Who was more pivotal, DanO or The Rye?

[emile]

When we SHIP historians look back at the evolution of our little genre, who do you think was more pivotal to what we have today?

DanO, and Superheroine Central, or Rye, with those game-changing productions?

[shevek]

Perhaps you're asking slightly the wrong question because the two producers are from different time periods separated by a few years, right?

The Rye was "pivotal" for helping to establish a certain type of aesthetic which has dominated a good part of the SHIP genre since the mid-2010s, which has been carried on by the likes of TBFE, Lucia, NGC, Bluestone, and now Dark City. Perhaps SHL could be somewhat classified within that approach as well, but I wouldn't presume to speak for Damian.

I would say that there are three main approaches to SHIP today: the 'dark' approach (which seems to draw from 90s/00s TV shows & movies), the 'sexy' approach (which builds on niche fetish porn), and the 'campy' approach (which seems to draw from 60s/70s TV shows & movies). Many good producers combine elements of all three, but there are plenty which do lean heavily in one of those three directions.

But a better word for DanO would be "seminal" (seriously, sometimes literal semen). He helped establish the very rules and methods of the genre upon which the next generation built. And although there are others who may have done it 'first' or claimed to do so, he really belongs in what I might consider the trinity of SHIP's founders, along with Dynahunk (Daredolls) and Darkshade Villain (Superheroine's Demise).

If I missed anything, be sure to correct me, but as I said, I think the distinction lies in the difference between seminal and pivotal.

[GWalb]

I would point out "SuperShelley" in the early 1990's, from Double Trouble Studios, commissioned by Joniar, as being the first video that fell squarely into the superheroine peril genre. The first non-video example of the genre that I know of would be the Stanton-Winter
Blunder Broad series starting about 1978 or '79. BB covered about every fetish scenario that could befall a superheroine.

[luther]

I would have to say Rye was the best to put it in R rated fashion and more sexual content, plus focused more on great KO shots and poses ... definitely the direction I wanted to see it go ... and my A list of great SH videos ... (Gigi Allens in anything ... esp. WW). DanO was more on the PG rated but produced tons of fantastic stuff regularly I would rate in the "B" list. I would put BlueStone up there with the best looking actresses regularly and lots of videos ... but not great on great on extended KO shots and I was never in to the death thing (I wish they would start with a KO with closed eyes and then the death look ... so us ko fans would be content and not miss some great poses).

[SHL]

Perhaps you're asking slightly the wrong question because the two producers are from different time periods separated by a few years, right?

The Rye was "pivotal" for helping to establish a certain type of aesthetic which has dominated a good part of the SHIP genre since the mid-2010s, which has been carried on by the likes of TBFE, Lucia, NGC, Bluestone, and now Dark City. Perhaps SHL could be somewhat classified within that approach as well, but I wouldn't presume to speak for Damian.

I would say that there are three main approaches to SHIP today: the 'dark' approach (which seems to draw from 90s/00s TV shows & movies), the 'sexy' approach (which builds on niche fetish porn), and the 'campy' approach (which seems to draw from 60s/70s TV shows & movies). Many good producers combine elements of all three, but there are plenty which do lean heavily in one of those three directions.

But a better word for DanO would be "seminal" (seriously, sometimes literal semen). He helped establish the very rules and methods of the genre upon which the next generation built. And although there are others who may have done it 'first' or claimed to do so, he really belongs in what I might consider the trinity of SHIP's founders, along with Dynahunk (Daredolls) and Darkshade Villain (Superheroine's Demise).

If I missed anything, be sure to correct me, but as I said, I think the distinction lies in the difference between seminal and pivotal.

Rye established Punished Heroines around 2003-2004 and was plenty successful around then. I could ask him if he found any inspiration from SuperHeroineCentral but I believe they technically were from the same era, maybe slightly separated by a few years

Newphx was making superheroine videos as early as 1995ish. So IMO they were one of the establishing forces of the genre and what it became, as he was attempting to make indie films with a dark look that were cinematic. He also was early in establishing a strong web presence for his work.

Rye had a resurgence post 2010ish.

And not to float my own boat or anything but I think the post 2010 aesthetic was kicked off by me. I released Uninvited around 2009? It was I believe the first SHIP film made with super low aperture shot on a DSLR (which was new technology at the time), I came from a background in professional photography

The owner of SHG has told me as much. If I remember correctly - he told me my first film was talked a lot about internally at SHG, wondering who I was and where I came from. For its time - Uninvited was unlike anything that came before it

I think you could argue the SLR / higher end look of SHIP that came after the 2010s was inevitable - I don’t think I was instrumental in it happening by any means. But I definitely think Uninvited added some pep to people’s step to not fall behind when a 20 year old with a camera was dumb enough to think he could make some SHIP films

Sooperheroines Demise, Punished Heroines, Superheroine Central, Newphx, Dynahunk - those are the names I remember from the 2001-2004 “Golden Era” or “Establishing Era”.

[bbsucks]

My answer is both (+ Alex Bettinger).

Superheroinecentral is how I discovered this niche of the internet and opened my eyes to the possibilities within it. But it wasn't exactly what I wanted from it and if that's all it ever was, I think it would have been a little phase that I'd have moved on from. Rye (via punishedheroines) and Alex Bettinger (via crimsonhawk) pushed it in the direction that connected with me and ultimately caused me to stick around for all these years.

[shevek]

Rye established Punished Heroines around 2003-2004 and was plenty successful around then. I could ask him if he found any inspiration from SuperHeroineCentral but I believe they technically were from the same era, maybe slightly separated by a few years

Newphx was making superheroine videos as early as 1995ish. So IMO they were one of the establishing forces of the genre and what it became, as he was attempting to make indie films with a dark look that were cinematic. He also was early in establishing a strong web presence for his work.

Rye had a resurgence post 2010ish.

Sooperheroines Demise, Punished Heroines, Superheroine Central, Newphx, Dynahunk - those are the names I remember from the 2001-2004 “Golden Era” or “Establishing Era”.

You're right, I forgot that Rye had an earlier era. Of course I've seen many of his Punished Heroines vids. However, I believe SHC started well before him, as I remember seeing the year '1999' on at least a couple of SHC videos, if I'm not mistaken.

Of course, I'm sorry I forgot about Newphx - Andy was obviously very seminal as well, and I remember catching clips of Powercat and Retrogirl in the late 90s when I discovered this scene. A couple other producers who started around that time that we might as well mention are Superheroines in Bondage, and Sexed Up Superheroines from Steve Steele.

I also wanted to mention that I've seen a superheroine sex and peril movie that was filmed well before the Blunder Broad series, sometime in the early 70s. I can't exactly remember the name of it right now, but I think it was called Magnificent Woman or Marvelous Woman or something close to that. She had a skimpy and tight costume that was orange or red-colored. I'm sure someone on the Forum knows the answer to this!

[SHL]

Rye established Punished Heroines around 2003-2004 and was plenty successful around then. I could ask him if he found any inspiration from SuperHeroineCentral but I believe they technically were from the same era, maybe slightly separated by a few years

Newphx was making superheroine videos as early as 1995ish. So IMO they were one of the establishing forces of the genre and what it became, as he was attempting to make indie films with a dark look that were cinematic. He also was early in establishing a strong web presence for his work.

Rye had a resurgence post 2010ish.

Sooperheroines Demise, Punished Heroines, Superheroine Central, Newphx, Dynahunk - those are the names I remember from the 2001-2004 “Golden Era” or “Establishing Era”.

You're right, I forgot that Rye had an earlier era. Of course I've seen many of his Punished Heroines vids. However, I believe SHC started well before him, as I remember seeing the year '1999' on at least a couple of SHC videos, if I'm not mistaken.

Of course, I'm sorry I forgot about Newphx - Andy was obviously very seminal as well, and I remember catching clips of Powercat and Retrogirl in the late 90s when I discovered this scene. A couple other producers who started around that time that we might as well mention are Superheroines in Bondage, and Sexed Up Superheroines from Steve Steele.

I also wanted to mention that I've seen a superheroine sex and peril movie that was filmed well before the Blunder Broad series, sometime in the early 70s. I can't exactly remember the name of it right now, but I think it was called Magnificent Woman or Marvelous Woman or something close to that. She had a skimpy and tight costume that was orange or red-colored. I'm sure someone on the Forum knows the answer to this!

Wayback Machine has SHC logged from October 1999

[boneba]

I mean, ultimately it's the big 3. Villain over at Sooperhero, Dan-O at SuperheroineCentral and then Rye. All 3 ultimately had set the standard.

[shevek]

I mean, ultimately it's the big 3. Villain over at Sooperhero, Dan-O at SuperheroineCentral and then Rye. All 3 ultimately had set the standard.

Certainly those three set the standard as far as what fans expect from SHIP, establishing the "Golden Age". And 1999 was the year I discovered the genre, so two of them represented my first impressions with the genre, and I'm sure that impression stuck for most who discovered it at the time. You could also put in Alex as fourth - I remember following Hawk Heroines almost from the very beginning. Massive respect.

But Dynahunk, Andy, and Steve Steele all started well before them, so they were the first pure SHIP producers as we understand the genre today, right?

Also, nobody has answered my question about the very first SHIP movie from the early 70s. I watched it once, but I can't remember what the name of it was. Skimpy orange or red costume, possibly called something close to "Magnificent Woman"? Somebody has to know about it here.

[GWalb]

Also, nobody has answered my question about the very first SHIP movie from the early 70s. I watched it once, but I can't remember what the name of it was. Skimpy orange or red costume, possibly called something close to "Magnificent Woman"? Somebody has to know about it here.

There was one starring Desire Costeau. It was originally SuperWoman but when DC bitched they changed it to something else.
Ms. Magnificent (1979), aka Superwoman, by Joe Sherman

[Mr. X]

Also, nobody has answered my question about the very first SHIP movie from the early 70s. I watched it once, but I can't remember what the name of it was. Skimpy orange or red costume, possibly called something close to "Magnificent Woman"? Somebody has to know about it here.

There was one starring Desire Costeau. It was originally SuperWoman but when DC bitched they changed it to something else.
Ms. Magnificent (1979), aka Superwoman, by Joe Sherman

https://www.scifi-movies.com/en/short/0 ... oman-1979/
https://spankbang.com/5zy34/video/ms+magnificent+1979

[shevek]

Also, nobody has answered my question about the very first SHIP movie from the early 70s. I watched it once, but I can't remember what the name of it was. Skimpy orange or red costume, possibly called something close to "Magnificent Woman"? Somebody has to know about it here.

There was one starring Desire Costeau. It was originally SuperWoman but when DC bitched they changed it to something else.
Ms. Magnificent (1979), aka Superwoman, by Joe Sherman

https://www.scifi-movies.com/en/short/0 ... oman-1979/
https://spankbang.com/5zy34/video/ms+magnificent+1979

Yes, thanks! That's where I saw it, on SB. I was under the impression that it was a few years earlier than Blunder Broad, but I guess they were actually around at the same time. Ms Magnificent! and her nemesis Kreeta Borgia. I would say it was the first SHIP film, since Batgirl wasn't in the Batman 1966 movie. This one is memorable to me because I had friends in the 90s who had a local band called "Creta Bourzia" (they had several releases out, you can find them on Discogs) and I know they named their band after this movie!

[TheVillain]

Oh nice develpment of this topic!That movie Ms Magnificent, I need to watch it, I thought was Blunder Broad the first parody of the superheroines at that time( not sure if Stanton created it after WW LCarter tv show or just based on comic books).

[GWalb]

I first heard abiut Ms. Magnificent in a glossy magazine format book devoted entirely to it
with a lot of stills from the movie. I got that at a Times Square, dirty book shop around 1979.
I finally got to see it in the mid eighties when it was available on VHS at video rental stores.
Later in the 80's their were a couple of Batwoman porn movies with some peril.

[CIA]

Paris Kennedy deserves much praise for her role in popularizing the genre. I would love to see how she looks these days, well into her 40s.

[bushwackerbob]

I would love to see a SHIP historian create a comprehensive historical overview and timeline of events of how SHIP began, started, and evolved.

[RedMountain]

Surprised no one has brought up Harmony Concepts. I think Superheroine's Demise was the first thing I found all those years ago, but the first time seeing Darla Crane, Kelly Ashton, or Kelsie Chambers in the Spellbinder costume...woooo...

[Mr. X]

Surprised no one has brought up Harmony Concepts. I think Superheroine's Demise was the first thing I found all those years ago, but the first time seeing Darla Crane, Kelly Ashton, or Kelsie Chambers in the Spellbinder costume...woooo...

Oh yeah Harmony was awesome! Darla Crane was incredible. So was Danni Ashe.

[shevek]

Surprised no one has brought up Harmony Concepts. I think Superheroine's Demise was the first thing I found all those years ago, but the first time seeing Darla Crane, Kelly Ashton, or Kelsie Chambers in the Spellbinder costume...woooo...

Oh yeah Harmony was awesome! Darla Crane was incredible. So was Danni Ashe.

Darla Crane is still active, even still doing superheroine fetish videos.

[JeffB65]

You cant mention this genre and not mention Cory Lane. She was another power house.