've no interest in discussing this any further, I was just letting you know you made one or more false statements. Something you now acknowledge. I truly appreciate you've the capacity to admit you were mistaken and wrong. Thank you.