Porny style - yes or no?

[Unmaskee]

Personally I'm not so keen on the porn parody style where characters refer to being aroused and such forth. Such as batgirl dressing and being aroused by that. I want it to be more matter of fact 'realistic' if you like. You can still have the heroine tortured in the sexual way, that's the choice of the villain.

But the whole scenario being based around initial arousal anyway doesn't quite work for me, makes me buy into the situation a little bit less.

What about you?

[Heroine Addict]

I personally like the heroines to be straight-laced uptight do-gooders who think of their costumes purely as the uniforms they wear when they're fighting crime. Sure, I want them to be sexy, but I don't want them to think of themselves as sexy...




...until some sort of love potion, hypnosis or some other MacGuffin turns them into horny nymphomaniacs who see their hot bodies and tight uniforms in a sexual way for the first time. For me, a big part of this fetish is the heroines' transformation/downfall from righteous and unattainable icons to filthy minxes.

[JoeC]

I agree.

One of the fundamental tenets of good superheroine in peril material is that the actress acts like a superheroine, going about her super business, until something bad happens to her and lays her low.

That's the turn-on for me: she is powerful and pure and then she gets taken down hard by a villain.

If she acts like a pornstar from the beginning, it spoils the fantasy. If she appears to be enjoying her bondage and/or sexual abuse, you've lost me. The many all-female orgy videos that have been released lately come to mind...

[batgirl1969]

I love it when the heroine is innocent, pure and wholesome not thinking of herself as sexy at all or using her assets to her advantage. Then once she is weakend defeated and trapped she realizes that her body is going to be defiled and is not into it all....struggles and does anything to keep from being violated....begging and pleading...in fact her being a petite blonde virgin is my overall top perspective of a heroine...she is like a vestal virgin...then her defeat is all the more glorious! Loosing her virginity against her will to a vile male or female who only loves to destroy their captives.....

[getoffthshed12000]

That's part of the fantasy, yes? The innocence and virtue giving way as the heroine finally submits her will. Sure, deep down they may want to act on those desires, but they're morality prevents them. That's what separates them from the bad guys.

If you want horny girls acting horny all the time, there's mainstream porn for that.

[Mr. X]

I don't mind a sexually oriented heroine but I do like it when she thinks she's in control and instead ends up out of control.

[Unmaskee]

It's part of slight disappointment with Christina's recent productions marvelous though they are. It saddened to see batgirl dressing in a pornorific style. I want it to be just something she does matter of factly. Sure she may enjoy becoming batgirl and feel proud of herself and image but aroused and having a but plug in? No thanks.

I don't want to be too harsh as Christina is putting huge effort in and producing amazing results. It's just a tiny pity that it's just not *quite* there.

[JoeC]

It does seem a shame to have such magnificent models finally getting the right costumes, and then to lose their way on the concept.

By all means include the buttplug, but it would be soooo much better if a villain (male, preferably) inserted it, and if Batgirl didn't enjoy it so much.

[cdrei]

I agree. Batgirl is, or thinks herself to be, a "good girl". Yvonne has stated that in her career she seemed to play characters who were either goody-two shoes or sluts. Barbara Gordon and Batgirl would be the extreme of goody-two shoes. Batgirl wouldn't freely admit to any sort of sexual feeling in any way more overt than the vague flirting she does with Batman, in season 3. Barbara is presumably a sexual person, as are most healthy adult human beings. But Batgirl is a construct of Barbara's, a part she plays, and I believe Barbara would be very controlled about what traits she allows Batgirl to display or possess. Basically, I think Batgirl would be very repressed, uptight, and would resist admitting to sexual desire or response as far as possible. If denial were to become impossible, it would be a disaster for her, a tremendous defeat, a horrible loss of control or even loss of face. That should be the core of any sexualized SHIB humiliation of the character, I think: Batgirl being forced to admit that she's merely human. And that would really be Barbara's crisis more than Batgirl's. I think Barbara would feel very ashamed and would be angry with herself, as much as anything. Batgirl's reaction would sort of be Barbara slipping out of the Batgirl character, her own authentic emotions coming out. A sort of unmasking.

If I were directing a scene (which would never happen, but if...), I would play it as close to the Bat '66 series as possible. There, Batgirl is overconfident, bold and daring and laughing at danger, until she's in over her head. Once she's caught, she panics and is all sqeaks and squeals and struggling. Once in a trap, she becomes dead serious, focused on winning. We never really saw her lose, in that situation. The closest I can recall to Batgirl losing her struggle with the trap and/or confrontation would be the caviar dunk. There, she panics and has to be rescued. I think that's what would happen if Batgirl were tied up and taunted and then had some sort of sexual scenario forced on her.

But obviously most people don't think like I do. Oh well.

Note that I wonder whether many treatments of these characters avoid having the captive react too negatively to a sexual situation because they want to avoid any appearance of rape. I don't see the SHIB interest as some kind of rape fantasy, but I can see how any sort of forced sex scenario perhaps could be (mis)interpreted as rape. Producers of "parody" videos featuring Batgirl or others need to worry about legal trouble from copyright holders. The more extreme the depiction, perhaps, the higher the risk of a lawsuit. Thus, the corners get rounded off and the characterizations are watered down until they're typical porn depictions. Hmm. :?:

[Mr. X]

Or it could be the models won't do that kind of material.

[cdrei]

Umm. That would be a simpler explanation. Yup.

[ovid36]

I agree with most on here. If Batgirl is already turned on then the villainess doesn't have to hypnotize, gas, etc to turn her on. At that point it's porn in cool costumes for the 5 minutes that they stay on.

[TightsLover]

Not into the porn aspect. At all. It's getting harder to find videos that do not have some kind of sex involved.

[Mr. X]

I've wondered about this as well. Do people want to see actual sex in the video or implied sex or no sex and maybe just some groping?

[mcg]

A big no to porn style. Some groping adds to the heroine's humiliation and that's fine but beyond that, count me out.

My idea of heroine fetish is seeing someone who is supposed to win, lose. The more they are dominated, the hotter it is. The superheroine, who is supposed to save the day, gets her ass kicked instead.

There are so many porn producers throwing costumes on their girls now and calling it a superheroine video. It's watering down the fetish way to much.

[finnssss]

I've always been partial to the old Herione Academy/Doomed Damsels/Dominated Heroines style.
Which falls inbetween IMO.

Sometimes things are implied, sometimes they are not and even though I don't recall them ever actually showing the sex, sometimes you just know that they really are going at it.

Not all tease and not all in your face either.

For example, as much as I absolutely loved watching the films with Ashley Rose in various superheroine guises doing and receiving all kinds of implied things.
It was very satisfying for me to find other work by her where there is nothing implied except the violence, even if that other work is in a genre that's not very high on my list.

[SGWriter]

No.

For me I'm disappointed by how much of the genre is basically porn. Now if you like that, good for you and I understand the producing side since that's probably what sells. However when I spend my money I do it on stuff that is focused on SHIP and not just getting the actress naked.

[viking]

I favor superheroine peril, capture and domination followed by escape or ulltimate victory. If the porn aspect of the film is tied to the domination and/or humilation of a courageous, virtuous heroine, I find it acceptable. However, I am not at all interested if the point of the film is to show a person or persons in heroine costumes having sex. I am concerned about the number of films that have the herone turn into a wanton sex adict simple by being exposed to a "magic" crystal, pixie dust (aka phernomes), or in some cases a just a vibrator. The heroines in these fiims don't seem to be either super or heroic. I understand that there are fans of mind control that find this entertaining, but it does seem that there is far more porn than peril being produced recently.

[Unmaskee]

Very interesting to see that pretty much everyone agrees that they'd rather it be straight superheroine domination action without the sex element and yet pretty much all the vids by our well known producers follow the porn route pretty much. I wonder if they're capturing more mass market people with that...

[spellbinder superheroine]

whatever happened to the damsel in distress type atmosphere, concentrating on the capturing and luring. most of the fun is getting lured and walking into a trap or two, or getting, put out of the way for awhile until the criminal loots the city. thats what excites me about the whole thing. just my two cents.

[greenknight]

I actually do prefer the sexual element - the more hardcore for me, the better. I do, however, agree with the following points:

1) The heroine should remain defiant and true to her nature as a heroine. She should never give in to the villain ravishing her. I don't mind a forced orgasm but it should be just that - forced. By the same token, if the villain is trying to give her pleasure, sexual or otherwise, doesn't that go against their nature as an evil doer too? A villain should be doing what they're doing for their gratification and no one else. I guess I like a nice stark line between the actions of a heroine and a villain. A villain calling a heroine a slut is not derogatory if it's true.

2) The heroine should keep the majority of her costume on, especially when being violated. As many have voiced before, the costume is one of the most defining elements of a heroine. Otherwise it comes awful close to regular porn. One of the reasons I like pantyhose (other than their downright sexiness) is the fact that they can be incorporated into the costume and still remain on while allowing for sexual activity - a neat hole in the gusset and viola, instant access with minimal damage to an otherwise expensive costume (plus they look damn good ). They say the clothes make the man, but to me the costume makes the heroine.

There does not seem to be many hardcore scenes where you have a defiant-till-the-end heroine being captured and sexually violated with most of her costume on. The villain either ends up removing most/all of her costume and has sex with her or leaves the costume on and does some fondling. Or you have the mainstream porn companies where all the sex is consensual (although the Batgirl/Joker scene from "The Dark Knight XXX" was a pleasantly surprising exception).

Just my preferences.

[Mr. X]

Well a blocker to non-consenting content is the fact that r*pe style content can get banned. The porn industry has some strict guidelines. So probably a lot of producers avoid the reference.

[ovid36]

I like the seduction more than the porn. Kissing, yes. Groping yes. Seeing her get wet through the costume... yes. Flat out porn? meh. I was actually kinda disappointed in the much awaited Heroine Transformations for just this reason.

[DevilMan38]

I don't have a problem with there being a porn element to these videos ( in fact I tend to find peril or bondage only videos anti climatic no pun intended!); fondling, kissing, groping, even forced orgasms are all good with me.
What I do have a problem with is porn at the expense of eveything else. Captures and knock outs are glossed over, traps are almost unheard of and dialogue is either non exsistent or ad-libbed (badly at that!).
So many of the elements that make the superheroine fetish what it is are being ignored; we don't see heroines being lured into a trap, or see them getting the upper hand before being taken down.

A typical scenario instead is - girl in a costume walks into a room (usually a lounge or bedroom with no attempt at set dressing) and gets zapped in three seconds flat. Then comes ten minutes of de-booting, foot worship, ball gags and magic wanding. And what kills the whole thing for me is that the heroine is always into it.
Rape scenarios do put producers on dodgy ground, and yes, a lot of models feel uncomfortable with that kind of content, but it doesn't have to be full on sex. Non consensual groping and touching, with the heroine squirming under the villainesses wandering hands would be enough (for me at any rate). Add some peril, some dialogue and perhaps an unmasking and you could have something very special.
I agree with Greenkinight too; a forced orgasm should be forced, not willingly surrendered too.

If I'm brutally honest, I'm not seeing a lot of love for the genre out there these days; just a lot of costumed porn that leaves me cold, and leaves my credit card in my wallet.

[Unmaskee]

I can entirely do without the sexual stuff. Just simply a heroine getting defeated is good enough for me. Better in fact. However I can understand a need for the sexual element to bring in more customers.

And yes I agree that the costume should remain as intact as possible.

[Heroine Addict]

Bear in mind that porn and comedy are transformative genres. That seems to be the only reason why DC and Marvel haven't shut down every single fetish video which parodies their copyright characters.

If people want straightforward peril with no porn/parody aspect, they'll probably have to look for original material such as the Stormy Tempest and Next Global Crisis videos. Familiar characters like Batgirl and Wonder Woman are off-limits due to the legal clout of their owners.