The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

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Re: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

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It's weird to see how many people watching this show thought the Flag Smashers were straight up bad guys. Like, if Star Wars was made today, one of the proper ones, would people be opposed to the destruction of the Death Star because of the civilian casualties?
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That said the MCU has struggled with this idea of villains who are right and heroes who are wrong a lot. Big example is WandaVision, where Wanda is the de facto villain, she does a very bad thing and she does it to thousands of people. And she gets to walk away from that and then it is explained to her by one of the heroes of the story that it's probably okay. She's the villain, she wins, everybody is like, "This is fine" then the credits roll.

The Flag Smashers are willing to die to stop the GRC from clearing out the refugee camps, and they succeed in doing that at the cost of their lives, so they win. Zemo kills a bunch of super soldiers because he is bigoted against super soldiers, his story ends in a win despite the fact the MCU is full of super soldiers who are heroes and his 'Actually Super Soldiers Are Bad' position is bunk, and is even explained as such in the damn show. The Power Broker gets away with everything and this is okay, barely even glanced at, despite the Flag Smasher super-soldiers having been her hired goon squad from day one.

I'm sure the reactionaries will be outraged for money about something-something political correctness or whatever because somebody mentioned race on the show or poor people broke some laws but there's deeper problems with the show than it's attempts to appear progressive.

Also for the record, whatshername from Veep is a solid contender for being the biggest casting misstep in the MCU so far. She's meant to be commanding the sort of gravitas of Jackson as Nick Fury but she's not intimidating, she's not funny, she's not convincing in any way shape or form. You get Gillian Anderson for that role or you're wasting everybody's time.
Am being a bit too harsh on this really though. This show was never intended to be the main course. This show was intended to run in the background amid a full gamut of MCU movies, coupled to the fact it was knackered by Covid. Folks are hungry for more MCU and all they got is this hotdog with no bun.
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Re: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

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Dogfish wrote: 7 months ago It's weird to see how many people watching this show thought the Flag Smashers were straight up bad guys. Like, if Star Wars was made today, one of the proper ones, would people be opposed to the destruction of the Death Star because of the civilian casualties?
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That said the MCU has struggled with this idea of villains who are right and heroes who are wrong a lot. Big example is WandaVision, where Wanda is the de facto villain, she does a very bad thing and she does it to thousands of people. And she gets to walk away from that and then it is explained to her by one of the heroes of the story that it's probably okay. She's the villain, she wins, everybody is like, "This is fine" then the credits roll.

The Flag Smashers are willing to die to stop the GRC from clearing out the refugee camps, and they succeed in doing that at the cost of their lives, so they win. Zemo kills a bunch of super soldiers because he is bigoted against super soldiers, his story ends in a win despite the fact the MCU is full of super soldiers who are heroes and his 'Actually Super Soldiers Are Bad' position is bunk, and is even explained as such in the damn show. The Power Broker gets away with everything and this is okay, barely even glanced at, despite the Flag Smasher super-soldiers having been her hired goon squad from day one.

I'm sure the reactionaries will be outraged for money about something-something political correctness or whatever because somebody mentioned race on the show or poor people broke some laws but there's deeper problems with the show than it's attempts to appear progressive.

Also for the record, whatshername from Veep is a solid contender for being the biggest casting misstep in the MCU so far. She's meant to be commanding the sort of gravitas of Jackson as Nick Fury but she's not intimidating, she's not funny, she's not convincing in any way shape or form. You get Gillian Anderson for that role or you're wasting everybody's time.
Am being a bit too harsh on this really though. This show was never intended to be the main course. This show was intended to run in the background amid a full gamut of MCU movies, coupled to the fact it was knackered by Covid. Folks are hungry for more MCU and all they got is this hotdog with no bun.

I think that's part of the reason a lot of people didn't like Rogue One, it showed the ugly underbelly of the rebellion that many people were just blissfully ignorant of originally. I still remember in the Star Wars expanded universe novels they spend several books going over how Luke felt guilty when he found out about the number of people who were on the Death Star that he took out in a New Hope. The guy(his name escapes me because the movie was so bad) in The Last Jedi also brought that fact up to Rose Tico when he revealed the Resistance purchased their weapons and X-wings, etc. from gangsters and crime lords, etc. just like the First Order did.
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