She-ra reboot at Netflix

[lionbadger]

I'm embarrassed for anybody who is so upset about a reboot of a thirty year old cartoon aimed mostly at little girls that they go onto the Youtubes to rage about it.

Is this a holdover from the My Little Pony weirdness a few years back? Do frustrated manchildren now presume that anything aimed at the pre-adolescent female demographic is theirs by right?

Is it really such a tragedy that it won't be possible to masturbate to this new kids cartoon? Are these guys so hard up for porn that their only hope for relief was a remake of She-Ra where she has massive tits?

Getting triggered by a cartoon for little girls. Absolute state of some people. How about let folks watch what they're going to watch?

I also would not have picked this hill to die on

[Dogfish]

Is it really such a tragedy that it won't be possible to masturbate to this new kids cartoon?

You do know what kind of board you're on? Right?

Yeah I know.

Maybe I should have said it like:

Is it really such a tragedy that it won't be possible to masturbate to this new kids cartoon?

Cos I'm sure there are others.

[helstar]

Oh and don't think people will NOT fapp to this. Power Puff Girls ...

Wait, what ? Those people need to be checked for mental problems...

[sugarcoater]

I think a significant concern should be why women aren't being presented as feminine anymore. It seems the concern is that girls aren't mentally strong enough to deal with any feminine sexuality because it will warp their young minds. Or perhaps in allowing for feminine sexuality, males might see females and feel sexual urges (as they have felt for centuries due to biological circumstances).
And it's not as though the 80s cartoons were overtly sexual. If anything, shows like He-Man made men feel somewhat lacking.

[Dogfish]

I think a significant concern should be why women aren't being presented as feminine anymore. It seems the concern is that girls aren't mentally strong enough to deal with any feminine sexuality because it will warp their young minds. Or perhaps in allowing for feminine sexuality, males might see females and feel sexual urges (as they have felt for centuries due to biological circumstances).
And it's not as though the 80s cartoons were overtly sexual. If anything, shows like He-Man made men feel somewhat lacking.

It shouldn't be a concern. Whatever effects cartoons might or might not be having on fragile young minds are negligible against what happens when they grow up a bit, get their hands on an internet capable device, start searching a few words they might have picked up from grownup conversations and then end up cramming more sexual imagery into their brains than anybody born pre WW2 will have seen in their entire lives. If there's a culture bomb ticking it's the everybody can see all the porn now bomb, and it might be a nice bomb, we don't know, we never do, but it makes the design changes to characters in animation look pretty insignificant.

Don't sweat the little things is what I'm saying.

Besides contemporary children's animation is in a golden age right now. The cartoons from the 80s are nothing compared to the new stuff. I mean seriously, go back and watch some 'classic' cartoons from the 80s, then compare it to something like Adventure Time or Steven Universe. The quality of animation, the quality of writing, there's no comparison. People are making actual art, for kids, and it's a great thing.

[Shakeshift]

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[batgirl1969]

Batgirl and O-Girl where my She-Ra of the time....of course an older step brother introduced me to all things geek, berd, cosplay, cartoons, comics and superheroine peril....the 1960's batgirl and ultimately O-girl Andrea Neil in trapped in time...the hogtie scene and the pattern cutter defined me for the rest of my life....I am not surs people of Today have that same potential unless they go back and look at the old stuff...I mean Batgirl was 40 years before my time...

So maybe if a new She-ra came out....people could have it to expose them to superheroines, peril and adventure...it didnt hurt me...I turned out to be a fine adult. Lol

[Femina]

Well my thoughts on the revamp notwithstanding, I've seen more 'revenge sexypics' of She-ra over the past few days than have probably been drawn since 1985.

[sugarcoater]

Well my thoughts on the revamp notwithstanding, I've seen more 'revenge sexypics' of She-ra over the past few days than have probably been drawn since 1985.

Lol, arguably that makes sense as the internet didn't exist in the 80s and most of the 90s. Now such material is ubiquitous.

[Bert]

"I also would not have picked this hill to die on."

That seems a bit extreme, don't you think? It seems to me that this new She-Ra is generating so much controversy because it is condensing a cultural hotspot into something tangible. Even so, speaking out on it hardly qualifies as a hill to die on.

What's happening here is a member of a small minority community has appropriated a character that formerly represented a form of ideal woman for the majority community. She-Ra exists because a very popular male character spurred the creation of a female alternative, much like the Bionic Man led to the Bionic Woman. She-Ra was a beautiful woman with great compassion who was also a mighty warrior. It isn't surprising at all that morphing that character into a younger, more androgynous figure matching the artist's own minority status would create backlash. Understand, neither I nor, I suspect, most if not all people speaking out here have any problem at all with a show centered on a character LIKE the new She-Ra. A fair and tolerant society should not just accept, but celebrate a diverse milieu of characters. The issue is remaking/appropriating an existing symbol of mass culture into a symbol of minority culture. Would there be an outcry if Superman was suddenly morphed into an effeminate teen boy? I'm pretty sure there would be.

[Disciple]

Would there be an outcry if Superman was suddenly morphed into an effeminate teen boy? I'm pretty sure there would be.

Uhhh... yeah, about that...

Really, superheroes run around these rigmaroles all the dang time. Batman went from a Shadow ripoff in the '30s (complete with guns!) to a Bond expy in the '70s to pretty much Dirty Harry in spandex from the '80s on. If enough people like the change, it'll stick. If not... well, she'll probably go into storage another ten, fifteen years before some other imagination-deprived chap gives it a go.

[lionbadger]

I also would not have picked this hill to die on

Teaser released, series released in November

https://nerdist.com/she-ra-reboot-princ ... R%20Teaser

[helstar]

[NickKnight]

Besides contemporary children's animation is in a golden age right now. The cartoons from the 80s are nothing compared to the new stuff. I mean seriously, go back and watch some 'classic' cartoons from the 80s, then compare it to something like Adventure Time or Steven Universe. The quality of animation, the quality of writing, there's no comparison. People are making actual art, for kids, and it's a great thing.

Isn't that the truth on 80's cartoons. Now don't get me wrong, I am a child of the 80's and a lot of my favorite childhood memories are getting up early to watch Saturday Morning cartoons. I still smile when I see old commercials on YouTube for "Saturday on (inserts network name here)". But has anyone actually tried to WATCH those things today? Pick a Saturday Morning Cartoon from the 80's, and cartoon and I dare you to binge watch it from beginning to end and I bet they can't do it, and if so they are drunk on nostalgia, or just plain drunk. That stuff is horrible.

80's cartoons were cheaply animated, rushed productions that almost all of whom existed to sell toys in one way shape or form. Name one cartoon from the 80's and with a few exceptions there is a toy tie-in that it was designed for. I got mad when adults said it when I was a kid, but the truth is they were right, cartoons when I was a kid were 30 minute toy commercials. They were not animated well, they were not written well, and they were not acted well. Yes some odd episodes held up better then others, and weekday afternoon cartoons were slightly better written because they didn't have as many restrictions, but only by comparison and even the ones that kind of were well written was inconsequential in the mind of the people paying for them compared to if they will sell toys. You know why G.I. Joe and Transformers had 50 characters in the background of each episode in the early episodes? Because the toy manufacturer wanted all their toys in every scene... did it make the screen muddled and distract from any actual story the writers were trying to tell? Yes... did anyone making decisions care... no. These were not fine art. It wasn't until the 90's when regulations made them unable to use them as commercials that they truly got good... there is a reason you see cable network show 70's cartoons and 90's and above cartoons but seldom ever 80's cartoons... because no one wants to see them because they don't hold up even for kids.

She-Ra was a cartoon designed to sell toys. Regardless of if someone said "we have to make the costume with shorts because FEMINISMMMMM!!!!!" It doesn't matter. it will still be better written, better acted and with more ambition then the original She-Ra because that is not even remotely hard to do, and anyone in the animation and writing business in 2019 who can't do better then an 80's assembly line low budget cartoon who's creative influence was to sell toys should look for a new career immediately.

Ok end rant and believe it or not I am not trying to hate on 80's cartoons, for what they were they entertained kids at the time and did their job that they were designed to do. But people need to quit acting like people bringing it back are ruining their sacred text.

[ksire_99]

Is Gender Neutral a good thing? yes or no. That is the answer to this little riddle.

[NickKnight]

Not sure how it's gender neutral.. She-Ra in the trailer is pretty clearly a girl.

[shevek]

The show is NOT for k*ds. It's for social justice warriors and their virtue-signaling friends

Check this out, ha ha ha.

[Dogfish]

I heard it's good. Also it's on 68% from audience reviews, which is probably a lot better than it sounds given the propensity of creepy nerds to review bomb things they don't like the sound of.

Not actually watched it myself because, y'know, not intended audience. Am glad it's been well received though.

For a giggle I had a look through the comments on the Rotten Tomatoes thing, and it's hilarious how many middle aged men are disappointed in this remake. Even funnier are the ones complaining that their childhood was ruined. Like, I mean, I'm not going to tell a man in his 30/40s that maybe his childhood should have had something else going on in it besides She-Ra, but damn. I mean really?

[tallyho]

^^^^ You are so heartless and cruel.



You should probably write childrens books.

[shevek]

Sorry about the unintentional double post.

[lionbadger]

I heard it's good. Also it's on 68% from audience reviews, which is probably a lot better than it sounds given the propensity of creepy nerds to review bomb things they don't like the sound of.

I've watched a couple and it seems not bad. The animation style works pretty well and it's more violent than the original, a lot more hitting stuff with a sword which I don't think you were allowed to do on screen in the 80s.

I quite like the sci fi explanation of it and there's even She Ra getting knocked out by a tank blast to the chest.

That said, it's clearly aimed at tweenage age girls (and possibly their mums)

[shevek]

The Umbrella Guy proves that a lot of the "upvoters" for She-Ra on Rotten Tomatoes have created profiles specifically to improve the audience score of that one show and have never posted on Rotten Tomatoes or been members of that site in the past.

[tallyho]

Its the Russians

[Dogfish]

The Umbrella Guy proves that a lot of the "upvoters" for She-Ra on Rotten Tomatoes have created profiles specifically to improve the audience score of that one show and have never posted on Rotten Tomatoes or been members of that site in the past.

Holy fuck the conspiracy goes all the way to the top.



I really think those guys need to take the L and get on with their lives.

[Femina]

I don't even have to watch the videos to see whats going on here. Just have to look at the screencaps and do some pretty brainless number crunching. Read the number of votes. On the first alarmist video it's 100% from critics out of a pool 8 and 0% audience out of like 11 so essentially, a screen cap of the immediate reaction an hour or two after the show was released. HARDLY a valid indication of the shows impact. Later it's still 100% from critics out of a pool of 15, and 75% out of 2000+ audience reviews.

It doesn't take a genius to deduce that a larger polling pool is likely a more accurate accounting than the one taken a few minutes after the webpage was put up... regardless of the 'PC upvotes conspiracy' crowd. There's no way to prove the initial 11 votes weren't a 'dump on the show before it has a chance'-conspiracy any more than the later cap proves there wasn't an upvote the negatives conspiracy....

But hey, if BOTH were conspiracies, it proves which conspiracy is formulated of a larger number of people... and really in society, only the group with the smallest pool of members can accurately be indicated as a conspiracy because if 2000 out of 2011 people agree on one thing, that's just how things are, the other 11 are just turds in the punch bowl who don't want to accept the way things are.

Stop trigger fishing. The shows okay, not great, a little social preachy/pandery here and there (even for me, though I do not consider this a 'conspiracy' just a point of view), but It's actually a LOT more prone to put the characters in legitimate peril than the original show ever did. It was an acceptably entertaining way to spend a few hours.

[lionbadger]

Its the Russians

I heard George Soros is bankrolling this

[shevek]

Its the Russians

I heard George Soros is bankrolling this

No, he's too busy funding the migrant caravan, along with the the Ford Foundation, the MacArthur Foundation and the Carnegie Corporation of New York.

But seriously, Femina: you think it's an OK, not great show with too much preachiness, while I just think the creator is virtue signaling to her colleagues. So we're not that far apart. I'm not going to watch the show because it's "not for me" but also because I don't have Netflix.

So yes, I'm "getting on with my life" and I really just posted Umbrella Guy's video because I thought it was interesting. I also just saw another video by Jeremy from Geeks & Gamers where he points out that the She-Ra rating jumped 6% in just a few days with over 1,000 new reviews (once again, most of whom had never been on Rotten Tomatoes before and most of whom wrote no comments). He compared it to Daredevil, which has been out for a bit longer and still has less reviews than She-Ra does, so the rush of audience reviewers for She-Ra *is*, in fact, a bit unusual.

But if people want to continue posting about She-Ra, go ahead. Might be enlightening to see a few more reviews here. Happy Thanksgiving!

[tallyho]

I don't even have to watch the videos to see whats going on here. Just have to look at the screencaps and do some pretty brainless number crunching. Read the number of votes. On the first alarmist video it's 100% from critics out of a pool 8 and 0% audience out of like 11 so essentially, a screen cap of the immediate reaction an hour or two after the show was released. HARDLY a valid indication of the shows impact. Later it's still 100% from critics out of a pool of 15, and 75% out of 2000+ audience reviews.

It doesn't take a genius to deduce that a larger polling pool is likely a more accurate accounting than the one taken a few minutes after the webpage was put up... regardless of the 'PC upvotes conspiracy' crowd. There's no way to prove the initial 11 votes weren't a 'dump on the show before it has a chance'-conspiracy any more than the later cap proves there wasn't an upvote the negatives conspiracy....

But hey, if BOTH were conspiracies, it proves which conspiracy is formulated of a larger number of people... and really in society, only the group with the smallest pool of members can accurately be indicated as a conspiracy because if 2000 out of 2011 people agree on one thing, that's just how things are, the other 11 are just turds in the punch bowl who don't want to accept the way things are.

Stop trigger fishing. The shows okay, not great, a little social preachy/pandery here and there (even for me, though I do not consider this a 'conspiracy' just a point of view), but It's actually a LOT more prone to put the characters in legitimate peril than the original show ever did. It was an acceptably entertaining way to spend a few hours.

If you do look at the vid it does look extremely suspicious that so many people joined JUST to give this show a 5 star rating - with no attempt to create a proper profile and no comments or views elsewhere on other shows and scrolling down one page of alleged reviews, EVERY 5 star is the same - a totally newprofile and about 1 in 3 actually posted a comment praising it to the skies, presumably they couldnt be arsed for the other possibly bogus set ups they may have used

I'm not a conspiracy theorist nut, but even my spider senses are tingling. But it might be arthritis.

[ksire_99]

I watched the first episode. It had some good, some ehhh.. In the end I did not click to watch the second episode.

Using Social Media as a the end all be all for people's overall opinion on something is a waste of time. It is a piece of information, but like any piece of information you need to look at it close to determine its strengths/weekness and its validity.


Ask yourself, who has the time to spend much time on social media?

(Answer: Those with too much time on their hands.)

K

[shevek]

Alright, folks, looks like I'm going to have to concede here. I know when I'm licked.

Diversity & Comics just handed Noelle Stevenson a "win" thanks to his adorable daughter Diana who always makes the best comments in his videos.



Plus when I was over a friend's house tonight having pizza and doing a Curb Your Enthusiasm marathon, we started out by just catching the first episode of the new She-Ra series on Netflix. Since all of the main characters are high-school age (cadets in Hordak's army, or fighters in the Rebellion) it's not something I would watch a lot of, and the transformation at the end of Episode 1 wasn't that impressive, but it still kept my attention and was fairly action-packed.

Even if the characters were extremely "Steven Universe" looking and made to emphasize body-positivity while cutting out all possible curvaceousness,
the art overall (esp the backgrounds and the vehicles etc) was fun and colorful, and I did have some anticipation (just like Diana did) to watch the second episode. I'm probably not going to come back to it for a while but I might check some of the rest out soon. It's better than I though it was going to be, and it's good enough to impress kids especially because the woke message will mostly go sailing over their heads anyway.

[Femina]

Fair to note, my little sister is pretty in love with this show as well. I tend to end up watching all the new cartoons and what not cause she likes to watch them. So it is succeeding fine with its target audience.

There's a scale issue where its tough to really pinpoint who has what in terms of military power since there's really only a few characters in the show who matter or get to do much, the hoard seems barren except when they suddenly aren't so that She Ra can toss them around, while the rebellion is made up of whole separate kingdoms with their own princesses, palaces, and presumably soldiers of their own prompting me to occasionally note that they aren't really a rebellion so much as that they are just at war with the hoard and mostly even just IGNORING the hoard as they are protected by a 'mostly' impenetrable forest that's impossible for the hoard to send large numbers of troops through.

What it did do well was make characters you got to know, who made sense, and who made meaningful connections with each other that pay off in the plot both positively and negatively for Adora (but not necessarily negatively for the viewer) whose got a lot on her plate. The finale of this first season also FELT dire and I was honestly worried it was going to collapse into a the dreary 'dark syndrome' of modern film and television for a bit... but this remains somewhat of a techno fairytale... which is fine.

Anyone who likes the modern plate of cartoons available on Cartoon Network will enjoy this show, I daresay its better than most of what American Animation is currently offering... but not as good as Netflix other two animated powerhouses, Castlevania and Dragon Prince.

[shevek]

Oh, man. I know I said I was going to let this go, and don't worry, I am. Eventually.

But I just could not resist letting this slip:
there are actually going to be two parallel She-Ra universes, both marketed at the same time.

The new She-Ra series was promoted at FlameCon (the LGBT pop-culture convention) and NY Comicon.
While they will have a line of books for Scholastic curated personally by Noelle Stevenson (to stay 'on message', I'd assume).
All the while totally ignoring He-Man even though 'Greyskull' is mentioned in the show itself.

While Mattel is entirely ignoring the new version. They debuted the reissue of He-Man and She-Ra toys at PowerCon (the official MOTU convention).
And they are issuing Golden Books that feature both He-Man and She-Ra stories. These products are designated for two audiences:
children 2 to 5 years old...and original fans of the 80s show.

In other words, if you are a fan of the new show and praise it to the skies...surprise, Mattel's products are technically "not for you"!!!
(Heh, just kidding. But you get my point).

Clownfish TV breaks the news. By the way, they've said they are located near Pittsburgh, but they won't answer my emails. Ah well.

[lionbadger]

And they are issuing Golden Books that feature both He-Man and She-Ra stories. These products are designated for two audiences:
children 2 to 5 years old...and original fans of the 80s show.

In other words, if you are a fan of the new show and praise it to the skies...surprise, Mattel's products are technically "not for you"!!!
(Heh, just kidding. But you get my point).

Clownfish TV breaks the news. By the way, they've said they are located near Pittsburgh, but they won't answer my emails. Ah well.

But

They already have MOTU vs DC on the go in comic form

So, why would anyone who likes the new show have a problem with a third MOTU?

Also, they tried to reboot He Man (and it was decent) but nobody watched it.

[shevek]

Not sure who watched the 2002 He-Man reboot but maybe that was just too early.

Since 2012 there have been plenty of trade paperbacks collected of He-Man comic book series, including crossovers with Thundercats and DC Comics,
not forgetting the latest one which crosses over with DC Injustice (which is ongoing, you alluded to it above).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He-Man_an ... _DC_comic)

That's a lot more material than She-Ra has gotten published. In fact, other than a single one-shot in MOTU #8 at some point, there are actually
NO comics starring She-Ra at all. Female characters abound, of course - there is, in fact, tons of Teela and Sorceress action, but no She-Ra. It would seem, therefore, that the He-Man group of characters is a lot more popular, especially among the core comic-buying audience or the older audience etc., and there probably *should* be a reboot of He-Man at this point.

Also I was kidding about fans of the new She-Ra show having a problem with the old-style 80s figures and toys...unless, of course, they object to the objectification and not enough diversity, or whatever.

[shevek]

Hi - It's been a little while for people to step back and give their assessment of the first season of the new She-Ra series.

And as for He-Man, there's been a live-action movie that's been stuck in various stage of development hell since around 2013. At this point, the latest news seems to be from Jan 2019 with yet another new draft of the film being proposed.

This post, btw, was prompted by something that popped up in my Youtube video recommends: an episode of "Shippers Guide to the Galaxy" which deals with the hoped-for relationship of Catra and Adora (based, the show creator says, on the friends-to-nemeses relationship between Clark and Lex in Smallville).

[Lurkndog]

Lol, arguably that makes sense as the internet didn't exist in the 80s and most of the 90s. Now such material is ubiquitous.

I got my first Internet account in college in 1986.

The underlying IP protocols came about in the late 1960s, and there was email by the early 1970's.

The World Wide Web didn't arrive until 1993, but people were sharing dirty pictures long before then.

[DrDominator9]

Lol, arguably that makes sense as the internet didn't exist in the 80s and most of the 90s. Now such material is ubiquitous.

I got my first Internet account in college in 1986.

The underlying IP protocols came about in the late 1960s, and there was email by the early 1970's.

The World Wide Web didn't arrive until 1993, but people were sharing dirty pictures long before then.

Indeed I used to have a deck of topless ladies playing cards that I would share with friends. Some male traditions never cease.

[Femina]

Well there's a lot of tension between the two, I don't think 'exes' is the correct identification... 'couldofbeen' maybe, but there's not really any evidence that points to an actual romantic history from what I saw... and in terms of shipping them for the 'future' you'd have to be an enormous fan of unhealthy relationships xD. Catra is a pretty terrible kittybeing that pulls the old 'kylo ren' of actively pushing away from the forces urging her toward good to FURTHER embrace evil and use that against her enemies. She's evil with a capitol E by the end of season 1.

[sugarcoater]

Lol, arguably that makes sense as the internet didn't exist in the 80s and most of the 90s. Now such material is ubiquitous.

I got my first Internet account in college in 1986.

The underlying IP protocols came about in the late 1960s, and there was email by the early 1970's.

The World Wide Web didn't arrive until 1993, but people were sharing dirty pictures long before then.

Lol, did you seriously mistake the point that the internet as we know it didn’t exist until the late 90s? How many PCs were used by average people to surf the web until the last 25 years? How many shows were streamed online before the 90s? Who was downloading pics from websites in the 80s? Some people in tech, but hardly anyone else.
Hopefully you get the point.

[shevek]

Well there's a lot of tension between the two, I don't think 'exes' is the correct identification... 'couldofbeen' maybe, but there's not really any evidence that points to an actual romantic history from what I saw... and in terms of shipping them for the 'future' you'd have to be an enormous fan of unhealthy relationships xD. Catra is a pretty terrible kittybeing that pulls the old 'kylo ren' of actively pushing away from the forces urging her toward good to FURTHER embrace evil and use that against her enemies. She's evil with a capitol E by the end of season 1.

Of course. It's funny that the exact types of people who decry 'toxic masculinity' are the ones lusting after an evil female whose 'toxicity' level is just as high if not more so.

Don't get me wrong, Femina - I do think the entire 'shipping' culture is a bunch of Tumblr snowflake nonsense. It's like a lunch cafeteria full of high school gossip drama, except perpetuated largely by adults. And I would *hope* that nobody on this forum takes such nonsense seriously. But we on this forum do have a different kind of fantasy and we do indulge in fan fiction all the same - what are most of these SHIP videos that we watch other than parodic fan fiction of a quite prurient nature? The difference is that the Tumblr types keep it mostly in their heads or on scrawled drawings (hence the term 'headcanon') which drives them to mental distraction, while we take the time to healthily visualize it in depth, produce entire videos about it, and write elaborate stories about it...oh, wait.....

[so what I'm saying is...there actually *is* some common ground, but the Tumblrina approach is considerably more 'woke' and unhinged than ours...]

[Femina]

I don't know any of that. I have no interest in discussing politics or commenting on asinine catch phrases like Tumblerina and snowflake or any other stupid catchall insult disguised poorly as legitimate terminology. None of that is hear nor there concerning what I wrote above. I'm simply speaking as someone who saw the show and therefore have an opinion on this particular ship. Without being overly spoilery and having only seen it once, I only know that

Spoiler

Catra stepped up to the 'make your decision' line that characters are sometimes lead to in these things and stepped down very VERY hard on the 'fuck my friends I want it all!' line.

It's fine to have ships in these things, this one makes a lot of sense considering some of the things that were happening in the season and how close Adora and Catra appeared to be in certain episodes...... but anyone HONESTLY rooting for poor Adora to be saddled with that selfish psycho kitty ought to really reanalyze the situation.

Spoiler

She was conflicted, she was given the choice, she CHOSE evil and used every ounce of her relationship with Adora abusively and with intent to kill her in the end. Not exactly the kind of gal you take home to Angela.

[Dazzle1]

Not a political or social or even story telling question

but why are the characters drawn so poorly compared to the original?

[shevek]

I don't know any of that. I have no interest in discussing politics or commenting on asinine catch phrases like Tumblerina and snowflake or any other stupid catchall insult disguised poorly as legitimate terminology... anyone HONESTLY rooting for poor Adora to be saddled with that selfish psycho kitty ought to really reanalyze the situation.

Which is exactly why such so-called "asinine" catch phrases exist, Femina. You are indeed correct in assessing such a "ship" to be poorly analyzed,
and yet there is a whole cult of people who support innumerable pop-cultural ships which *never* appear in the actual TV shows (so by and large, they are what's known as 'headcanon'). Where do they support such ships? That's right, on Tumblr (and then they complain about them on Twitter).

Let's look at the history of Noelle Stevenson, creator of the She-Ra show. Before she was a comic book writer, she was a fan. She created the "Hawkeye Initiative" back in 2012 with a very specific agenda - to ridicule sexualization of women in comic books. Where was that Initiative created, where did its URL live during its peak of popularity in 2013-14, and where does it still exist today? Right again: on Tumblr.

Then she created Nimona and Lumberjanes. These are two series which found mainstream distribution but only limited popularity among certain specifically ideological segments of comicbook nerd-dom. No average person has heard of either comic book despite it sitting on shelves in Barnes & Nobles and public libraries for years, because it only sells to a specific market (and of course, to librarians eager to fill their shelves with wokeness). Where does that specific market originate? Right again: from Tumblr.

Then she created the She-Ra reboot. In the "shipping" video I posted above, the narrator makes it quite clear what Noelle's agenda was in creating the show. Watch the video and find Noelle's quotes for yourself. Once the show's character was set, and the season was rolled out, where did the majority of the frantic "shipping" for all of these characters (including Catra + Adora) take place? That's right, once again: on Tumblr.

So when I say "Tumblrina", it means a pretty specific thing. It means the inhabitants of this blog site where a certain breed of nerd sperges out about Steven Universe, or the recent ship controversy in Voltron Season 8, or She-Ra shipping, or Star Wars shipping, or other topics like that. Granted, not all of Tumblr is the same - nothing is uniform no matter where you look - but the fact remains that it's an unequalled hotbed of progressive nerditude which spreads out into other domains, whether they be online like Twitter or Reddit, or real world situations like becoming editors, writers and artists on Marvel Comics (yes, that's right, current comics creators have been regularly recruited from Tumblr).

So there you go. Sure, my phrasing might be snarky now and then, but it's far from 'asinine' or 'stupid' (and personally, I like to refrain from using such words myself, but that's just me). 'Tumblrina' recognizes the importance of a subcultural movement..certainly not in the nicest terms, I admit, but then again I wasn't exactly trying to be laudatory.

Carry on!

Not a political or social or even story telling question

but why are the characters drawn so poorly compared to the original?

They're "drawn so poorly" because that's the current style. A good number of comic books (not all of them, there are still plenty of amazing artists)
suffer from the same lack of artistic quality as well. Some call it the "CalArts" style. It's much more cartoonish and somewhat nebulous, and not the precise, overly heroic style you'd be used to from the 1980s or the 1990s.

[Femina]

its costs less money to draw in a style that is poor quality but stylistic enough to get away with... that's basically it. Get used to it cause money talks. Legend of Korra is prolly the last well drawn American anime you'll ever see.

@Shevek. The terminoligy itself and those who created it is/are whats stupid and asinine, not necessarily those using it, because when they did so they could have invented something that didn't sound childish and merely an insult by proxy. I don't think people should use that sort of targeted language in debate/argument intended to sway opinions because they come off as unschooled and insulting which invariably leads a conversation into a screaming fot that is of value to no one. Call people Tumblrina's and snowflakes all you want, it's going to sound childish and its not ever going to convince anyone you are giving them a fair shake or to rethink their oppinion because it is insulting, plain and simple.

[shevek]

OK Femina. I'm not childish nor unschooled. I just rolled out Noelle Stevenson's creative arc to show you an example of what a Tumblr-derived art career looks like (quite often) in Current Year. It's up to you (or anyone) to grok the significance of what that means, or not.

As far as terrible art that is poor quality but stylistic enough, Cal Arts is going to be the tip of the iceberg of mediocrity that is coming out of Tumblr and half-assed art schools and so on. And once again, yes there are amazing artists always still coming up. But then you have attempts like this.
This is the art for the new GI Joe #1 for which the customer is being charged FIVE BUCKS. Realize not only to what nadir a major comic book company (IDW) has fallen, but also to what lengths comics review sites are willing to shill for such garbage - it gives new meaning to the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.

(And I didn't put this in the comic book forum because I don't think GI Joe deserves a thread. I think this video is better used as an example of the dismal quality control standards to come in the years ahead that is going to make this She-Ra series look like the Mona Lisa).

[batgirl1969]

season 4 is out and I am seeing some amazing cosplays now of Catra and Adora. Catra's new costume is sexier than ever with her tight shiny fingerless gloves....probably better to finger her new girlfriend with!!! The sexual tension is high with this one....I think Adora is going to know what Catra tastes like soon!!! mmmm

[Femina]

season 4 is out and I am seeing some amazing cosplays now of Catra and Adora. Catra's new costume is sexier than ever with her tight shiny fingerless gloves....probably better to finger her new girlfriend with!!! The sexual tension is high with this one....I think Adora is going to know what Catra tastes like soon!!! mmmm

Not in season 4 there isn't. Season 3 ended with the big shipping cannon blowing that unhealthy relationship out of the water. They barely even speak to each other in season 4.

[batgirl1969]

Femina, well that sucks!! I have only seen a few minutes of episode 1 season 4. thats a real bummer for aure because i would love to see catra force her love on Adora......she is in love people!!!