Are people taking racial changes too seriously?

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It has become common place for some fans of superheroines to complain about racial changes. We have seen many complaints about Jimmy Olsen from Supergirl. Some critics complained about Gal Gadot's casting as Wonder Women when DC revealed her as their new Wonder Woman. Now people are complaining about Zoe Kravitz being a black woman to play Catwoman. It is an interesting trend. I don't see these complaints ending soon until writers create original characters for racial minorities.

I personally would not be offended with a white guy played Cyborg or a white woman plays a White African Storm.These are fictional characters. It's not like a historical figure is being misrepresented. Fictional characters can be changed in new stories. It is up to the artist to make that decision.

Here we are discussing the artist. At what point can artist freely make good or bad decisions? Artist should be free to express their ideas and opinions without someone wanting to force him or her to represent or not represent a particular group. An artist shouldn't feel pressure to change his or her image to please a group who do not want a race in a film or a group that demands a race to be in the film.

Do people realize what they are saying? Saying a person cannot play a character because of their race is saying people from that race should not be hired for this job. It's banning a race o playing a fictional characters. It could have major impact on a new actor in the business.

I asked this question to a friend of mine. I wanted to be the green ranger when I was a kid. I thought Tommy was the coolest and toughest guy in the Power Rangers. Power Rangers rule! Would you have told me as a black kid that could not be the green ranger because I'm black? Would you tell a Hispanic kid that he can't be Captain America because he's not white? Most people would say no.

Let's look at SHIP!

I have seen a few Hispanic women play Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl. Melissa Moore has played Wonder Girl in two videos. I have also seen Coco play Supergirl a traditional white woman. I never read any complaints from people about these racial changes in SHIP. I've never seen a black model play a role as Supergirl or one of her clones. I do not know how some folks in the SHIP community would react.

These are fictional characters at the end of the day. Are people becoming too heated over these changes to fictional characters? Would I like certain groups represented in media? Sure, I would love to see more representation. Would I not want to see a person play a fictional characters because of the actors race? I don't know what everyone's answer is.
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I mean, you're talking about a community that loses its shit if someone has a centimetre cut off their hair, so depressingly unsurprising that they go into meltdown if they've been coloured in using the wrong crayon
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Interestingly enough, two black women have already played Catwoman.

Eartha Kitt and Halle Berry.

Halle Berry's Catwoman movie was horrible, but it wasn't her fault.

I didn't care that Eartha was black, I cared that she wasn't Julie Newmar! Julie was stunning. Eartha, not so much, not to me anyway.

Who complained about Gal Gadot? Anti-semitics cause she was jewish, and people who saw her as too supermodel thin. And their idiocy was shown when she crushed it. :ww1:

Zoe will be fine as Catwoman, long as the movie is good, written well, directed well. It's DC tho, chances are 50/50. :joker:

Had they cast asian actress Jessica Henwick to play CW's Supergirl (even tho she'd probably be really good), I would've been disappointed. However, if they were to have her now play Supergirl from an alternate universe on CW's Supergirl, and then spin her off into a new show of her alternate universe, I'd go with it: russian Jimmie Olsen, black Lex Luthor, indian Lois Lane, latin Lana Lang, vulcan Perry White :), etc. Well, maybe not on the CW, the CW writers would so suck at writing that show.

Same thing for the Supergirl movie if that ever comes. At least one of the upcoming Supergirl movies, and I'd say the first one, needs to be authentic to the original, blonde caucasian character. After that, I look forward to the alternate universe Supergirl movie starring Beyonce. Explore the multi-verse.

Also I would've been really disappointed if they had cast John Cena to play Luke Cage on Netflix, or Daniel Radcliffe to play Black Panther in the movie, and set Wakanda in Canada.
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I dont think it was a racial thing with Gadot more that she lacked the physicality that lead people to be against her (myself included, and i know you think of me as a biased racist liar but it was purely her lack of boobs on my part)

And for the previous poster its not idiocy to say a model looks too much like a model its valid opinion, ya know her being a model and all. :giggle:
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Interestingly enough, two black women have already played Catwoman.

Eartha Kitt and Halle Berry.

Halle Berry's Catwoman movie was horrible, but it wasn't her fault.

I didn't care that Eartha was black, I cared that she wasn't Julie Newmar! Julie was stunning. Eartha, not so much, not to me anyway.

Who complained about Gal Gadot? Anti-semitics cause she was jewish, and people who saw her as too supermodel thin. And their idiocy was shown when she crushed it. :ww1:

Zoe will be fine as Catwoman, long as the movie is good, written well, directed well. It's DC tho, chances are 50/50. :joker:

Had they cast asian actress Jessica Henwick to play CW's Supergirl (even tho she'd probably be really good), I would've been disappointed. However, if they were to have her now play Supergirl from an alternate universe on CW's Supergirl, and then spin her off into a new show of her alternate universe, I'd go with it: russian Jimmie Olsen, black Lex Luthor, indian Lois Lane, latin Lana Lang, vulcan Perry White :), etc. Well, maybe not on the CW, the CW writers would so suck at writing that show.

Same thing for the Supergirl movie if that ever comes. At least one of the upcoming Supergirl movies, and I'd say the first one, needs to be authentic to the original, blonde caucasian character. After that, I look forward to the alternate universe Supergirl movie starring Beyonce. Explore the multi-verse.

Also I would've been really disappointed if they had cast John Cena to play Luke Cage on Netflix, or Daniel Radcliffe to play Black Panther in the movie, and set Wakanda in Canada.
There were people who complained about Gadot not only because she was Jewish, but is Israeli

And speaking as a Jew we suffer more discrimination in the world than anyone else.

I think the problem is when it done for the sake of wokeness and no criticsm is allowed.

Will smith is a great actor, but sorry it made no sense for an African American to play James West for that time period.

The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
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I just want the best actor or actress possible regardless of race, so when I hear that producers are only looking for race A, B, or C for a role, then I roll my eyes and lament that they are not casting a wide enough net. When I heard they were considering casting a Black James Bond, it felt like someone was trying to teach me a lesson in diversity, but when I heard that Idris Elba, a Black man was being considered, I thought that he would be perfect for the role, that he would be awesome, that he would be an inspired choice. To me it is all about the talent of a particular actor, and whether he would measure up to a particular role regardless of race. When you start adding other aspects in regards to casting a role other than talent and suitability for a potential role then you are doing the potential film and the fan base a disservice.
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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I just want the best actor or actress possible regardless of race, so when I hear that producers are only looking for race A, B, or C for a role, then I roll my eyes and lament that they are not casting a wide enough net.
Well, in some cases, race does matter. Like when casting the lead and other roles for '12 Years a Slave' for instance. Sometimes a movie requires a certain race actor play a certain role. Often it doesn't tho.

For casting Catwoman: race was not a factor.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/the- ... 203302757/
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I am just a jewish girl from the big city. I LOVE all ethnicities...variety is the spice of life friends!!! I just experienced a chinese girl on her travels to the U.S. and it was an amazing thing!!! I actually prefer Kitt as my favorite catwoman...so hopefully Zoe will be as kinky, sexy and playful as Catwomans dressed to kill Kitt was!!
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YES.

Comic book history is not actual history.

Comic book characters, and James Bond, do not occupy the same context as 12 Years a Slave.

Also:

NO.

Human beings can't help taking things "too seriously." I wrote a broad philosophical essay response to this question, until I realized that I was taking too seriously this forum's taking too seriously of random people on the Internet's taking details of adaptations of fiction too seriously.

Racism? Yes, you should take it seriously, but racism is a difficult subject because it's not black and white.
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I think the best example of this situation in reverse is Goku from the Dragon Ball Z movie. Goku is a Saiyan with stereotypical Asian features. A white actor was cast as Goku in the film by Fox. I never heard any complaints of this major change. I remember watching the trailer when I was a kid. I was never offended by the casting of a white actor to play Goku. I didn't like the movie due to the poor writing and horrible changes to the story. Most true fans of the series such as myself dislike the movie for the story.

There was a also a racial change in Ghost in the Shell. However, there were serious complaints about that major change. Of course there weren't any complaints about a white actress in the porno parody (my avatar by the way).

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I dont think it was a racial thing with Gadot more that she lacked the physicality that lead people to be against her (myself included, and i know you think of me as a biased racist liar but it was purely her lack of boobs on my part)

And for the previous poster its not idiocy to say a model looks too much like a model its valid opinion, ya know her being a model and all. :giggle:
There were some complaints that Gadot isn't "white", and grew up Jewish. Some countries refused to air the film due to her being Israeli.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/cul ... -1.5482145
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theScribbler wrote:
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bushwackerbob wrote:
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I just want the best actor or actress possible regardless of race, so when I hear that producers are only looking for race A, B, or C for a role, then I roll my eyes and lament that they are not casting a wide enough net.
Well, in some cases, race does matter. Like when casting the lead and other roles for '12 Years a Slave' for instance. Sometimes a movie requires a certain race actor play a certain role. Often it doesn't tho.

For casting Catwoman: race was not a factor.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/the- ... 203302757/
Yeah, obviously if you are depicting a historical figure or event, or telling a story about a historical time or place that involves racial identity then of course you must cast racial specific roles with actors who fit the corresponding ethnicity or race. Years from now, when we get the inevitable Trump biopic film, something tells me the title character will not be played by Denzell Washington, although now that I think of it, that choice might be so subversive and outside the box it might possibly work on some level due to Mr. Washington's considerable talents.
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theScribbler wrote:
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
You are being obtuse, Most the ones I criticized are Mary sues

The point is changing a core character sex or race or making the same character a new person from white male is Wokeness at he worst
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Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago
theScribbler wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago

The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
You are being obtuse, Most the ones I criticized are Mary sues

The point is changing a core character sex or race or making the same character a new person from white male is Wokeness at he worst
I don't understand your examples. May you please explain them?

Falcon becoming Captain America is not a changing a character's race. The actor is not being recast as Steve Rogers. He now has the title of Captain America. A title is not the same as a character.

John Stewart is not a recreation of the original Green Lantern. John Steward is an original character and serves as one of many Green Lanterns.

Captain Marvel was originally a guy, and he gave his powers to Brie in the comics. He was basically passing the torch and title of Captain Marvel to Brie.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago
theScribbler wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago

The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
You are being obtuse, Most the ones I criticized are Mary sues

The point is changing a core character sex or race or making the same character a new person from white male is Wokeness at he worst
I don't understand your examples. May you please explain them?

Falcon becoming Captain America is not a changing a character's race. The actor is not being recast as Steve Rogers. He now has the title of Captain America. A title is not the same as a character.

John Stewart is not a recreation of the original Green Lantern. John Steward is an original character and serves as one of many Green Lanterns.

Captain Marvel was originally a guy, and he gave his powers to Brie in the comics. He was basically passing the torch and title of Captain Marvel to Brie.
In the case of Falcon I am not objecting to I think it was well done, same with John Stewart. No one cared that Sisko was black and it was rarely mentioned during DS9. Janeway was never a Mary sue or woke

But in the case of WB Batwoman they have taken minor character in the Batman family who was never Wayne's cousin and gratiously attack men
Captain Marvel a minor character in Marvel has suddenly become major
In the case o Michael Burnham they have put a Mary Sue and have made a black woman, smarter than Spock and his smarter sister, more important than Kirk or Picard in terms of influence.

And I will add the best DR companions never had to do it by demeaning or pussy whipping the docotr the way Calpaldi, smith and to a less extent Tennant was
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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In the case of Falcon I am not objecting to I think it was well done, same with John Stewart. No one cared that Sisko was black and it was rarely mentioned during DS9. Janeway was never a Mary sue or woke

But in the case of WB Batwoman they have taken minor character in the Batman family who was never Wayne's cousin and gratiously attack men
Captain Marvel a minor character in Marvel has suddenly become major
In the case o Michael Burnham they have put a Mary Sue and have made a black woman, smarter than Spock and his smarter sister, more important than Kirk or Picard in terms of influence.

And I will add the best DR companions never had to do it by demeaning or pussy whipping the docotr the way Calpaldi, smith and to a less extent Tennant was
This topic has nothing to do with female characters gaining the spotlight. I don't understand the reason for your comments about Captain Marvel and Batwoman. Neither character has any relations with this subject of racial changes.

I am disturbed by your comments of being angry about a black character being smarter than another character.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote:
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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In the case of Falcon I am not objecting to I think it was well done, same with John Stewart. No one cared that Sisko was black and it was rarely mentioned during DS9. Janeway was never a Mary sue or woke

But in the case of WB Batwoman they have taken minor character in the Batman family who was never Wayne's cousin and gratiously attack men
Captain Marvel a minor character in Marvel has suddenly become major
In the case o Michael Burnham they have put a Mary Sue and have made a black woman, smarter than Spock and his smarter sister, more important than Kirk or Picard in terms of influence.

And I will add the best DR companions never had to do it by demeaning or pussy whipping the docotr the way Calpaldi, smith and to a less extent Tennant was
This topic has nothing to do with female characters gaining the spotlight. I don't understand the reason for your comments about Captain Marvel and Batwoman. Neither character has any relations with this subject of racial changes.

I am disturbed by your comments of being angry about a black character being smarter than another character.
You shouldn't be. Spock was exceptional in the original series and they dumbed him down to make a Mary Sue looked good. Sisko or for that matter LeForge were talented but not made superwoman

BTW when have they had an incompetent female in anything especially sci fi, but male bashing is acceptible.
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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You shouldn't be. Spock was exceptional in the original series and they dumbed him down to make a Mary Sue looked good. Sisko or for that matter LeForge were talented but not made superwoman

BTW when have they had an incompetent female in anything especially sci fi, but male bashing is acceptible.
This topic isn't about sex and gender. It's about racial changes.
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GeekyPornCritic wrote:
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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You shouldn't be. Spock was exceptional in the original series and they dumbed him down to make a Mary Sue looked good. Sisko or for that matter LeForge were talented but not made superwoman

BTW when have they had an incompetent female in anything especially sci fi, but male bashing is acceptible.
This topic isn't about sex and gender. It's about racial changes.
It's part of the same wokeness.
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Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago
theScribbler wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago

The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
You are being obtuse, Most the ones I criticized are Mary sues

The point is changing a core character sex or race or making the same character a new person from white male is Wokeness at he worst
I'm being direct, pointing out your sillyness, by stating the obvious.

You criticized Mary Sues? So what. Did you think you're in a different thread whose subject is Mary Sues?

Wokeness is the awareness of racial injustice and social injustice that the Allied forces had, and the Axis powers didn't. I'm glad wokeness won, and racial and social injustice by the ultra un-woke (to a level beyond utter horridness) lost. We disagree on what worst is.
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theScribbler wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago
theScribbler wrote:
4 years ago
Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago

The change can work if it not thrown in the face as Captain Marvel ,Michael Burnham or Batwoman to demean original fan or their views
Examples where it works:

John Stewart's Green Lantern
ST Sisko and Janeway
Marvel's Falcon taking over the Captain American's mantel with the sheild.
Mr. Terreific becoming black
Nick fury being black
What are you talking about? This is about casting actors that are a different race than the character has been written and drawn as, thus changing race via casting for a movie or series.

Female Captain Marvel has always been white blonde caucasian in comics. So is Brie.
Michael Burnham, wasn't she always black female? Was there a Michael Burnham that was a white man on Star Trek and I missed it?
Batwoman was always a white woman. So is Ruby.
John Stewart's Green Lantern was always black, not to to be confused with the first Green Lantern. But he's not even been cast in a live action movie yet, so what example of it working are you talking about?
Marvel's Falcon taking over for Steve as Captain America, has nothing to do with what this thread is talking about. Falcon has always been black in the comics and movies, taking over for Steve isn't them recasting Anthony Mackie as Steve!
Mr. Terrific I don't know who that is.
Nick Fury race was changed in the comics first, reimagined as black in 2000, so casting Jackson as Fury for 2008 Ironman movie is not a race change for the movie.
You are being obtuse, Most the ones I criticized are Mary sues

The point is changing a core character sex or race or making the same character a new person from white male is Wokeness at he worst
I'm being direct, pointing out your sillyness, by stating the obvious.

You criticized Mary Sues? So what. Did you think you're in a different thread whose subject is Mary Sues?

Wokeness is the awareness of racial injustice and social injustice that the Allied forces had, and the Axis powers didn't. I'm glad wokeness won, and racial and social injustice by the ultra un-woke (to a level beyond utter horridness) lost. We disagree on what worst is.
I responded to the question and you don't like my opinion fine.
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Dazzle1 wrote:
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Dazzle1 wrote:
4 years ago
In the case of Falcon I am not objecting to I think it was well done, same with John Stewart. No one cared that Sisko was black and it was rarely mentioned during DS9. Janeway was never a Mary sue or woke

But in the case of WB Batwoman they have taken minor character in the Batman family who was never Wayne's cousin and gratiously attack men
Captain Marvel a minor character in Marvel has suddenly become major
In the case o Michael Burnham they have put a Mary Sue and have made a black woman, smarter than Spock and his smarter sister, more important than Kirk or Picard in terms of influence.

And I will add the best DR companions never had to do it by demeaning or pussy whipping the docotr the way Calpaldi, smith and to a less extent Tennant was
This topic has nothing to do with female characters gaining the spotlight. I don't understand the reason for your comments about Captain Marvel and Batwoman. Neither character has any relations with this subject of racial changes.

I am disturbed by your comments of being angry about a black character being smarter than another character.
You shouldn't be. Spock was exceptional in the original series and they dumbed him down to make a Mary Sue looked good. Sisko or for that matter LeForge were talented but not made superwoman

BTW when have they had an incompetent female in anything especially sci fi, but male bashing is acceptible.
Burnham fucks up loads in Discovery. The admiral fucks up loads, then died. The security officer fucked up, got torn to bits. The cyborg bridge officer goofed, got killed. Funnily enough when you have enough female characters in the cast of a show that there's a lot of them they can do things like fuck up and it's okay.

The Expanse has the same thing going on, lots of diverse characters, lots more room to share the fuckups around. Also true for the remake of Battlestar Galactica.

Also Sisko wasn't superman? Erm...? He was literally The Emissary Of The Prophets, ultimately becoming effectively a god himself, at one point he destroyed a fleet of thousands of Jem Hadar ships because he's friends with the wormhole aliens, thus saving the entire Alpha Quadrant. He was also a chef, a spy, the Federation's greatest military commander and, oh yeah, the aforementioned turning into a god at the end. Do you even watch these shows?
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