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I’ve always wondered why some studios don’t venture into hardcore. And by that, I mean showing penetration on-screen. Is it a moral issue? Is it a credit card vendor issue? Is it a local laws issue? Is it a cost factor issue? I believe all of these companies are considered porn producers, but they won’t go that 1% extra. I’m looking for insight.
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Probably a bit of everything. I know the UK has some pretty puritan laws. You can have sex, presumably with a shit-ton of paperwork, you can have peril, but if you produce content containing both, you might have a problem with the state, and the busy-body authoritarians that support it.
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bigums wrote:
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I’ve always wondered why some studios don’t venture into hardcore. And by that, I mean showing penetration on-screen. Is it a moral issue? Is it a credit card vendor issue? Is it a local laws issue? Is it a cost factor issue? I believe all of these companies are considered porn producers, but they won’t go that 1% extra. I’m looking for insight.
Venturing into hardcore has substantial additional challenges, a few of which you list.

Hardcore is not 1% extra - it is a substantial additional undertaking.
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bigums wrote:
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I’ve always wondered why some studios don’t venture into hardcore. And by that, I mean showing penetration on-screen. Is it a moral issue? Is it a credit card vendor issue? Is it a local laws issue? Is it a cost factor issue? I believe all of these companies are considered porn producers, but they won’t go that 1% extra. I’m looking for insight.
Venturing into hardcore has substantial additional challenges, a few of which you list.

Hardcore is not 1% extra - it is a substantial additional undertaking.
I'm guessing the 1% extra may be from the viewers perspective.
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But 'they ' is clearly referencing the producers. Having hard core introduces aids tests certificates, higher rates for models etc it will significantly add to the video costs
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One thing is you need a good guy which is an added expense. Also the models for hardcore are not the fetish models who understand the genre.
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One thing is you need a good guy which is an added expense. Also the models for hardcore are not the fetish models who understand the genre.
But there are models who do understand the genre and have worked for both SHL (Hardcore) and The SHG-Media crew (softcore). Alina Lopez to name one. But from what most are saying, it's a cost issue. However, most SHG productions are custom now. So that sort of removes the cost issue from the argument. Not looking for a miracle or to start an argument or anything from those studios, just asking with the intent to understand.
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bigums wrote:
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Mr. X wrote:
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One thing is you need a good guy which is an added expense. Also the models for hardcore are not the fetish models who understand the genre.
But there are models who do understand the genre and have worked for both SHL (Hardcore) and The SHG-Media crew (softcore). Alina Lopez to name one. But from what most are saying, it's a cost issue. However, most SHG productions are custom now. So that sort of removes the cost issue from the argument. Not looking for a miracle or to start an argument or anything from those studios, just asking with the intent to understand.
Going to sound odd but I don't like hardcore. I don't mind implied actions but seeing it raw isn't a big thing for me. Like with Akiba web. They do hard core but once the movie gets to that point it gets boring to me. Instead I like the goofy monster stuff or the giant heroine stuff.
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If it was just 1% extra you wouldn't be starting a thread about it ;)

I suspect if they cross that line it adds risk and hassle to every production.
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Mr. X wrote:
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bigums wrote:
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Mr. X wrote:
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One thing is you need a good guy which is an added expense. Also the models for hardcore are not the fetish models who understand the genre.
But there are models who do understand the genre and have worked for both SHL (Hardcore) and The SHG-Media crew (softcore). Alina Lopez to name one. But from what most are saying, it's a cost issue. However, most SHG productions are custom now. So that sort of removes the cost issue from the argument. Not looking for a miracle or to start an argument or anything from those studios, just asking with the intent to understand.
Going to sound odd but I don't like hardcore. I don't mind implied actions but seeing it raw isn't a big thing for me. Like with Akiba web. They do hard core but once the movie gets to that point it gets boring to me. Instead I like the goofy monster stuff or the giant heroine stuff.
It doesn't sound weird to me! To each their own. And I agree with you about it getting boring. There are only so many ways the actual act can be filmed. I just like it, though. And you're right. Akiba is an excellent example of that even though I don't understand Japanese, whatever story I can make up in my head while watching is always fascinating. :D BTW... while I got you here. Thank you for all of your great works past, present, and future. Been a purveyor of your stuff for decades now...
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There are a lot of reasons a producer may or may not venture into hardcore territory.

1) Cost: nudity, sexual acts require willing participants and with that comes additional cost… especially for name talent.

2) Payment Processors: some gateways/processors will turn a blind eye to grey area material (PG) but will absolutely shut you down if they see blatant high-risk adult content. Even after securing a high-risk processor (which is a lot of paperwork and time), your processing costs jump from 3%-ish to 15%-ish.

3) Niche: some producers have dabbled in multiple levels of sexuality here. Many have likely found better success or a loyal fan base in the PG realm who prefer not to see the more porn-risqué side of the genre.

4) Actresses: there are easily more actresses willing to jump into a PG production than an X one. This makes casting easier with an arguably better selection to fill your roles.

5) Personal: obviously personal comfort as a director/producer is important. After a few years of filming PG, I wanted to explore deeper into this genre but didn’t want it to effect my perceived career status at the time. So I only went so far for so long and tried to keep it separate and with less exposure. Times are different now but at the time, that’s how I felt. I also preferred storytelling at the time and working with girls who wanted to do stunt work. Other producers may have other personal reasons not to film porn.

6) Locations: unless you’re filming at home or in a hotel, you’ll find it difficult to find a variety of locations who are okay with filming adult content there.

7) Hassle: the additional medical testing, legal paperwork (like 2257), etc can be a turn-off for some producers to venture into explicit territory.

Obviously there’s more, but there are a myriad of reasons why some producers prefer filming PG.
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Honestly (girls POV obviously)..it's hard (no pun intended) to find guys that can keep things "going" for long periods for the films too for multiple takes. Just sayin'...
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Sex is 1000% more in every personal and production interaction.

It opens up a whooooole can of worms which, I'm sure, are additionally tallied into production costs which STILL relies on your actress being willing to have sex on camera which due to a whole load of psychological and developmental processes may be difficult to IMPOSSIBLE for her to do without doing herself psychological harm, and always carries the risk of like, you know unwanted pregnancy (assuming you want to go the 'extra extra 1% and actually do it) which can lead to physical harm and even death from a myriad of childbirthing woes.

It's just a whole crapwad more than 1% from a woman, and that's why you don't see it happening very often. In all honesty I sort of respect how LITTLE 'hardcore porn' there is in the SHiP industry comparative to many other pornographic industries, as it tends to indicate that our producers aren't just a bunch of asshole Harvey Weinstein's looking to bully or pressure the women under their employ into doing things that make them uncomfortable... which to me is a lot more important than the prevalence of hardcore pornography available for consumption.
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