Why Does it Seem if Someone Admits to Planning Getting Back to Normal They are Attacked?

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Is it because "normal" is a subjective term. Some see it as, "no change" and others see it as "getting back to work to earn a living"?

I see interviews of people (I am a big sports guy, so they get interviewed more). That are crushed because they are planning for doing their job, which is coaching and getting their players ready to compete. At the same time those who say, things will never be the same, have very minimal push back?

As those who know me, I am very simple, but look to history on my opinions. (and opinions are like elbows, we have more than one).
If you don't plan you plan to fail.

Okay. Now I am going to give a reason why what I just said is total BS

Our (most) Governments run a budget deficit. How can you trust a Government that can't balance a budget In times where things are great? (It is broken, by the people that represent us, they are professional politicians (aka liars!). A politician should not be a professional careers.

I will get back to running deficits. US can print $$$, The Danes have a NEGATIVE interest rate. How many out there are scared for the future generations just on a fiscal issues?

BTW: I am concerned they know it, and the reason for this insanity (obviously my worry) probably doesn't even scratch the surface of what the people in charge are scared of! I am hoping and ranting that they are only interested in keeping their power, at the expense of our future.

Bury this!

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Those in charge of government spending spend to stay in power. The initial Republican stimulus plan had no oversight in how the money was to be spent and a 6 month period where no records would be available on where the money went. So it would be a few months before the US election before the people could find out if they did release records.

Trump encourages deficit spending because he has never run a business any other way. His staff knows he doesn't want to hear about hypothetical bad news situations, so Trump doesn't prepare for problems. As long as things are good, he's a success. When things go bad, he names scapegoats to blame and fire.

For those old enough to remember the earlier Republican domination of the US under Bush II, there was the infamous Bridge to Nowhere and other pork barrel spending to keep the Republicans in power. Building a bridge to replace a ferry in bad weather where that weather would have also shut down the bridge.

We will be back to normal in a few months. That means more mismanagement until the next crisis.
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Those in charge of government spending spend to stay in power. The initial Republican stimulus plan had no oversight in how the money was to be spent and a 6 month period where no records would be available on where the money went. So it would be a few months before the US election before the people could find out if they did release records.

Trump encourages deficit spending because he has never run a business any other way. His staff knows he doesn't want to hear about hypothetical bad news situations, so Trump doesn't prepare for problems. As long as things are good, he's a success. When things go bad, he names scapegoats to blame and fire.

For those old enough to remember the earlier Republican domination of the US under Bush II, there was the infamous Bridge to Nowhere and other pork barrel spending to keep the Republicans in power. Building a bridge to replace a ferry in bad weather where that weather would have also shut down the bridge.

We will be back to normal in a few months. That means more mismanagement until the next crisis.
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And the house of reps control the purse strings! If we can't balance the budget at the best of times, what hope do we have?
So stop your shit and talk facts! No matter what, who has run a business? Trump or any government politician? I dare you to say AOC, Pelosi, Shumar, or any of the so called politicians. My point is that that we have learned we can vote in people that will promise cash in our pockets!" That is the beginning of the end!
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Trump's businesses:

Trump airline - bankrupt and sold
Trump casinos - 3 bankruptcies and sold, one casino being torn down as a public safety hazard as it is falling down into the street
Trump university - closed as a fraudulent for profit school that wasn't delivering on claims, settled out of court
Trump charity - closed for failure to register as a charity to get tax exempt status it was claiming, dissolved
Trump buildings - too many properties that never got built, sold or never got permits
Trump football team - USFL New Jersey Generals - that was a joint effort in failure because he was only a part owner. However Trump wanted to schedule games on Sunday against the NFL.
Trump paid for helping a pyramid scheme - still in discovery, Trump lost fight to block release of records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACN_Inc.
Trump evaded paying New York state income taxes on rental income - still in discovery, Trump fighting release of records
Trump on Russian money laundering through Deutsche Bank - still in discovery, Trump fighting release of records

Do you really think a failed businessman that hasn't learned from his mistakes is better?
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Trump's claims to be a success are based on:

He was made president of his first company by his father at age 3 at a salary of $200000 (Trump's in his 70s).
He was given about $400 million from his father mostly in direct payments and one $1 million loan. He still had to ask his family to get his inheritance early to prop up his failing real estate business.
He plastered his name on several buildings, usually in gold, but now residents want that name removed.
Owns several resorts
- Doral in Florida - Republicans that held an event there complained of mold and other smells in rooms and ballrooms
- Mar-a-lago - Chinese spy wouldn't rent a room there and pretended to be a guest to install spyware.
- two resorts have had illegal aliens working there
Trump Vinyards - illegal aliens working there were fired after latest harvest
Trump construction in New York City - illegal Polish aliens hired to build it
Trump managed hotel in Panama - being sued for fraud and withholding taxes, destroyed records
His businesses lost more money in a twenty year period than any other companies.
Pretended to be a Trump employee to boast about his success.
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Trump and the repubs have been hypocrites on over spending, repubs in particular. They broke some of Obama's spending records. But sadly the dems never call them out on this. They could roast the repubs on this but instead are now acting more like Alex Jones. I was happy the dems blocked the stimulus package but they were doing it to stuff their own pork into it. No principles.
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Those in charge of government spending spend to stay in power. The initial Republican stimulus plan had no oversight in how the money was to be spent and a 6 month period where no records would be available on where the money went. So it would be a few months before the US election before the people could find out if they did release records.

Trump encourages deficit spending because he has never run a business any other way. His staff knows he doesn't want to hear about hypothetical bad news situations, so Trump doesn't prepare for problems. As long as things are good, he's a success. When things go bad, he names scapegoats to blame and fire.

For those old enough to remember the earlier Republican domination of the US under Bush II, there was the infamous Bridge to Nowhere and other pork barrel spending to keep the Republicans in power. Building a bridge to replace a ferry in bad weather where that weather would have also shut down the bridge.

We will be back to normal in a few months. That means more mismanagement until the next crisis.
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And the house of reps control the purse strings! If we can't balance the budget at the best of times, what hope do we have?
So stop your shit and talk facts! No matter what, who has run a business? Trump or any government politician? I dare you to say AOC, Pelosi, Shumar, or any of the so called politicians. My point is that that we have learned we can vote in people that will promise cash in our pockets!" That is the beginning of the end!
Agreed 100%. It's hard for me to admit this, but the last President to act responsibly in budget matters was Bill Clinton. I guess the truth of the matter is no matter who we elect they will waste the taxpayers money on items that matter most that impart on their world view and fund their pet projects. Look at the money we wasted on Kennedy Center in the last stimulus package and they still laid off employees. That is not how this thing is supposed to work. Stay healthy everyone!
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That was a republican congress under Bill Clinton and he only stopped wanting to spend in the last two years, he was just smart enough not to argue and he signed whatever the repubs put up. Also the repubs raided social security and put Treasury Notes in place (also known as toilet paper) and that's how they got that budget surplus.

And this repubs are not today's repubs. Today's repubs are just diet democrats. Trump is a diet democrat and was a democrat for many years. Given his current spending he's worse than Obama.
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Mr. X wrote:
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That was a republican congress under Bill Clinton and he only stopped wanting to spend in the last two years, he was just smart enough not to argue and he signed whatever the repubs put up. Also the repubs raided social security and put Treasury Notes in place (also known as toilet paper) and that's how they got that budget surplus.

And this repubs are not today's repubs. Today's repubs are just diet democrats. Trump is a diet democrat and was a democrat for many years. Given his current spending he's worse than Obama.
I really don't disagree with much of what you said, but I do want to give someone else credit for somewhat sane government spending during this period: Ross Perot. I really didn't like the man but you have to give him credit in that balancing the budget was one of his main issues when he ran for President, and in an attempt to siphon off support from his supporters and co-opt his message, both Clinton and a Republican Congress both sought to position themselves as fiscally responsible parties during this period so that they could benefit politically in subsequent elections. Ross Perot on his own didn't make a giant splash when he ran for President in the nineties but his influence can definitely be felt in terms of the affect he had on both the White House and a Republican Congress in terms of acting fiscally responsible manner.
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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Mr. X wrote:
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That was a republican congress under Bill Clinton and he only stopped wanting to spend in the last two years, he was just smart enough not to argue and he signed whatever the repubs put up. Also the repubs raided social security and put Treasury Notes in place (also known as toilet paper) and that's how they got that budget surplus.

And this repubs are not today's repubs. Today's repubs are just diet democrats. Trump is a diet democrat and was a democrat for many years. Given his current spending he's worse than Obama.
I really don't disagree with much of what you said, but I do want to give someone else credit for somewhat sane government spending during this period: Ross Perot. I really didn't like the man but you have to give him credit in that balancing the budget was one of his main issues when he ran for President, and in an attempt to siphon off support from his supporters and co-opt his message, both Clinton and a Republican Congress both sought to position themselves as fiscally responsible parties during this period so that they could benefit politically in subsequent elections. Ross Perot on his own didn't make a giant splash when he ran for President in the nineties but his influence can definitely be felt in terms of the affect he had on both the White House and a Republican Congress in terms of acting fiscally responsible manner.
I don't like giving credit to someone for something they said they would do... but never did, even if part of why they didn't is that they never got the chance to. Perot 'might' have balanced the budget, or he might not have. All we know for sure is he had it on his platform. Like... I don't deserve that much credit for saying 'I want to enforce world peace!' cause I can't prove that its possible or make it happen. Sure it's what I WANT... but big donkey donuts? I want a lot of things I can't have!
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Femina wrote:
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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Mr. X wrote:
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That was a republican congress under Bill Clinton and he only stopped wanting to spend in the last two years, he was just smart enough not to argue and he signed whatever the repubs put up. Also the repubs raided social security and put Treasury Notes in place (also known as toilet paper) and that's how they got that budget surplus.

And this repubs are not today's repubs. Today's repubs are just diet democrats. Trump is a diet democrat and was a democrat for many years. Given his current spending he's worse than Obama.
I really don't disagree with much of what you said, but I do want to give someone else credit for somewhat sane government spending during this period: Ross Perot. I really didn't like the man but you have to give him credit in that balancing the budget was one of his main issues when he ran for President, and in an attempt to siphon off support from his supporters and co-opt his message, both Clinton and a Republican Congress both sought to position themselves as fiscally responsible parties during this period so that they could benefit politically in subsequent elections. Ross Perot on his own didn't make a giant splash when he ran for President in the nineties but his influence can definitely be felt in terms of the affect he had on both the White House and a Republican Congress in terms of acting fiscally responsible manner.
I don't like giving credit to someone for something they said they would do... but never did, even if part of why they didn't is that they never got the chance to. Perot 'might' have balanced the budget, or he might not have. All we know for sure is he had it on his platform. Like... I don't deserve that much credit for saying 'I want to enforce world peace!' cause I can't prove that its possible or make it happen. Sure it's what I WANT... but big donkey donuts? I want a lot of things I can't have!
Yes, you are quite right, Perot didn't actually do anything, but my point was that both political parties have had a history of wasteful budgetary spending and our problems in dealing with the budget deficit were only getting worse. Perot identified a significant problem which was an extraordinary amount of wasteful budgetary spending by our government and that issue that he raised awareness of resonated with a surprisingly large segment of the American public. The Perot movement scared the shit out of the two political parties entrenched in Washington as his movement got traction. Anytime in Washington that a rich guy threatens to come to power (I know, a lot of people never thought he could win, but he scared an awful lot of people, deja vu huh?) special interests from both sides of the aisle feel threatened because they can't legally bribe these prostitutes dressed up nice that call themselves Congressmen, U.S Senators, and yes, Mr. President. In my view, Perot bringing this issue to the forefront in a Presidential election cycle, combined with the fact that his issue resonated with the American public caused both political parties to say "me too", and follow suit because they badly wanted the support and votes of those Perot voters and a non inclination to support Perot's issue by either party might have conceivably drove Perot supporters to vote for the other guy or party. I just don't see the impetus to balance the budget in the nineties without the Perot phenomenon. All movements start with a germ of an idea or message and move on from there. You don't have to win an election to effect change in the world or influence people. All it takes is a good common sense idea that resonates with enough people.
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My first step to a solution is to put term limits on our politicians. Being a politician should not be a profession.

Have you noticed that the politicians come out of office with a lot more $$$ than they went in with? That is Reps and Dems. It makes me gag when a politician says he is 'A Civil Servant' .

(BTW, even the Socialist Bernie (and most of the others) makes $$$ just by running for office. Basically there is a loop hole where they can put 10% of all he political advertising into the pockets of friends and family (The Purchasing Agent of those Adds, which don't have to be identified!). That is beyond all the politicians that are officers in 'Non-Profit' Organizations. If you look at those organizations they DO pay the officers of the organization, and / or help pay expenses they incur in 'helping' the organization...Then our Civil Servants fund each others Non-Profits by adding on to spending bills that go through congress. What a scam!

An Example:

A friend of mine got a job in Pheonix because a non-profited needed his wife to come work for them because she basically had the Scientific research licenses and degrees so they could start a specific type of research department. He told her he wasn't moving, cause he liked his current job in another State. All of a sudden one of the largest Engineering Companies in Arizona calls and offers him a job. So she goes back for a forth job interview and brings him along. He goes to the interview, which he said they mostly talked sports! As the are shooting the breeze the Vice President in charge of the office came in told my bud that even thou he had been in charge for 2 - 1/2 years it was the first time the Mayor of Phoenix ever called him. And it was to tell him he had to hire my friend.

My buddy told me that and wondered why that was. I did a quick on-line search. Guess what, the Non-Profit his wife was going to go work for board members were John McCain, The Mayor, AZ Governor, and a few other high level politicians and political figures inside and outside AZ! Geez, wonder if he got hired? The company had contracts with the City and State.

BTW: John McCain, The Mayor, and the Governor all recieve $100,000/yr salaries! And yes that non-profit does get Government Cash! That is just one non-profit! imagine how many our civil servants belong to!
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Politics are not the solution to social problems. The vast majority of politics only deals with the problems caused by politics. YOU are the solution.
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