Crisis on Infinite Earths Crossover [Supergirl, Batwoman, Flash, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrrow, Black Lightning]

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It's about time that we a have a topic on the BIG crossover! 6 shows present their heroes in 5 episodes:

Supergirl, Dec 8
Batwoman, Dec 9
The Flash, Dec 10
.....nail-biting, 5 weeks cliffhanger!.....
Arrow, Jan 14
Legends of Tomorrow, Jan 14
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We have a first teaser-trailer, with a lot of ......teasers in it! It's just like a matryoshka doll: :hmmm:



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Never have seen a title screen so often like in this one..... but I like all the teasing in these snippets :yes:
Bring it on! :yahoo:
I'm looking forward in great anticipation to this one! Especially for Batwoman and all the big changes it brings to the Arrowverse.
The Arrow might not be the only one who ....
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And here is my rough "Re-cut" of the teaser, without the returning title screen and without AD:


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I still have the weird/bad feeling that it might
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hit another "big" one.... Flash or Supergirl.
Flash has the best ratings on the the CW which leaves.....
That would made a huge IMPACT on the arrowverse and the fans!
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This trailer is all about Lyla Michaels finally becoming Harbinger.
The Monitor probably transforms her the way he does in the Crisis comics.
The same actor (LaMonica Garrett) is also going to play the Anti-Monitor in a different costume.

Brandon Routh in his old guise as Superman.

It doesn't look good for the chances of Thunder and Lightning being in it. Hope I'm wrong.

Seems like a terrible idea for the network to separate the crossover segments with the Christmas break.
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Some promo pictures in a video....but PLEASE turn off the speakers before you watch it!
Otherwise your health is in danger..... ;)

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Here is the poster:

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Seems like Batwoman got the best spot! :-)
But weird that they used that old promo picture of her....she doesn't even have that cowl anymore.
She has a new cowl since episode 3, the one from this poster was only seen in the last years crossover (and some promos).
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And here is the synopsis for the first three episodes (with some spoilers):

https://supergirl.tv/crisis-on-infinite ... 3-synopses
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And also see official promo pictures of episodes 1-3 of the crossover:

http://www.ksitetv.com/crisis-on-infini ... re/199767/

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Well, last years crossover was already big, but THIS one takes it to a whole new level!
So thrilled to see what will happen to the Arrowverse!

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A new teaser:

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I am expecting my opinion to be very unpopular. I know what I am getting myself into. You may be annoyed if you are fan of Batwoman or Arrow.

My opinion is from a logical point of view. I am not considering the actual reason due to producers want want this for promotional purposes.

It is illogical to ask Batwoman and Arrow to help in Crisis. Why are characters such as Batwoman and Arrow in Crisis? They don't have superpowers to successfully resolve the conflict if Supergirl, Flash, Superman, and other beings with superpowers are defeated and killed in battle. Batwoman and Arrow are useless in this situation from this point of view.

I understand Batwoman and Arrow are in Crisis because they are DC characters and have TV shows. However, that does not mean it makes sense for logical point of view about the story. Would you bring a 125 pound fighter to a box matching against a 250 pound fighter? No. It would be like Batman fighting Superman without any kryptonite. Superman would easily win.
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Arrow is in there because he agreed to be Monitor's errand boy to save Supergirl and Flash last season in the Crossover.

Batwoman's there because they don't have a Batman show. They are using Batman Beyond's Batman so someone smart is in it even if he's a grumpy old white guy.

Logic has nothing to do with who is in the show. They tried to get some actors from previous DC shows and movies just to have them.
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I am expecting my opinion to be very unpopular. I know what I am getting myself into. You may be annoyed if you are fan of Batwoman or Arrow.
And of course I have to reply to that ;-)
First of all it is a comic crossover. Not need for too much realism.
And yeah, heroes with superpowers are in general "stronger" than heroes without.
But strength comes in numbers too, so they more heroes the better. So they have better chances to master this crisis.
And you forgot, many the Legends of Tomorrow don't have (real) superpowers either (like their leader...white canary), some of them are "only" good at fighting or have cool weapons (for ex.: Mick). And the folks with superpowers often have weaknesses that the normal ones don't have (like kryptonite).
And after all ....heroes without superpowers are so much cooler :hmmm: .....in my opinion.
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The final trailer is here:



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I know that it is a challenge to write a story or even a scene where you have different heroes/heroines and want to do each of them justice. Superman/Supergirl types are top tier unbeatable gods with a broad power set and heaps of invincibility about them. And yet they are written into tales with lesser types, often humans or augmented humans or one-trick-ponies which only have one epic power and not much more about them. I suspect the best way to deal with it is try and create a rock-paper-scissors kind of fight and ensure that each hero(ine) has an opportunity to shine. I know Batwoman for example is being picked on here - and if I were a "super" type I would try and eliminate her from the off - you know, just to be sure, but there is scope for these characters to shine in a believable way provided the scenario is well written.
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So for special guest stars, we have:
  • Kevin Conroy as Bruce Wayne from either Batman Beyond, or Kingdom Come.
  • John Wesley Shipp as Barry Allen/The Flash from The Flash (1990)
  • Tyler Hoechlin as Clark Kent/Superman from Supergirl
  • Elizabeth Tulloch as Lois Lane from Supergirl
  • Tom Welling as Clark Kent/Superman from Smallville (2001)?
  • Erica Durance as Lois Lane from Smallville (2001)?
  • Brandon Routh as Superman from Kingdom Come/Superman Returns (2006)?
  • Audrey Marie Anderson as Harbinger
  • LaMonica Garrett as The Monitor/The Anti-Monitor
  • Tom Cavanagh as Pariah (and possibly Harrison Wells?)
  • Ashley Scott as Helena Kyle/Huntress from Birds of Prey (2002)
  • Burt Ward, character unknown
  • Jon Cryer as Lex Luthor from Supergirl
  • Osric Chau as Ryan Choi
Lynda Carter was touted as a possible guest star at one point, not sure if that actually happened.
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
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Alex Danvers from Supergirl introducing current girl friend,Kelly Olsen from Supergirl, to one night stand Sara Lance from Legends of Tomorrow.
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
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Yes, massively disturbing stuff. Kristin Kreuk was also somewhat involved with the cult before allegations of wrongdoing came to light. She managed to exit the organization upon learning some of the unsavory behaviors.
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I wish that Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher (from Lois and Clark) could have been on this crossover.
Dean Cain is kind of politically incorrect these days - maybe that's why they didn't ask him (really just speculating).

Especially excited about Ashley Scott and Erica Durance.
I wasn't a huge watcher of Smallville but I remember an episode where Erica (Lois) transforms into Mighty Isis, and she was so breathtakingly beautiful.

Speaking of Smallville, I wish they could have brought back Laura Vandervoort, if not as a different Earth's Supergirl, then as some other character.
I know she played Indigo early on in the Supergirl series but she was all made up in blue and you couldn't really recognize her as the actress so much.
Laura was at our most recent Steel City Con, by the way, and she looked great.

I noticed that on the poster, Cisco is shown using his powers? I thought that he was no longer Vibe. Guess that means he gets his powers back?

Plus - there is no Black Lightning episode on the list, of course. Looks like Jefferson Pierce will appear on the Crisis episode which
kicks off Season 5 of Legends. Looking forward to the new Legends season as it's wildly goofy - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
but there's usually something enjoyable happening.

Ryan Choi is another version of The Atom.
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
This sounds like a great Supergirl peril story, Chloe meets Supergirl and somehow brainwashes her to become part of the cult.
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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bushwackerbob wrote:
4 years ago
batgirl1969 wrote:
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
This sounds like a great Supergirl peril story, Chloe meets Supergirl and somehow brainwashes her to become part of the cult.
yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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batgirl1969 wrote:
4 years ago
bushwackerbob wrote:
4 years ago
batgirl1969 wrote:
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Too bad we can't get Chloe...Allison Mack from Smallville back, she was so cute!!! I bet she would love Melissa Benoist!!
Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
This sounds like a great Supergirl peril story, Chloe meets Supergirl and somehow brainwashes her to become part of the cult.
yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
This sounds like a wonderful story idea and you two need to collaborate on it now!!
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DrDominator9 wrote:
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Yeah, Allison Mack is a little occupied at the moment. She was arrested in 2018 on sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy charges in conjunction with a cult. Mack plead guilty to racketeering charges and is awaiting sentencing.
so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
This sounds like a great Supergirl peril story, Chloe meets Supergirl and somehow brainwashes her to become part of the cult.
yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
This sounds like a wonderful story idea and you two need to collaborate on it now!!
I LIVE to see Supergirl made into a cum junkie sex fiend....that sweet blonde begging for orgasms like some crackhead looking for their next high...fucking or sucking anything she can to satisfy the BIG O cravings....always looking for something more...someone or some thing bigger to break hernor stretch out her imperviously tight bald/blonde snatch!!
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batgirl1969 wrote:
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so I am sure she is a very popular girl in prison getting more than her fair share of lesbian loving!! maybe even MORE reason to have her meet MB!!!
This sounds like a great Supergirl peril story, Chloe meets Supergirl and somehow brainwashes her to become part of the cult.
yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
This sounds like a wonderful story idea and you two need to collaborate on it now!!
I LIVE to see Supergirl made into a cum junkie sex fiend....that sweet blonde begging for orgasms like some crackhead looking for their next high...fucking or sucking anything she can to satisfy the BIG O cravings....always looking for something more...someone or some thing bigger to break hernor stretch out her imperviously tight bald/blonde snatch!!
First things first though, we must free Supergirl from that new god awful, hideous costume! For the good of humanity of course. Maybe leave on the boots?
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The final trailer is here:



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Cool. Looks to be a lot of fun. Supermans, Batman, Flash, etc...
Wonder Woman is glaringly missing for me.

Been watching Arrow and Flash on tuesdays, their episodes have been preparing for crisis. I'm guessing Supergirl and Batwoman haven't been, altho I've not been watching since maybe first 2 to 3 episodes, so I dunno. Well, now they get to be part of it, and their worlds should be destroyed, but their characters and shows should come back living on Arrowverse Earth (whatever number that is), with way better writers and story. And for Supergirl: miniskirt and open midsection. She's had her exhilaration experience over pants, now it should be our turn!

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yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
What the hell is going on inside your twisted mind :crazy: :laugh:
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yes I agree!! that would be amazing! Have Chloe slowly seduce her Nd weaken her with kryptonite enough so they brand her with the cult's brand and then introduce her as the newest slave! hopefully letting her first sexual encounter be with 2 huge black men!
What the hell is going on inside your twisted mind :crazy: :laugh:
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Well that was... slapdash...

On the bright side, the Justice League movie now seems better paced, with better effects and a more coherent storyline.
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There was a lot of build up about this huge crossover event but it felt like they were trying to get so much done in it that none of it mattered that much. Seriously, they had some decent interpersonal moments but they were pretty weak compared to the devastation that was supposedly taking place. One is reminded of the explosion of Alderan in the first Star Wars movie and Princess Leia's reaction.
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I watched it. I don't know why I keep doing this to myself. Possibly the worst 44 minutes of television ever produced. The only instant in the entire show that had any impact was Caity Lotz's reaction to Green Arrow's big moment at the end. Why are any of us supposed to be impressed with the silly, wildly overused gimmick of casting cameos with former superhero actors? Where's the value of seeing a morbidly obese Burt Ward waddle down the street and say a line? The steaming pile of absurdities that passed for a plot were coming so fast you couldn't digest just how stupid one thing was before it was overshadowed by something even more stupid. If I started listing the stupidities I'd be typing for hours. They've been building up to this for a year, and this is what they offer? How does expensive garbage like this get green-lit?
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How does expensive garbage like this get green-lit?
Because the previous Crossovers weren't this bad and way better than most of the regular episodes. They got Marv Wolfman from the DC Comics to write.

Overall this was pretty badly written considering who they had working on it. It reminds me, "If you steal from one source, it's plagiarism, but if you steal from many sources, it's research." Calling them homages didn't help because nostalgia doesn't make up for stupidity.
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but the big question here is ...who is sexier in costume, Supergirl or Batwoman????
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.... Possibly the worst 44 minutes of television ever produced. ....
Yes, out of ......quadrilion minutes of TV.....these 44 were the worst. :hmmm: :giggle:
Well, not really a suprise that you don't like it considering your history with the Arrowverse (from some snippets I read) but come on, it was the just first 20% of the crisis.
The plotline was only teased so far, no need to go off the rails like that. ;) .
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Well, like in most movies/shows with so many heroes there wasn't much time for most of them. Of course the Supergirl cast got the most screentime since it was the Supergirl episode.
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I was extremely surprised that the Arrow already died (seemingly?) in this one! I thought of it happening in episode 3 (as a cliffhanger/dramatic ending before the break) or in episode 5. A little weird that his final fight wasn't shown.....
And that was only the first dead hero, I think that another 2 or 3 will follow the Arrow
I will write a full review in mid january after all 5 episodes have aired. Makes not much sense to do it now.
.....or perhaps a small review after episode 3 in a few days.
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Nope, I'm standing by that. Possibly not the worst in absolute terms, but in "quality per dollar spent" I challenge you to come up with something worse. It was terrible, terrible TV. As for the Arrowverse, I enjoyed the first couple seasons of all the shows, despite the writing shortcomings. It doesn't have to be Shakespeare to be entertaining and I have no issue with overlooking obvious problems if the shows are fun to watch. But the Arrowverse has taken a precipitous dive in quality lately, particularly Supergirl. This crossover was pathetic. A massive obelisk shoots up out of the ground. The team instantly recognizes it as technology to combat the coming energy wave. Then they learn it was placed there at the beginning of time, just for this purpose. A mechanical, buried building. Since the beginning of time. And it just happened to be right outside their window. And solar powered to the degree that one panel could absorb the full intensity of two Kryptonian's heat vision, which they were instantly able to recognize. And after depleting themselves to the point of falling from the sky, they both instantly had their powers back, when previously it has taken days to recover them. That's one minute of the show. Stupidity layered on stupidity, and covered with a thick coating of more stupidity.
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Nope, I'm standing by that. Possibly not the worst in absolute terms, but in "quality per dollar spent" I challenge you to come up with something worse. It was terrible, terrible TV. As for the Arrowverse, I enjoyed the first couple seasons of all the shows, despite the writing shortcomings. It doesn't have to be Shakespeare to be entertaining and I have no issue with overlooking obvious problems if the shows are fun to watch. But the Arrowverse has taken a precipitous dive in quality lately, particularly Supergirl. This crossover was pathetic. A massive obelisk shoots up out of the ground. The team instantly recognizes it as technology to combat the coming energy wave. Then they learn it was placed there at the beginning of time, just for this purpose. A mechanical, buried building. Since the beginning of time. And it just happened to be right outside their window. And solar powered to the degree that one panel could absorb the full intensity of two Kryptonian's heat vision, which they were instantly able to recognize. And after depleting themselves to the point of falling from the sky, they both instantly had their powers back, when previously it has taken days to recover them. That's one minute of the show. Stupidity layered on stupidity, and covered with a thick coating of more stupidity.
Well, then I'm curious if you will see the other 4 parts of the crossover, this was just episode 1 of 5.
And about that tower, well, it's a fantasy world with and this is a building left there by some superior culture....so I question only very little from that you did. ;)
Yeah, they recharged very quickly indeed. Perhaps the red sky did that...perhaps the developed ways to do it quicker....perhaps there is new tech in their suit....perhaps....perhaps....perhaps.
I rather find it interesting that Supergirl could....DO it longer (hold the heat vision)......than Superman. That will get some trolls out of there caves in rage :lol:
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Well, they do have that other Arrow from the other earth they can go back and recruit since it seems so easy to traverse multiverses. Maybe they can get more from even more earths. They can go grab a team of Arrows, and one of them can live to be Arrow in the new Arrow series, and the daughter can go "Damn it! I thought I was gonna be the new Arrow!"
I like the cameos idea. I like all the superheros all together in a series of episodes as a visual thing. That novelty works for me. But no novelty in the writing. That writing sucks in Berlanti shows (with very occasional exceptions) is pretty much a given. Even so, I was disappointed there wasn't a Batwoman show the hour after. Instead I've never seen a worse interview type follow up show in my life I don't think. Well, I didn't watch the whole thing, and I surfed other things during the time I left it on, but based on what I saw I can guess the whole thing was awful. :hq:

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From Bert:

"And after depleting themselves to the point of falling from the sky, they both instantly had their powers back, when previously it has taken days to recover them."

I couldn't agree more about this aspect being instantly against the canon they'd established earlier in this series. If they drain themselves to that extent, they lose their powers and no, they don't get them back in under a minute! Also, naturally it's Superman who has to fade first since clearly you can't have Supergirl seem less powerful than he does. I cursed at the screen after that sequence.
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Nope, I'm standing by that. Possibly not the worst in absolute terms, but in "quality per dollar spent" I challenge you to come up with something worse. It was terrible, terrible TV. As for the Arrowverse, I enjoyed the first couple seasons of all the shows, despite the writing shortcomings. It doesn't have to be Shakespeare to be entertaining and I have no issue with overlooking obvious problems if the shows are fun to watch. But the Arrowverse has taken a precipitous dive in quality lately, particularly Supergirl. This crossover was pathetic. A massive obelisk shoots up out of the ground. The team instantly recognizes it as technology to combat the coming energy wave. Then they learn it was placed there at the beginning of time, just for this purpose. A mechanical, buried building. Since the beginning of time. And it just happened to be right outside their window. And solar powered to the degree that one panel could absorb the full intensity of two Kryptonian's heat vision, which they were instantly able to recognize. And after depleting themselves to the point of falling from the sky, they both instantly had their powers back, when previously it has taken days to recover them. That's one minute of the show. Stupidity layered on stupidity, and covered with a thick coating of more stupidity.
Lets be honest the writing for Supergirl season 5 has been lazy and inconsistent from the start of the season 5 premier. It seemed like the reason they gave for the costume change was just a shredded cape. We saw in the pilot episode that she just needed a new cape but maybe I missed something. Still its strange that Maxwell Lord and Lex Luther could replicate Supergirls costume and she couldn't.
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Better dialogue:

"You had me at beer." - Mick Rory

Still a lousy show with weak scenes and taken from bad comics. Maybe next year they'll retcon this season from existence. It's sad when the best parts were Lex Luthor killing Superman in every universe and Mick babysitting Jonathon Kent using his novel as bedtime stories.
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The writers truly do not care - about continuity, about consistency or about logic. They have a particular need for a scene, so they just write whatever to accomplish that need. They want to focus on Lena holding her grudge so they set up Alex offering her a helpful suggestion, only to be still be treated badly later. Never mind that Lena is the world's smartest scientist and Alex is an active law enforcement agent, Alex just offers up the brilliant solution that Lena hasn't thought of. How convenient. The world is literally about to end and the two most powerful characters in the world are strolling around with nothing to do, having a heart to heart about touchy feely stuff. Turns out Supergirl's perkiness is contagious! Awww!
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Alex making her suggestion makes even less sense since her major in college was in biology in order to be a medical scientist like her parents. Now if it had been Briany or J'onn it would have worked.
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Haven't been able to catch Part 2 yet because as of now, it's still not up on the CW site, but here are thoughts on Part 1.

Bert, Dominator and Visitor have already identified a couple of validation / wuvs the science moments, but here is another: Oliver telling Mia Smoak "you deserve this" upon giving her the costume.

Speaking of Mia's costume, what did you think of it? Tight leather, to be sure, and Katherine McNamara is OK to watch, but also completely bland and unmemorable - even more so than any of the Team Arrow costumes..and not even green? This is what is going to carry her as the lead for the "Green Arrow and the Canaries" spinoff?

But let's get to the important stuff :)

Remember the problem I had for several seasons with the Supergirl show where they never showed a single example of what must have been hundreds of spaceships carrying the refugees to Earth? Not to mention not explaining where all of those spaceships are stored? Well, they still haven't explained that, but somehow they were able to pull these ships out of who-knows-where to save a large part of the planet's population.

And I do mean a large part. Somehow, "3 billion" (the Monitor's words, not mine) were spirited away within the time of what could only have been a couple hours and on the very tight cargo space of a few hundred ships? And out of those 3 billion, "1 billion" were saved during the two extra minutes Oliver was fighting the shadow demons? The math and the science just doesn't add up there, no matter how many times you invoke "Galleon's theory".

This is done slapdashedly. As some have said above.

Not to mention that as far I know, they are apparently leaving out Lady Quark, who was one of the three main participants created in the 80s especially for the Crisis along with Harbinger and Pariah. That's not very progressive of the CW.

Ah well. It's free television. Hope they put up Part 2 soon. Apparently it's all about the "Paragons".
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I will post a detailed review about episodes 1-3 of the crossover tomorrow or the the day after.
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For now just this: I really loved the whole evil Batman, Kate and Kara storyline.
Kevin Conroy played him well and delivered a pretty diabolical performance :-)
On a sidenote: I find it pretty ironic that Batwoman doesn't appear at all in the Batwoman episode of the crossover.
I really hope she will return soon in the crossover!
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At least it'll be weeks before there's more of this train wreck. Only a few decent moments and they are far between.
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Actually, I thought that Part 2 of the Crossover was much better than Part 1. It included a touch of humor here and there and somehow didn't feel nearly as frenetic.
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Watched Crisis Aftermath Part 1 with host Kevin Smith. Suggestion: just watch the first segment where Kat McNamara looks way hotter than she
does on the actual show, and is also very expressive and articulate about how she prepared for her Green Arrow Junior role, then skip the rest.

However, if you're into DC lore, it might be interesting to watch this six-minute response by Chuck Dixon to Kevin's comments about him.
Chuck really deserves the views more than the CW does.



Will be absorbing Crisis Part 2 (Batwoman) and probably at least part of the Aftermath Part 2 show as well before the end of the night, and will check back in after that.
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I watched the first episode of Crisis. The poor scene with the battle ruins the experience. The hero's strategy didn't make sense. Why were they inside the building with a few demons while other demons were outside? That's a common sense issue.

The second issue is how the fight scenes were shot. It didn't feel like a fight. We saw heroes dodge nothing. We saw explosions from nothing. The heroes jumped for cover and there was a small explosion with sparks. Nothing was fired at theme. That didn't make sense for a logical point of view, and it was only there to create a flare of false drama for the scene.

The enemy was constantly away from them. A few demons slammed into Oliver, and that was their only type of attack. There was not any hand-to-hand combat.

Some people may complain Superman depleted his powers before Supergirl. They are calling him weak, but I do not have a problem with this scene. It was very logical. Superman has been away from a Yellow Sun for many months and just started regaining his powers. I like the writers showing Superman's weakness of being away from a Yellow Sun for over a year. However, I do not like how Superman and Supergirl were able to recharge very quickly.
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Preparing for a film shoot and leaving for a NYC Comicon so I don't have time right now to elaborate on Crisis Parts 2 and 3. Also watched Crisis Aftermath Part 2 and the Black Lightning "Earth Crisis" episode so I'm all caught up. But there's going to have to be a major return of most of the characters who have been Thanos'd, because otherwise there won't be any CW superhero TV shows left! So we'll just have to see how that transpires.

Favorite little Easter Egg is how Ryan Choi's daughter (he never had one in the comics) is named "Simone" after the character's creator Gail Simone.

But if you want a breakdown, you can watch Ya Boi Zack. Or don't.

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I've never heard of Ya Boi Zack, but this was a fun listen. I love that he was flabbergasted by how awful the crossover is. And he's right, the first couple seasons of Arrow and Flash and even Legends were pretty good. Sadly, it's all just crap now. Even if you put your brain in park, you still can't stomach how terrible the writing is. I'm a little more forgiving on the acting talent than Zach, I actually enjoy Jon Cryer's Lex and I appreciate Melissa's take on Supergirl, but the storytelling is so bad it just spoils everything.
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Time for some LOVE for the Crossover! :hmmm:

-Parts 1-3 of the Crisis Crossover-

“General”:
The big Crossover has finally arrived and the battle of the Multiverse has started. What will happen to all this worlds? And who will die to save the Mutliverse?
I have now seen the first 3 episodes from the Crisis Crossover and wanna review them in one post here. After the last 2 episodes have aired on January 14....I will edit this post so that it will be my review of the complete Crossover.

My highlights from these episodes (parts 1-3)...without any special order:
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1 – The cameos! For me it was especially great to see Kevin Conroy as an old, -turned evil- Batman...and Ashley Scott as Huntress! Tom Welling ("Smallville"), Burt Ward (Robin), Wil Wheaton and Robert Wuhl (Alexander Knox in the old Batman movies) were also great additions.
2 – All these heroes teaming up! There were already Crossovers in the past, but nothing of this scale! Great to see how they interact with each other, especially Batwoman/Kate with Kara and Lex.
3 – Unexpected twists! Well, the fact that Oliver would die in the Crisis wasn't a surprise, but that he sacrificed himself at the end of part 1 was a BIG surprise. Also that they tried to get him resurrected and failed with that.
4 – Crossover jokes! And I mean the jokes ABOUT the crossover. Like: "Ignore him, that is his first Crossover!" :-)
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Ok, first of all, in general I prefer heroes without superpowers and heroes that doesn't have a big team around them. Like Arrow in the early seasons.
But once in while it's enjoyable for me to have such a BIG team-fight event like this one. And this one is the biggest one I witnessed/will witness (part 4+5)... on TV so far.
I do NOT know the comic Crisis on Infinite Earths. And I won't read it now because of the possible spoilers. So I don't have a clue how close this TV crossover is to the the comics.
And now some unsorted thoughts on parts 1-3:
-- Some of the camera work was outstanding (below normal) for me, especially in the fight scenes with the shadow demons....really cool camera tracking as the camera moves swiftly around the heroes.
-- Oliver's end was itself very unspectacular since it wasn't shown, some of these demons hit him.....he runs out of ammo and starts to run toward them....cut. The rest has to come from the imagination. His last moments with the other heroes was done really well, even it could be more emotional for me as I thought, maybe he comes back, gets resurrected by someone...there are quite some possibilties. After all the death in the Arrowverse isn't often as "final" as it normally is. ;-)
-- The jokes were quite good for most of the times! Only in one case I rolled with my eyes...as the crying baby interrupted the speech from the monitor for several times....
-- In the fight with the demons you could easily spot (at one point) one of the stuntdoubles for Batwoman, even with the mask on ...as she jumps around in one take.
-- The scene were Batwoman unmasks herself before the other heroes was very interesting for me! Batwoman started with a major mistake by calling Supergirl "Kara", not a move without risk to call a hero by her real name like that in fornt of a big audience. The unmasking was the usual cheating method with magically disapearing eye paint and the cowl was already off as they showed Batwoman transforming into Kate. I don't think you can pull off that cowl as easy as it looked.
-- The talk between the 2046 version of Oliver and Sara was very important to show his importance and give him a proper goodbye. Really like the dialogue between them
-- Kate and Kara have some great scenes in these parts. Their visit to evil Batman Kevin Conroy was my personal highlight so far. He really showed how a hero can go completely off the rails and becomes one the monsters he was fighting against all the time. The mansion had a great atmosphere.
-- It was nice to see Mia's new Arrow costume! I really hope it comes with a mask in the new show, even she hadn't one so far.
-- The "sixpack"-version of Luke was an interesting contrast to the tech-nerd Luke from the Batwoman show
-- Also really liked the scenes between Kate and Lex. Best moment: "Lex: and you are? -- Kate: new, and unfriendly!" :-)
-- As much as I enjoyed to see Ashley Scott as Huntress again...her scene was so short and due to the red/orange skies, you couldn't get a really good look at her.
-- It seems like Black Lightning is now offically introduced into the Arrowverse, that was about time!
-- I really like the score in this one. Some above average tracks especially when it comes to Oliver and Batman's mansion.
-- I hope that there will be more good action scenes in the other 2 parts. The fight with the SupermEn was unspectacular, but ok for TV. The fight with the demon was nice, but they were just random CGI monster which just fly into someone as a attack...not SO interesting. Looking forward to the fight with the Anti-monitor and hopefully some powerful allies(?).
-- The scenes with Kate and Kara and the Kryptonite were good. I liked how Kate stopped Kara from using the book and thereby maybe sealing the fate of everyone.
The fact that Kate still has the Kryptonite....could be nice hint for a possible conflict between them in the future! Batman and Superman had their problems with each other sometimes....why shouldn't it be different between Batwoman and Supergirl. Although I think that Kara's and Kate's bond is VERY strong.
-- At the end of part 3 it seems that all efforts were pretty much for nothing. Oliver sacrificed himself to rescue people who were killed some hours later as the wave destroyed their new home planet.
----> After seeing the 3 parts and the trailer for the last 2 my main question is how the Crossover will really affect the Arrowverse!
For example Black Lighting: His family and all he knows is dead now! His TV show couldn't really go on after that. So, I believe that a lot of the bad things that happened so far ...will be reversed somehow. Some of the heroes have died already and will die in the other 2 episodes. I don't expect one of the "big" heroes to die, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if a certain character would die to save the Multiverse.
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>>> Rating “General:” <<<
Will rate it after all 5 parts...doesn't make any sense to do it now....
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OK, I endured the first three parts to the CoIE crossover, and even watched parts of Kevin Smith's nerd-gasm, post-episode shows. I know he had a heart attack and all, but I think he lost some of his mojo when he lost his weight!
Now, I'm a big time Supergirl fan, and this season and last have been major disappointments. Now, I was hoping this crossover would help bring Kara back to me. Part 2 did, but honestly-PART THREE?!
This is the DCU, not the pre-Iron Man Marvel Universe, the thinking fan's universe. Why do I say this? Marvel has heroes, but the DCU has SUPERHEROES! Their foes need to use brains and creativity to imperil the good guys. Instead, I'm getting a bull in the china shop feel to the plot.
Also, it's not good when the head honcho for the crossover, in the post-episode show on Tuesday, (sorry, can't find the spoiler button, so this is a brief comment)refers to using a McGuffin to solve the problems our heroes face. With hundreds of heroes(and villains) at their beck and call, they need a McGuffin to solve the multiverse's problems?! Sigh. I think they went a little cheap on casting which, is silly considering how hyped this event was!
Wish I could say more, but that spoiler button is hiding on me today.

My 2 cents.
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