Political Viewpoints

[DrDominator9]

Is the alt-right right?
Should the alt-left be left behind?

If you have a political bone to pick with SJW's, Man-babies or anyone else across the aisle from your views, feel free to chime in here.

I'll start it off. Donald Trump is single-handedly and systematically undermining the very heart of this democracy. Isn't he? Well, actually, his Republican brethren are giving him a huge hand so, no, he's not doing it entirely alone.

[tallyho]

There goes the neighbourhood

[GeekyPornCritic]

The problem with Republicans and conservatives is they are not trying to progress the nation. Like I said in another thread, civil rights, health care, and education are common sense and human right issues. Your political party should not matter. A good politician would be in favor of civil rights, education, and health care.

What have modern republicans done to improve civil rights? Nothing. They say racism does not exist anymore. However, they cannot prove it. They do not have a record of supporting civil rights.

Liberals and democrats are not perfect. At least they are trying to create solutions. They are starting conversations on how to fix health care.

[Dazzle1]

The problem with Republicans and conservatives is they are not trying to progress the nation. Like I said in another thread, civil rights, health care, and education are common sense and human right issues. Your political party should not matter. A good politician would be in favor of civil rights, education, and health care.

What have modern republicans done to improve civil rights? Nothing. They say racism does not exist anymore. However, they cannot prove it. They do not have a record of supporting civil rights.

Liberals and democrats are not perfect. At least they are trying to create solutions. They are starting conversations on how to fix health care.

As a fiscally and foriegn policy conservative and moderate to social liberal.

I disagree progress comes from the republicans and business community not from community shakedown artists and socialists and if you want to talk about human rights the Dems won't even condemn anti-Semite in their party, Illhan Omar

If Howard Schultz runs or the Dem nominate the Gov of Colorado Hickenlooper great

But with all his faults, Trump is better than Obama was and far better than the racist left wing of the Democratic party

[bushwackerbob]

I just want to be left alone to live my life absent as much government interference possible. I do not care to be lectured by celebrities and politicians about having 12 years to save the planet, then seeing those same celebrities and politicians riding in gas guzzling limos and SUV's, and riding in private jets, deeply resent those who call building a wall on the southern border racist while some of them live in fortresses with walls, pass health care legislation that exempts those who actually had the power to vote on it. Do as I say and not as I do. Most modern conservatives do believe that racism still exists. The issue for a lot of conservatives is that there are more cases like the Smollett case, which was fraudulent, then liberals are willing to admit. The political leader that trusts the judgement of the individual over that of institutions and governments.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I just want to be left alone to live my life absent as much government interference possible. I do not care to be lectured by celebrities and politicians about having 12 years to save the planet, then seeing those same celebrities and politicians riding in gas guzzling limos and SUV's, and riding in private jets, deeply resent those who call building a wall on the southern border racist while some of them live in fortresses with walls, pass health care legislation that exempts those who actually had the power to vote on it. Do as I say and not as I do. Most modern conservatives do believe that racism still exists. The issue for a lot of conservatives is that there are more cases like the Smollett case, which was fraudulent, then liberals are willing to admit. The political leader that trusts the judgement of the individual over that of institutions and governments.

This simply is not true. Conservatives say racism does not exist to turn a blind eye racist Republicans. Modern Conservatives support a president who called black people the N word, and said all illegal immigrants are rapist. What have modern conservatives done to improve race relations?

Look at American hero Colin Kapnernick, conservatives were outraged at a black man for protesting racial injustice in America. They did not care about the issues of the protest. They believed he did not have the right to sit. They said he should be thankful to be rich. A rich person can look at the less formate, and fight for their liberties. Conservatives told a rich black man to be silent, but believed a rich white man like Trump should be allowed to voice his political opinions.

Racist Fox News host Laura Ingraham told Lebron James to "shut up and dribble". A black man regardless of his wealth and talents has the right to voice his political opinions. Everyone regardless of their professions have the right to voice their political opinions. We are all American citizens. We all share the same rights to freedom of speech.

Why do conservatives believe rich white men can speak on political issues, and rich black men are not allowed to?

It is unfair to judge celebrities and politicians for their choices for travel. Did you consider their security? Green vehicles are too vulnerable. Private jets are their best options to avoid threats. I do not like Trump. I also would not want any politician in a current green vehicle. Just picture Kim K flying on a regular airplane. Do you not see the problems that will follow?

Conservatives do not want to leave you alone to live your life. They do not want you to watch porn, watch SHIP, have anal sex, have privacy on the web, and so much more.

Liberals do not support Smollett. They have criticized him for lying. Liberals have said Smollett's case will negatively impact cases of true discrimination.

[IMSancho]

I agree with this:

[Femina]

So... we're gonna do this huh? I predict ten pages max before this place gets locked... but whatevs cause... I'm reeaaaaaaally gonna unload here... I mean it... a lot of stupid frivolous comments gets said out and around that REALLY tick me off so drop a one liner 'walls should get built cause immigrants, that is all' comments at your own peril cause here we go! And appologies to mr. bushwackerbob for being first in line, you just were the first one I saw.

*aims rifle scope*

I just want to be left alone to live my life absent as much government interference possible. I do not care to be lectured by celebrities and politicians about having 12 years to save the planet, then seeing those same celebrities and politicians riding in gas guzzling limos and SUV's, and riding in private jets, deeply resent those who call building a wall on the southern border racist while some of them live in fortresses with walls, pass health care legislation that exempts those who actually had the power to vote on it. Do as I say and not as I do. Most modern conservatives do believe that racism still exists. The issue for a lot of conservatives is that there are more cases like the Smollett case, which was fraudulent, then liberals are willing to admit. The political leader that trusts the judgement of the individual over that of institutions and governments.

That's nice. It's all a lot of trivial nonsense that can't possibly lead to a safe social environment... and all seemingly reactionary to what a very very small percentage of the world is doing (rich famous people and politicians)... and leads right back to old school tribalism where small Grecian kingdoms build and knock down each others walls to kill each other over whose gods are real or not. We tried a 'can't we all just get along however we'd like?' system of government for a few years immediately after the revolution and very very quickly nearly went bankrupt. It was only thanks to the likes of people like the economic genius of the incorrigible asshole that is Alexander Hamilton that America didn't fold like a house of cards made up of Washington dollar bills... and that was JUST in the area of economics alone... but its good to have dreams of your own personal perfect world without any of the work involved to bring it about to fall back on when you'd just like to crack open a cold one and get drunk or something... and that much at least I can't fault you for. You've got your own hopes, you'll vote for what might bring them about... all I can do is hope that one day you see that its unrealistic and a better world requires more from everyone than just getting left alone to do our own thing.

But really its your wall comments are the sort of offhanded drivel that is less that useless and don't have any weight or value whatsoever. A giant wall across a border carries a cost so far above and beyond any of the so called 'fortresses' these politicians live in (and I mean... really? Fortress? The White House is the residence of our proposed most important person in America and really its just 'cause you'd be shot?' that keeps people from breaking in not because its some impenetrable wartime bunker. If an army marched on it, those rod iron gates would fold pretty quick). I'm not saying its necessarily cool to build a fortress to live in then rant downward about how wrong the the southern border wall is or anything... but the VAST VAST majority of people calling those who want a border wall racist live a lower class lifestyle by sheer certitude of countrywide population statistics. Only the 1% can afford to live the fortress life, and a good percentile of those people WANT the border wall, so conservatively we can guesstimate that .5% of the people arguing against a wall might potentially have their own walls.... even so, as an argument FOR having a border wall this one's preeeeeetty shit.

[Imagineer]

Oh boy, a straw man competition.

[ksire_99]

Is the alt-right right?
Should the alt-left be left behind?

If you have a political bone to pick with SJW's, Man-babies or anyone else across the aisle from your views, feel free to chime in here.

I'll start it off. Donald Trump is single-handedly and systematically undermining the very heart of this democracy. Isn't he? Well, actually, his Republican brethren are giving him a huge hand so, no, he's not doing it entirely alone.

Systematically undermining? Look no further than the previous administration's use of Federal Agencies (IRS and DOJ for starters) against organizations with views not in agreement with theirs.

I would expect that a mod would not start a thread, which would alienate half of the members on the board. Which is exactly what you did by labeling me as a threat to democracy. This is a thoughtless and frankly not a very thought out act.

At least I added some fact to my argument, which you entirely ommited. Dr. D, if you wanted to start a conversation, try not to throw lame insults with your opening statement.

[Renegade]

Eww.. you got politics on my fetish.

[lionbadger]

The problem with Republicans and conservatives is they are not trying to progress the nation. Like I said in another thread, civil rights, health care, and education are common sense and human right issues. Your political party should not matter. A good politician would be in favor of civil rights, education, and health care.

This is because Politics is stupid and boring and doesn't really get people (in particular guys) to sit and watch the news when there is anything else to choose from.

So what we have instead is a sort of sports, because everyone understands that and you can root for your team and go to the bar and complain about the other team and you don't need to know what the intracies of the Pragmatic sanction are etc etc.

And then that feeds over into how you get elected in the first place because nobody cares what you do it's how good are you at the game, does everyone want your Top Trump card etc.

[DrDominator9]

Systematically undermining? Look no further than the previous administration's use of Federal Agencies (IRS and DOJ for starters) against organizations with views not in agreement with theirs.

I would expect that a mod would not start a thread, which would alienate half of the members on the board. Which is exactly what you did by labeling me as a threat to democracy. This is a thoughtless and frankly not a very thought out act.

At least I added some fact to my argument, which you entirely ommited. Dr. D, if you wanted to start a conversation, try not to throw lame insults with your opening statement.

Yeah, ksire, this might not have been my brightest idea ever. Trying to corral political expression in a "safe space" on a site dedicated to superheroine fetish fans. I should have had a proper breakfast rather than grabbing that raspberry danish. That'll teach me.

As for offending half the board, that's easy enough to do by declaring a pereference for stockings or bare legs; things that really matter here.

Guess I'll go back to writing and leave you all to this.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Is the alt-right right?
Should the alt-left be left behind?

If you have a political bone to pick with SJW's, Man-babies or anyone else across the aisle from your views, feel free to chime in here.

I'll start it off. Donald Trump is single-handedly and systematically undermining the very heart of this democracy. Isn't he? Well, actually, his Republican brethren are giving him a huge hand so, no, he's not doing it entirely alone.

Systematically undermining? Look no further than the previous administration's use of Federal Agencies (IRS and DOJ for starters) against organizations with views not in agreement with theirs.

I would expect that a mod would not start a thread, which would alienate half of the members on the board. Which is exactly what you did by labeling me as a threat to democracy. This is a thoughtless and frankly not a very thought out act.

At least I added some fact to my argument, which you entirely ommited. Dr. D, if you wanted to start a conversation, try not to throw lame insults with your opening statement.

Trump, his supporters, and republicans are threats to democracy. We can take a look at our own SHIP fetish. For years Republicans have talked about making porn illegal by lying to the public that porn is a health hazard. The medical community does not agree with this at all. Doctors say it is good to masturbate if you are single. Sex is exciting to us and it helps relieve any stress. However, Republicans want to please their Christian voters and will violate people's freedom of speech if they outlaw porn and SHIP.

Your browsing history can legally be sold. Do you have privacy?

Our education system continues to get worst as we are free falling while other countries are rising.

Republicans have expressed desires to remove civil rights laws. They said these laws are no longer necessary because racism is from the past. People will take full advantage of this change if it happens. Discrimination could not be fought in court because there would be no law preventing it. It would be like suing someone for not hiring a smoker. Smokers are not a protected group.

[Bert]

Dazzle1 wrote:
"But there is no real problem with gender or racial diversity in the U.S, that is a scam . We are mostly beyond that point.

It is promoted by people with agenda like sharpton, AOC and Larsen among others"

I don't know you, Dazzle1. You may well be a very fine person. My comments here are aimed at your statements, your opinions, not you personally. Here we go...

No real problem with gender in the U.S.? That statement is purely willful blindness. To say that now, less than two years after the Metoo movement has started to shine a light on the wanton abuse of women at the hands of powerful men, is the height of ignorance. Last week Republican senator and former combat pilot Martha McSally revealed she had been raped by a superior officer in the military. These incidents clearly show a pattern of men in positions of power taking sexual advantage of women for their own personal gratification. That is a problem, Dazzle1. It is not a scam, it is an epidemic of abusive behaviour. We are nowhere near "mostly beyond" this problem. We are finally beginning the process of dealing with it.

Furthermore, your insistence on misspelling Brie Larson's name after having been repeatedly reminded of it comes across as provocation.

"progress comes from the republicans and business community not from community shakedown artists and socialists"

"But with all his faults, Trump is better than Obama was"

These quotes are revealing. Being president of the U.S. is an incredibly difficult job. America is a very polarized country, for reasons too complex to discuss here, and any president continually walks a tightrope making decisions in that environment. Approval of a president is closely tied to a person's political affiliation. Having said that, Barack Obama was a president who displayed intelligence, restraint, caring, and respect for the office he held. He displayed those virtues while carrying the mantle of "first black president". He took over at the nadir of a dire financial crisis, when the economy was in freefall. He presided over a difficult recovery from that crisis, and after eight years he left office with the economy roaring back to a strong position. furthermore, his evenhandedness drew criticism from prominent Black Americans who argued that he didn't use his power to do enough for black Americans. Restraint. Grace.

Donald Trump, by contrast, is remarkable in only one way; he is a man with no discernible virtue. Trump is pure vice. He bragged to an entertainment reporter that he could grope women with impunity. His defense of neo-nazis in the Charlottesville fiasco was appalling. He is under investigation by so many authorities that it's almost impossible to keep track of them all. Prominent members of his campaign team are serving or face jail time for criminal activity. He dragged the country through its longest government shutdown over a border wall, and achieved absolutely nothing from it. He spends much of his time at his own golf resorts, where the Secret Service, in their efforts to protect him, must rent resort golf carts from him to carry out their duties.

So Dazzle1, many of the opinions you have shared recently are generating pushback. The reason is that many of your opinions are foolish, wrong and intentionally provocative. Frankly, it's more entertaining for me to watch Femina bitchslap your posts down, but I thought I'd take a turn for once.

[Dazzle1]

Dazzle1 wrote:
"But there is no real problem with gender or racial diversity in the U.S, that is a scam . We are mostly beyond that point.

It is promoted by people with agenda like sharpton, AOC and Larsen among others"

I don't know you, Dazzle1. You may well be a very fine person. My comments here are aimed at your statements, your opinions, not you personally. Here we go...

No real problem with gender in the U.S.? That statement is purely willful blindness. To say that now, less than two years after the Metoo movement has started to shine a light on the wanton abuse of women at the hands of powerful men, is the height of ignorance. Last week Republican senator and former combat pilot Martha McSally revealed she had been raped by a superior officer in the military. These incidents clearly show a pattern of men in positions of power taking sexual advantage of women for their own personal gratification. That is a problem, Dazzle1. It is not a scam, it is an epidemic of abusive behaviour. We are nowhere near "mostly beyond" this problem. We are finally beginning the process of dealing with it.

Furthermore, your insistence on misspelling Brie Larson's name after having been repeatedly reminded of it comes across as provocation.

"progress comes from the republicans and business community not from community shakedown artists and socialists"

"But with all his faults, Trump is better than Obama was"

These quotes are revealing. Being president of the U.S. is an incredibly difficult job. America is a very polarized country, for reasons too complex to discuss here, and any president continually walks a tightrope making decisions in that environment. Approval of a president is closely tied to a person's political affiliation. Having said that, Barack Obama was a president who displayed intelligence, restraint, caring, and respect for the office he held. He displayed those virtues while carrying the mantle of "first black president". He took over at the nadir of a dire financial crisis, when the economy was in freefall. He presided over a difficult recovery from that crisis, and after eight years he left office with the economy roaring back to a strong position. furthermore, his evenhandedness drew criticism from prominent Black Americans who argued that he didn't use his power to do enough for black Americans. Restraint. Grace.

Donald Trump, by contrast, is remarkable in only one way; he is a man with no discernible virtue. Trump is pure vice. He bragged to an entertainment reporter that he could grope women with impunity. His defense of neo-nazis in the Charlottesville fiasco was appalling. He is under investigation by so many authorities that it's almost impossible to keep track of them all. Prominent members of his campaign team are serving or face jail time for criminal activity. He dragged the country through its longest government shutdown over a border wall, and achieved absolutely nothing from it. He spends much of his time at his own golf resorts, where the Secret Service, in their efforts to protect him, must rent resort golf carts from him to carry out their duties.

So Dazzle1, many of the opinions you have shared recently are generating pushback. The reason is that many of your opinions are foolish, wrong and intentionally provocative. Frankly, it's more entertaining for me to watch Femina bitchslap your posts down, but I thought I'd take a turn for once.

Except you and she lost all the arguments

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)
Trump did not have the KKK to the White House but Obama had BLM and Sharpton
Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

I get my news from many different sources

Have you ever watch Fox News? i read the Guardian and both local papers among others

[GeekyPornCritic]

Except you and she lost all the arguments

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)
Trump did not have the KKK to the White House but Obama had BLM and Sharpton
Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

I get my news from many different sources

Have you ever watch Fox News? i read the Guardian and both local papers among others

America is in a very sad place. There are too many informed people with your message. I can show you proof about something Trump has done, and you would say it is fake. Trump could hurt someone, and you would not believe it.

The right-wring republicans and conservatives are a lost cause.

You cannot compare the KKK to BLM and Al Sharpton. The KKK murdered and publicly executed innocent African Americans for decades. They burnt Churches and homes. They attacked innocent protesters. The KKK supports segregation.

Black Lives Matters are protesting racial injustice in the criminal justice system. They have not hunted down and killed anyone. They have rejected any protester who wants to harm people. They told the guy from Dallas that they wanted nothing to do with him.

Donald Trump said the KKK and white nationalist are good people. He refused to denounce them. He said there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville. The KKK murdered a protester from the left. They also issued warrants on a black man, who they attacked.

[Bert]

Except you and she lost all the arguments

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)
Trump did not have the KKK to the White House but Obama had BLM and Sharpton
Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

I get my news from many different sources

Have you ever watch Fox News? i read the Guardian and both local papers among others

Dazzle1, perhaps you can't see it, but many people who read this stuff can. You haven't won any arguments. You didn't respond to a single thing I just posted, and yet you've declared yourself the winner. The things you did post are deluded.

Trump supports our allies? That's absurd. Almost all of Europe detests Trump. His campaign manager was paid millions by Ukraine's former Russia backed leader. Japan has no choice but to play nice because they're on the flightpath for North Korean nukes.

Are you seriously equating the KKK to BLM? That's the sort of thing that makes people write you off as a nutcase.

Obama appeased human right violators? Seriously? Trump took Putin's word over the entire security services network of the U.S. He refused to take action against Saudi Arabia for killing and dismembering a journalist inside their Turkish embassy. Got nothing from Iran? He negotiated a deal that gave U.N. inspectors free reign to verify that Iran wasn't moving forward with their nuclear weapons plans.

Economy is better? It has simply continued on the upward trajectory that Obama engineered. Trump's massive tax cut has largely been used by corporations to by back their own stock, inflating values and increasing their own bonuses.

I'm not in a liberal enclave, I'm in the fact-based world. How many journalism awards has Fox News won? How many has the New York Times won? Do the math, Dazzle1. Fox News exists to mislead people and push a far right agenda.

[tallyho]

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)

Ye-ah ...he kinda shat all over the UK economically with the Bombardier aircraft business, undermined NATO , believes Putin and Kim over his own intelligence agency reports (and fundamental common sense) and unilaterally said that military exercises were ending in Korea thereby undermining South Korea completely. One of the reasons he cited was the expense of such training exercises - this from the man who wants to set up a 'SPACE FORCE' and who wanted a military parade in New York after seeing the Bastille Day parade

Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba

Except Obama got a treaty signed with regards Iran's nuclear program which UN inspectors said they were observing.
Contrast having a signed and ratified internationally recognised treaty with a vague promise from a man who murdered his brother that he will give up his nukes at some unspecified time in the future and who says he knew nothing about the torture and abuse of an American national that had stolen a propaganda poster as a souvenir. Even if you accept he did know nothing, which is laughable, then did he offer to hold those responsible for the torture accountable - of course not. yet Trump called him 'a fine young man.'

Economy is better

Considering Trump didn't get a single piece of legislation through until November of his first term he is clearly taking the credit for inheriting the boom from the previous administration, just as he is doing with his claims that more black people are employed now than ever before in the workplace - whilst this is one of his rare truths, as he has not introduced a single piece of legislation that would help make this happen he is clearly reaping the benefit of the laws the previous administration made

On top of all that, you have the scenario of

COMEY - lying
COHEN - lying
MUELLER - lying
ROSENSTEIN - lying
NY TIMES -lying
WASHINGTON POST -lying
LE MONDE - lyiing
DAS BILD - lying
LONDON TIMES - lying
EL FIAGRO - lying
EVERY NEWS CHANNEL ON THE PLANET apart from FOX - lying
STORMY DANIELS - lying
KAREN MACDOUGAL - lying
TEN WOMEN WHO ACCUSED HIM OF MOLESTING THEM AFTER HE ADMITTED HE MOLESTED WOMEN - lying
F.B.I - lying
C.I.A. - lying
His FORMER DOCTOR - lying
Jeb BUSH - lying
George W BUSH - lying
RUBIO - lying
CRUZ- lying
MICHELLE FIELDS - lying
CLIMATE CHANGE SCIENTISTS - lying
PUTIN - oh no he's telling the Truth my bad
KIM JONG - oops no he's honest too

etc etc and I could go on
Add everyone else other than Trump to that list


OR ....as a possible alternative...there's just ONE person who is lying.....?
I mean I ask you which is more likely?

You do have an incredible president. Unfortunately he is incredible in the truest sense of the word.

And now I am off to find some truth..bye!

[lionbadger]

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)

Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

We're your allies and Trump doesn't support us. He doesn't support Japan and Korea.

He does seem to be happy to big up Kim Jong Un. He's close buddies with Russia, the original gangster state and cosy with the Saudis who sponsor more terrorism than everyone else combined.

I know you guys like that he talks tough about anyone not his base but there's no material difference between presidents for the last 20 years.

[GeekyPornCritic]

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)

Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

We're your allies and Trump doesn't support us. He doesn't support Japan and Korea.

He does seem to be happy to big up Kim Jong Un. He's close buddies with Russia, the original gangster state and cosy with the Saudis who sponsor more terrorism than everyone else combined.

I know you guys like that he talks tough about anyone not his base but there's no material difference between presidents for the last 20 years.

I think Obama is far different than the presidents for the last 20 years. He wanted to make changes, but the Republicans refused to work with him. They did not want to work with an African American man. Their complaints were so ridiculous. They complained about how he dressed, his friends, taking less vacation than past presidents, and how he shakes hands with people. They lied about his religion and birth place. The republicans never focused on the issues.

Obama was not perfect. However, every president needs congress to work with them to get work done.

I think history will look at Obama as a president who could have made a bigger difference than he did.

[lionbadger]

I think Obama is far different than the presidents for the last 20 years. He wanted to make changes, but the Republicans refused to work with him. They did not want to work with an African American man. Their complaints were so ridiculous. They complained about how he dressed, his friends, taking less vacation than past presidents, and how he shakes hands with people. They lied about his religion and birth place. The republicans never focused on the issues.

Obama was not perfect. However, every president needs congress to work with them to get work done.

I think history will look at Obama as a president who could have made a bigger difference than he did.

I don't think he is materially different. He was quiet happy to keep drone striking weddings (although fair's fair, uk is happy to murder it's own citzens under any party) and keep Guantanamo and push aggressive trade policy and have increase domestic surveillance.

Granted, he did try to normalise relations with Cuba and Iran which kills extremism better than any sanctions and to bring US healthcare to first world standards but that's not a huge achievement for 8 years work (I say that unironically 3 years into uk conservatives (red & blue) punching themselves in the face and getting nowhere over Brexit)

[MightyHypnotic]

Just a word of caution, you already know this thread can devolve quickly but since it's in the Misc section and it's clearly something you guys want to discuss, have at it.

However everyone participating in this discussion should do so with full awareness that you might get offended if you have strong political views. (I don't)

As long as this doesn't spill into other threads I will not be reaching for the lock unless it becomes personal.

[bushwackerbob]

This is what I do not enjoy about politics, if you oppose socialized healthcare, you oppose healthcare reform, if you oppose federal control of our education system you are opposed to education reform, if you are opposed to expanding welfare programs without any reforms you are somehow a racist, if you are for securing our borders you are anti immigrant (actually I against illegal immigration). We are a nation of laws, not a nation of doing what makes us feel all warm inside. It seems to me that for liberals, if you do not go along with their solutions, you are part of the problem. There is no compromise. Critical thinking seems like a foreign concept to some. Regarding celebrities and politicians and their political beliefs I believe if you are a principled human being you hold fast to those beliefs. Let celebrities and politicians fly first class if they are worried about fossil fuels, stop riding in limos, practice what you preach. These people are either hypocrites or they secretly do not believe in man made global warming to the degree that it exists. Hey Geeky, if you remember early in the Smollett case, the people that expressed some skepticism were labeled racists, where were the apologies? I think that it is careless, thoughtless, and unnecessarily cruel to label anybody a racist based on whether one disagrees with someone on a particular social issue. Great minds, regardless of party affiliation can disagree without playing that card. When that card is played, a good give and take conversation devolves into name calling. That is all I want, a conversation, a dialogue where people of differing political beliefs can take part in a civil discourse without vitriol and immature name calling and insults. Let us respect the differences that we have with others instead of attacking them. When you see conservatives not going along with the liberal agenda that sees racism around every tree and corner, it is not that they do not acknowledge racism exists, of course they acknowledge that racism exists, they just oppose the use of race to further political machinations that very often have nothing to do with race. Like the Smollett case, these kind of shenanigans often serve to dilute the response when a real legitimate case of racism happens.

[shevek]

Speaking of Smollett type fraudulence meets the #Metoo backlash.....word is now that Johnny Depp might be innocent and he has serious grounds for his $50 million defamation lawsuit (he easily lost that much in movie work) against sexy Mera, powerful queen of Atlantis (I mean...Amber Heard, who gets seriously pissed when her boyfriend is late for her birthday party).

Whatever deities exist, please do not let this affect the Aquaman sequel!

You know what else? There's brutality, killing, prejudice and slavery all over the world. The best we can hope for is that 300 years from now, the future will look at least as good as The Expanse. It's not going to look like Star Trek: The Next Generation or The Orville.

I just want to see gorgeous superheroines in tight spandex - the pinnacle of Western civilization's ideal of beauty. Not a Mary Sue on a pure power trip of cosmic self-validation. So I didn't go see Captain Marvel. I stayed home and watched Doom Patrol, Umbrella Academy, The Orville, the CW shows, and the movie Annihilation (which was fucking bizarre. I still don't know if I liked it or not.)

And on that note, I'm out.

[GeekyPornCritic]

I am surprised to see fans of SHIP and porn consumers support the Republican party. Their agendas may impact our private lives.

1. The Republican party holds meetings about porn being dangerous and labeling it as a public health hazard. The medical community has said porn is not a health hazard. This would greatly affect the top SHIP studios.

2. The Republican party wastes taxpayer's dollars on hearings about anal sex. Are you fucking kidding me? Who cares if your neighbor is having anal sex. Why is this a topic on the god damn floor?

3. The Republican party believes companies have the right to sell our private information from our browsing history. People should have privacy. This is a violation of our nation's laws.

4. The Republican party is against gun control. They believe we should just pray about it instead of removing the most dangerous guns from the streets. They would rather talk about porn than writing law to prevent gun violence.

Why are Republicans having hearings about legal and consenting sex between adults? What sense does this make?

[Imagineer]

If you support healthcare reform,
then object to those Republicans who've been working to kill it.
If you support education reform,
then object to those Republicans who've been working to kill it.

Deregulation of healthcare is not positive reform for those who need it most.
Privatization of education is not positive reform for those who need it most.

If you support immigration enforcement without immigration reform including basic rights for immigrants, you are supporting a system that perpetuates racism and classism.

If you support welfare reform built on economic traps and punishment, you are supporting a system that perpetuates racism and classism.

If you believe we are a nation of laws,
then demand the President be impeached. The emoluments clause is enough.

If you are a principled human being who supports the party practicing voter suppression, leveraging fear of the Other, and advancing the cause of the wealthy over the working class, please revisit your principles, because they are making you part of the problem.


Those are my straw men for the week. Feel free to twist and attack your versions of them any way you like; I probably won't see it. My March is pretty much toast.


--So at the end of this festival, do we all light our straw men on fire and dance naked until the sun comes up?

[bushwackerbob]

I am surprised to see fans of SHIP and porn consumers support the Republican party. Their agendas may impact our private lives.

1. The Republican party holds meetings about porn being dangerous and labeling it as a public health hazard. The medical community has said porn is not a health hazard. This would greatly affect the top SHIP studios.

2. The Republican party wastes taxpayer's dollars on hearings about anal sex. Are you fucking kidding me? Who cares if your neighbor is having anal sex. Why is this a topic on the god damn floor?

3. The Republican party believes companies have the right to sell our private information from our browsing history. People should have privacy. This is a violation of our nation's laws.

4. The Republican party is against gun control. They believe we should just pray about it instead of removing the most dangerous guns from the streets. They would rather talk about porn than writing law to prevent gun violence.

Why are Republicans having hearings about legal and consenting sex between adults? What sense does this make?

To address your points, Republicans may rant and rave about porn from time to time but they will never likely produce any meaningful legislation that will actively hurt the porn industry,they are just pandering to their base, agree with #2, with #4, I do not and will never own a gun, but the sad and tragic fact of the matter is that we have not seen the last of these mass shootings, and if our nation's gut reaction to every one of these tragedies is more gun control, then our right to bear arms guaranteed under our constitution will eventually be eroded, once we have pandering gun control reforms after every one of these events, it becomes like a bouncing ball rolling down the hill with no end in sight, it becomes "well 11 people lost their lives in this tragedy and we passed something, if 20 people lost their lives here and we do nothing, are their lives meaningless. I am all for common sense gun control laws as long as it does not lead to a weakening of gun ownership rights down the road, but to be honest with you I do not trust liberals to do what is right for the country without taking political advantage in the long game regarding the abridging the right to bear arms. If we really want to do something about guns, we ought to do something regarding keeping closer track of those who are mentally ill as too many of them fall through the cracks of our society.

[Dazzle1]

Here is why I prefer Trump although I was a never Hillary over Obama

Trump supports our allies, Obama didn't (ask Israel, Ukraine and Japan)

Obama appeased human right violators and terrorists and got nothing back from Iran and Cuba
Economy is better

I think you really need to look min the mirror or get ouside your liberal enclave

We're your allies and Trump doesn't support us. He doesn't support Japan and Korea.

He does seem to be happy to big up Kim Jong Un. He's close buddies with Russia, the original gangster state and cosy with the Saudis who sponsor more terrorism than everyone else combined.

I know you guys like that he talks tough about anyone not his base but there's no material difference between presidents for the last 20 years.

I think Japan would disagree with you and you don't mention Israel which is just if not more important to the U.S as any European country.

He is not going with Russia in opposing the dictator Maduro

In regard to the other poster I am not a Republican or a Dem, I vote on the issues and person, but I am far more worried stifling of art and speech from the left, who gets banned from Twitter, Facebook and college campus and by whom the left. So in regard to SHIP be worried about Kamala Harris and the Ilhan Omar's

[lionbadger]

I think Japan would disagree with you and you don't mention Israel which is just if not more important to the U.S as any European country.

Israel is important to keep oil flowing out of Saudi Arabia (also why Turkey is in Nato and one of the reasons that Russia is trying to fuck them up), it's not important to the US (UK, France) in itself. You can track the shift in the US/Israel dynamic to the price of shale. The next 30 years are going to be tough on them. Full blown nazi supporting US presidents becoming a thing and a potential palestinian sympathetic UK administeation. Buy shares in Israeli defence contractors. (In so far as you can geo politically speculate)

Japan doesn't disagree with me. Look at how Abe took Trump being suckered by North Korea