SHIP Golden Age has passed

[Ernie]

I'm finding it harder and harder to find videos that interest me. Years ago we enjoyed an embarrassment of riches. Rye and TBFE were regularly releasing their own stories. Bluestone had a run of producing excellent videos. Numerous other producers were busy and some of their vids were great. The Japanese videos were amazing and Korea's Wildkat was looking so promising. But the marketplace has changed. Many producers only do customs now. Others have disappeared. Much content has moved in the direction of more hardcore films. Akiba has moved increasingly into disturbingly young performers. NGC and the odd Kandy video are where most of my purchases go now. I bought several Hotfighters vids starring the lovely Sonya, but apparently she's moving on. SHL is very high quality, but too extreme for my taste. Lucia is daring and innovative, but also generally has a lot of harder edged stuff that doesn't work for me.

It's weird. my tastes haven't changed much, but where a lot of content used to appeal, now very little does. It makes me miss the "old days" where I had to pick and choose what to buy. These days I keep waiting for something appealing to come along and often go weeks and weeks without making a purchase, even though I want to.

[batgirl1969]

Have you seen Evgulick photography? WOW they are hitting a lot of Superheroine magic show type and heroine peril that I have not seen in years!! Wonder if they are a member here??

[Mr. X]

I think producers get burned out or in a rut. Gigafreak is now literally the same plot over and over with just a new girl. My stuff gets stale too after a while.

[HeroineTard]

I find a lot of the recent western produced content is an immediate turn off because the costume is way too slutty. Like they are wearing a G-string bikini or super high cut leo that no self respecting superheroine would ever wear. The platform boots used in most vudeos are also quite aweful. It instantly turns it into a cheap porno rather than a superheroine experience.

I dunno, there is something alluring about maintaining some modesty / conservatism in the heroine. It almost ruins the mood seeing the actress struggle and fidget with their costume in literally every scene because the slightest movement makes the costume get buried in their crotch.

The Korean producer WildKat, despite his issues, did manage to produce some great work. In my opinion his final products are generally better than western producers because he focuses on the details and isn't flat out making a porno. Just look at the WW costume in his movies vs other producers, it actually looks like a superheroine outfit you'd see in a TV production and not hyper sexualized.

[scwank]

I agree with Ernie on the hardcore stuff. I like some peril, but can do without the extreme stuff. I'm looking forward to the next Project Superwoman video, which seems like it is getting closer (finally), and hope it's the usual high quality he puts out, with some peril mixed in.

I find a lot of the recent western produced content is an immediate turn off because the costume is way too slutty. Like they are wearing a G-string bikini or super high cut leo that no self respecting superheroine would ever wear. The platform boots used in most vudeos are also quite aweful. It instantly turns it into a cheap porno rather than a superheroine experience.

I dunno, there is something alluring about maintaining some modesty / conservatism in the heroine. It almost ruins the mood seeing the actress struggle and fidget with their costume in literally every scene because the slightest movement makes the costume get buried in their crotch.

The Korean producer WildKat, despite his issues, did manage to produce some great work. In my opinion his final products are generally better than western producers because he focuses on the details and isn't flat out making a porno. Just look at the WW costume in his movies vs other producers, it actually looks like a superheroine outfit you'd see in a TV production and not hyper sexualized.

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Even ones that aren't too nuts have gotten so high cut in the side to be absurd, for my tastes at least. Or maybe I'm just conditioned to like the second Lynda Carter Wonder Woman costume, which was cut high enough to be sexy, but not silly, and didn't create strange lines by going up above the hip bone.

[Ernie]

Yeah, I agree on the costumes. With so many productions being customs now, the taste of the customer comes first. It seems like the people with money for customs want slutty costumes and tons of rapey sex. I just want content that delves further into SHIP than movies or TV can usually deliver, not the blatant porn so many productions feature now.

[MightyHypnotic]

As a former "golden era" producer and possible future producer, you definitely get in a rut. I think customs are an easy way out of that. Once you go down that path it's an easier workflow instead of trying to come up with ideas, script them out, etc. etc.

[Mr. X]

Also Only Fans kind of killed the industry. Why be a model and make money doing videos when you can have an OF site and do whatever you want and not have to deal with producers. Super heroine is pretty niche. May not sell as well as feet or hard core or whatever. Katsumi Squirts makes a heck of a lot of money and she's not doing super heroine stuff that I know of.

[Mr. X]

I agree with Ernie on the hardcore stuff. I like some peril, but can do without the extreme stuff. I'm looking forward to the next Project Superwoman video, which seems like it is getting closer (finally), and hope it's the usual high quality he puts out, with some peril mixed in.

I also agree. If giga would just bind and gag their heroines now and then without it being some extreme knot work and set up for sex then it would be more fun. Also some producers here have gorgeous models but never tie them up. Not sure if that's a model issue. everything just seems to be a porn flic.

[xxxwarriorxxx]

Perhaps I’m in the minority, but I really enjoyed the high cut outfits that the ladies wore at Superheroine Central. They showed off their amazing hips and legs.
Some that come to my mind immediately are Ultra Girls outfit vs the two burglars where she is chloroformed. All time favorite movie there.

Leslie Culton/Vanessa Harding as Stinger filled out that costume perfectly.


Sooperhero.com was great with those outfits too.

I would probably side with you that the Golden Age is in the rear view mirror (Newphx, paragon, pulpfrictionvideo, etc) however there are still plenty of phenomenal producers out there. You’re right though, that in the late 90s to about 2019-2020? They used to churn out superheroine movies like a car factory.

Maybe COVID had something to do with it?

[Dazzle1]

As a former "golden era" producer and possible future producer, you definitely get in a rut. I think customs are an easy way out of that. Once you go down that path it's an easier workflow instead of trying to come up with ideas, script them out, etc. etc.

As a consumer, I agree about failing into a rut; but thats the nature of entertainment, movie,video and books.

Early on I remember that fetish was either very tame or very hard core with the emphasis of pain and torture.

The key is to find new resources or studios

[the123]

if anyone wants to see new superheroine things check out my custom page

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[CIA]

Great topic! For me the peak was probably the Tanya Danielle, Paris Kennedy, Hollywood years. Loved the costumes and the bodies- fit, huge boobs and tight asses. There's so much content from that era it's incredible. I'm excited to see what clever producers can come up with AI to superimpose those sort of girls into other films. For me real sex is a must with emphasis on bondage.

The problem with producers today is that the girls they seem to hire aren't nearly as fit and attractive. It's rare to see someone with a real rockin body and sex appeal. Most of the girls act like they're too good to be there. Cali Logan is a prime example. She was super hot when she was younger but her looks have faded along with the quality of her videos. I could go on. Paris Dylan could have been one of the greats but stopped her career prematurely. The queen for me (maybe it's my age) is Lynda is the original TV series. I would pay huge money to see someone replicate some of those episodes with a AI model and hardcore scenes.

You guys are a great resource. I appreciate your forum.

[Dazzle1]

Great topic! For me the peak was probably the Tanya Danielle, Paris Kennedy, Hollywood years. Loved the costumes and the bodies- fit, huge boobs and tight asses. There's so much content from that era it's incredible. I'm excited to see what clever producers can come up with AI to superimpose those sort of girls into other films. For me real sex is a must with emphasis on bondage.

The problem with producers today is that the girls they seem to hire aren't nearly as fit and attractive. It's rare to see someone with a real rockin body and sex appeal. Most of the girls act like they're too good to be there. Cali Logan is a prime example. She was super hot when she was younger but her looks have faded along with the quality of her videos. I could go on. Paris Dylan could have been one of the greats but stopped her career prematurely. The queen for me (maybe it's my age) is Lynda is the original TV series. I would pay huge money to see someone replicate some of those episodes with a AI model and hardcore scenes.

You guys are a great resource. I appreciate your forum.

I agree with your point about real sex(or convincing enough) with the bondage

[Mr. X]

The problem with producers today is that the girls they seem to hire aren't nearly as fit and attractive.

Probably those girls moved onto Only Fans. OF dried up the pool.

[CIA]

The problem with producers today is that the girls they seem to hire aren't nearly as fit and attractive.

Probably those girls moved onto Only Fans. OF dried up the pool.

So true. One of my ATF is Reiko from Giga. Her OF page is a fortune! She must really be cleaning. To be she had a near perfect body. I would pay a lot to see her videos minus the censoring and with subtitles. She would have been such a huge star over here.

[bushwackerbob]

I wish so much of softcore SHIP content was not derived from customs. I suspect these studios would have much more creative and outside the box offerings if they were not so beholden to those folks.

[Mr. X]

The problem with producers today is that the girls they seem to hire aren't nearly as fit and attractive.

Probably those girls moved onto Only Fans. OF dried up the pool.

So true. One of my ATF is Reiko from Giga. Her OF page is a fortune! She must really be cleaning. To be she had a near perfect body. I would pay a lot to see her videos minus the censoring and with subtitles. She would have been such a huge star over here.

I think I know the model. Yes she is 100%.

[MightyHypnotic]

Yeah but that is Giga. Whole different animal.
Most models here will work for established or semi-established producers even if their onlyfans are kicking. Being able to walk in to a shoot for 3 - 5 hours and get paid still has allure. No editing, no interaction, no hiring, no costume shopping, no scenery or prop purchasing, it has it's advantages.

[SHL]

Paris Dylan could have been one of the greats but stopped her career prematurely.

Paris Dylan got married to a rockstar. She turned down the peanuts and got the whole pie factory. IMO that wasn't a premature end by any means

[SHL]

SHL is very high quality, but too extreme for my taste.

I do resent this sentiment and its shared by many people not just you.

I think I offer the widest variety of 'tone' you can find in the genre. Examples being my original Wonder Woman series with Hannah Perez, a few years ago the collaboration I did with Ultraheroix, my softcore / hardcore content and then the more extreme stuff like Killing Joke with Ashley Lane.

People often like to peg me into this 'dangerous hardcore producer' box because of my more recent work, while ignoring the span of the content I have made for the last decade + of my superheroine directing career.

I also offer the widest price range in the business from $15 dollars - $100 pending the production cost of said film.

I do agree - the Golden Age is over. There seems to be no new young blood in this game. I was one of the youngest directors doing it when I was 20-21. And I am still one of the youngest now at 36. I think over the next decade a lot of directors/producers are going to retire out of the business and I have seen no movement of new young and hungry people entering the fray - it just seems there was a generational lapse in the young being wired of such content (maybe thats for the best). I know that I personally got here because of reruns of the 66 Batman and 70s Wonder Woman series. That was some kinky shit for a kids to be watching.

I do think 'Customs' are killing the genre, in that customs are uniquely crafted to the kinks of individuals who weren't happy with the wider audience appeal content (hence why its a custom to begin with) and that in turn produces a lot of content thats uninspired, not appealing enough for a wider audience and doesn't have that 'passion' that can make your heart skip a couple beats

BUT

Let's not pretend 'Customs' taking over the business is that surprising. Making original content thats fully self funded is a massive financial risk. If people don't buy your self funded content - you can go belly up real fast. The purchasing audience back like around 2013ish plummeted. I have heard stories of the kind of money that was in the genre in the early 2000s (which I personally didn't see) and I am telling you now - its not that business anymore.

So if less people are buying - you have less guaranteed sales - your audience likes to take the piss out of you in the comment sections - your audience illegally uploads and shares your content - then... customs are the safe bet.

You can at the very least make sure the films won't cost you anything for making them. You can defer criticism if people don't like it to the customer who purchased the custom. It's a successful way to run a business in the longterm, as it has less risk.

The Golden Age - IMO was only possible when the audience was in a desert and everyone was thirsty. In the early 2000s - this kind of content didn't exist, so people were happy with anything. The MCU didn't exist yet, Cosplayers werent making Hollywood quality costumes, Youtube didn't exist, you could barely download a 10 minute clip on the internet. IT WAS ALL NEW AND IT WAS ALL EXCITING

Today - we are beyond saturated. MCU / DCU / CW / Amazon / Web series / Pro Cosplayers / OnlyFans / YouTube / almost 20 years of superheroine themed fetish content at the mercy of your finger tips on a keyboard!

People now are more excited about tracking down DVDs of fetish films from the 2000s that are out of print. Or rewatching the 66 and 70s superhero shows. Or reflecting on the Golden Age of what content introduced them into this genre.

We (Producers/Directors) have SPOILED this audience rotten. And now the audience needs a miracle to get their collective dick hard about anything. People are getting to the point where they need to know the dimensions of the heel of the boot before they can be bothered to look at the leg above it (maybe thats a bit too dramatic). People are DIALED IN to what they like. Everyone has a unique taste profile now, almost like a fingerprint, or what it takes for them to like the new shit.

Maybe the only real solution is less of it. Maybe this community needs to stop watching fetish films for awhile to reset their internal meter for what it takes for them to like whats out there. Maybe this town needs an enema and Joker is gonna give it to them!

As far as I am concerned - none of that matters. The work matters to me. I don't mind being the band playing the music while the Titanic sinks. For a lot of us - we were ahead of a whole planetary audience - knowing that women (and men) in tight spandex outfits had a magical quality. WE KNEW IT BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR. We knew it when it was a joke and fell out of favor in the 90s. And now its common place that this genre runs Hollywood, that it has saved theaters as we know it. I think at the very least there is something to be proud of in there.

But yes. The Golden Age is over. Long live the Golden Age.

[batgirl1969]

I LOVE SHL's work...especially Batgirl in prison and the killing joke!!! Damn!!! Makes me weak

[Mr. X]

Paris Dylan could have been one of the greats but stopped her career prematurely.

Paris Dylan got married to a rockstar. She turned down the peanuts and got the whole pie factory. IMO that wasn't a premature end by any means

Married Don McLean.

[Mr. X]

And now its common place that this genre runs Hollywood, that it has saved theaters as we know it. I think at the very least there is something to be proud of in there.

But yes. The Golden Age is over. Long live the Golden Age.

That's an interesting point since pretty much the only reason most people go to theaters are super heroes movies. Endgame was a huge hit.

[SHL]

And now its common place that this genre runs Hollywood, that it has saved theaters as we know it. I think at the very least there is something to be proud of in there.

But yes. The Golden Age is over. Long live the Golden Age.

That's an interesting point since pretty much the only reason most people go to theaters are super heroes movies. Endgame was a huge hit.

I also think all other big films that are doing well are just costume less superhero films. Fast and Furious since its 4th film has essentially become a superhero franchise. Mission Impossible has become that as well. They are copying a lot of the staples of the ‘super human’ genre

[Mr. X]

And now its common place that this genre runs Hollywood, that it has saved theaters as we know it. I think at the very least there is something to be proud of in there.

But yes. The Golden Age is over. Long live the Golden Age.

That's an interesting point since pretty much the only reason most people go to theaters are super heroes movies. Endgame was a huge hit.

I also think all other big films that are doing well are just costume less superhero films. Fast and Furious since its 4th film has essentially become a superhero franchise. Mission Impossible has become that as well. They are copying a lot of the staples of the ‘super human’ genre

True. Rom Coms are not bringing anyone into the movies. And childrens movies - its easier to rent the movie and watch at home.

[darious]

Damien - Can't say I disagree with you about most of your sentiments with regards to this niche. I've been a fan and patron of this niche for a VERY LONG time (think back to the days of dial-up modems/BBS chat rooms)...

Speaking as a long time vet...it's true that the niche peaked the interest of a wider audience and there were far more producers creating content in the early 2000's...which has greatly diminished over the past 5-10 years ..

Aside from the 'customs', which is obviously the only thing keeping this niche afloat....it seems as though the 'talent pool' (i.e., models) has greatly diminished as well...Save for a few 'dedicated' models (e.g., Coco)....another issue (IMO) is a lack of talent available in the niche to keep things fresh/varied. I think SHL is the one site where I see different models on most new releases...

That's not really the case on most SH Fetish/Productions... as the talent pool is VERY limited...Obviously, attracting new talent requires incentives ($$$) which no doubt is severely impacted by diminishing ROI due to rampant file sharing

One question/idea that's always crossed my mind is why this niche never really adopted a 'streaming' only (no downloads) business model to help reduce/eliminate file sharing of uploaded content on various file sharing sites???

I get that a 'pay per minute' or 'online rental' business model may not be as lucrative as selling 'downloadable content'. ...But the unintended affect of having all content available for 'download'....is the proliferation of file-sharing.....which is obviously far more damning in terms of lost revenue....

Just my thoughts...

[SHL]

Damien - Can't say I disagree with you about most of your sentiments with regards to this niche. I've been a fan and patron of this niche for a VERY LONG time (think back to the days of dial-up modems/BBS chat rooms)...

Speaking as a long time vet...it's true that the niche peaked the interest of a wider audience and there were far more producers creating content in the early 2000's...which has greatly diminished over the past 5-10 years ..

Aside from the 'customs', which is obviously the only thing keeping this niche afloat....it seems as though the 'talent pool' (i.e., models) has greatly diminished as well...Save for a few 'dedicated' models (e.g., Coco)....another issue (IMO) is a lack of talent available in the niche to keep things fresh/varied. I think SHL is the one site where I see different models on most new releases...

That's not really the case on most SH Fetish/Productions... as the talent pool is VERY limited...Obviously, attracting new talent requires incentives ($$$) which no doubt is severely impacted by diminishing ROI due to rampant file sharing

One question/idea that's always crossed my mind is why this niche never really adopted a 'streaming' only (no downloads) business model to help reduce/eliminate file sharing of uploaded content on various file sharing sites???

I get that a 'pay per minute' or 'online rental' business model may not be as lucrative as selling 'downloadable content'. ...But the unintended affect of having all content available for 'download'....is the proliferation of file-sharing.....which is obviously far more damning in terms of lost revenue....

Just my thoughts...

The 'Model Pool' is complicated.

I do think in fact - there are a decent amount of performers who are no longer hirable due to the success of their OF accounts (Alina Lopez being a good example). But I don't think this is the primary reason for a 'model drought' as you could argue OF has converted more women into sex work than converted sex workers into exclusive producers of their own content. If anything I imagine OF becoming more normalized to our society has probably created a landslide of potential new talent to work with as more young women will feel more comfortable exploring the sex work industry, who ten years ago socially wouldn't risk the backlash.

I am one of the few superheroine producers who shoots in LA. Most of the directors featured on SHG are from roughly the same area (Seattle/Portland). You could kind of see that in releases historically - when a traveling model would go Northwest they would then be slatted to appear in a lot of those directors work all at the same time.

The pandemic I know shut down the Northwest for a long while as that first year it was too high risk to shoot this kind of content, so a lot of models stopped traveling, and a lot of directors choose to stay safe vs risk the health risk. I don't know we have fully recovered from that as some talent that I know decided around that time to no longer do travel gigs, as the first year of the pandemic showed them what life could be like without living across the country in a car hunting for more work.

I didn't end up in the same situation - I went to LA at the height of the pandemic and shot roughly 6 films with those who kept working. Batgirl The Prison, Wonder Woman The Harvest, Spider-Girl Multiverse Monster, Supergirl brothers Vengeance, Batgirl Double Crossed, Wonder Woman Recon Interrupted - were all shot in the same month. Things at that time were so bad in LA - the hotel almost didn't let me book a room but had mercy on me.

To work with the talent I want to work with - I will go anywhere. I will go to NY, I will go to LA, I will go to London. Whatever it takes. Most people don't have the luxury to do such things and to be honest - it can take the piss out of you.

Another aspect of the 'Model Pool' is also about taking chances with new talent - you never know when hiring someone new if they can pull off a convincing superhero, if they can throw a fake punch, etc. On boarding a new heroine takes work and risk. I imagine a lot of people who order customs - just ask for proven talent they have seen from other films. In that sense - customs may actually be preventing more new talent from appearing in these films both in custom requests as well as making the danger of hiring unproven talent on your own dime feel less appealing.

It can also be political. Some directors don't like 'sharing' talent and it can become a territory thing. They won't help you hire someone they have worked with, or will encourage someone not to work with you, so the only work someone gets is through them. The less work someone gets in the fetish industry - the more likely they are too leave it.

So I think all of things are factors into what people might be saying when they say there is a modeling pool issue. The pandemic and OnlyFans changed things, where models travel too isnt the same, customs maybe factoring into rotating proven talent, less original content means less people take risk on hiring fresh faces, the older we directors get the less likely someone will travel to the talent becomes. It kind of creates the illusion that the modeling pool is shrinking. But I dunno, maybe it is.

LAST THOUGHTS ON THE 'MODELING POOL'

Taboo content is under some scrutiny recently with OF becoming bigger - credit card processors reacted by becoming more puritanical, places like clips4sale and OF then clamp down on 'taboo content'. This genre reeks of taboo content: chloroform, hypnosis, CNC, superheroines getting beaten to a pulp, etc. Even if a film doesn't have nudity - the second a rag goes over someones mouth it becomes problematic to place into the free market.

I think this does affect the work that some people will allow to happen. I have had a couple 'model agents' outright refuse to even tell their talent I wanted to hire them, just having me run in circles pretending they were inquiring with their models when in reality - they never had any intention of letting me hire anyone they managed. Now I don't know thats because of the taboo nature of the content, but I can say it didn't happen to me before but happened a couple times last year. It got so bad I took a trip to LA for two weeks and didn't make a single film cause agents essentially walled me out of their talent pools.

All this stuff can intertwine and change how things work. It's harder to incentivize a model with content sharing when... she can't sell the content you shoot with her on OF. Leaves you less to barter with.

STREAMING

I have a lot of thoughts on this one. The primary one being a moral stance: I don't believe in people paying for content and not getting to keep it.

As someone who loves to collect films (blu-rays) and music (vinyl records) I value the ability to own the work I love. I also believe creatives should keep control over the ownership of their work and thought it was cool when Taylor Swift re-recorded all her albums to gain control over her art.

I don't think of myself as a pornographer, but a filmmaker who is comfortable with porn. All of you only know me as Damien Woods - the superheroine porn director, while in fact I have spent a lifetime as an artist who is known in my social circle for mediums I choose to explore - artist/painter/photographer/filmmaker. I went to art school. My thesis project was a short film. It was not about superheroines... lol

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN WATERMARKING MY FILMS. Every frame a painting (shoutout to anyone who knows the reference). I don't care if I am making an indie film shot for a film festival, or if I am making a fetish film for internet perverts - there is a sanctity to film, there is a sanctity to art. If someone wants to buy my films and add it to their collection - I respect that human instinct to own and worship.

Does that put me at the risk of losing revenue? Maybe. Hollywood - a billion dollar industry (or is it a trillion dollar industry? I dunno, don't care to look it up) can't even protect their own product. Across the Spider Verse was being streamed on TikTok the same week it was released. If Hollywood can't stop that with the money they have - how could I? The internet is a complicated place and its so easy to copy and replicate data

I decided back in 2020 to take another approach - I literally wrote an article on Heroine Movies about it. I wrote about how file sharing was killing my business. How maybe I would create a members only website to sell new films, amongst other things. And I was met with A LOT OF CRITICISM! Internally (my peers) and externally (the audience)

The arguments then if I could remember correctly were - that my films sucked and thats why no one was buying them, that it had nothing to do with file sharing. Or that I was just a cry baby. Insiders in the industry told me I shouldn't even acknowledge the fact that illegal streams existed, that it would only encourage the audience to seek them out. I think as far as I am aware I might be the only, if not count us on your hand, superheroine director who was publicly acknowledged that illegal streaming was actively fucking my business and life. I remember when I released Supergirl Brothers Vengeance - someone leaked it only a couple days after I began selling it. And SALES PLUMMETEDDDDD

I bring this up because in fact = telling people I was struggling seemed to work. That year I probably for the first time in a long time, saw a lack of my work being stolen and displayed on illegal streaming sites compared to what I had been use too. Eventually - that goodwill wore off. But I genuinely think most people didn't even consider piracy was hurting this genre. It was almost as if they hadn't even considered it.

(Side note: I remember even talking to pirates in DMs asking them kindly to not leak my film until at least two months after release, as a middle ground to at least let me hit profit, they were very cool about it. It was complicated... but... they took down their posts for a couple months so thats saying something!)

If I had a choice between...

A) My site doesn't let you download but my profits increase

vs

B) My site lets you download but my profits decrease

Then I am picking B. I don't give a fuck. I don't believe in selling an empty box.

I rather humiliate myself and ask my pirates to kindly fuck me softly. All of you deserve the ability to download and own the films that you purchase. I just wish less people had the desire to create a genre cancer by sharing what they buy.

But... thats show business baby!

[Femina]

There's nothing 'inspiring' the fetish from the outside at all. We're passing the 'embarrassment of riches' phase of superheroes in the limelight... and the ratio of female heroes involves was worse than it's ever been ANYWHERE at any other time, in any other medium. For almost an entire decade, the only heroine in the EXPLODING MCU was Black Widow, a mortal woman. There's a SMALL chance this changes IF the next few phases of Marvel can turn shit around and get to put out more films about some actual superHEROINES, and should they manage to stabilize interest long enough for viewers to be okay with female protagonists going through the same hurdles and perils that a male protagonist is allowed to go through, but that's the MOST OPTIMISTIC outlook possible... a super long shot at the TAIL END of the Superhero craze is when all the Superheroine shit is coming out... most probably to late.

I've said it before. Without superheroines on the big screen this was always going to die out, the more convinced Hollywood was that people won't watch a woman on the big screen the worse the situation got. The more uptight and picky people were OVER how the heroines are portrayed the worse it got.

This website is no innocence here. The Captain Marvel debacle here mirrored the response everywhere, Sasha Calle got an endless torrent of BS here as well. Y'all are not OPEN to any modern superheroine stuff, you're content to dream hazy 60's nostalgia and feelings you had as a youth that were only strong or powerful specifically BECAUSE you were young... and all the resistance we give to EVERY SINGLE attempt to do a superheroine film in the mainstream only serves to cut off the legs of the very fetish we participate in.

If 50% of the entire staple of MCU and DCU films made over the last 20 years had been superheroine films, we'd have new blood. We'd have had our 'blonde, blue eyed, Supergirl in a skirt' film instead of the FOURTH Batman series reboot. We got 4 Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America films instead. We got Batman, Batman, Batman and Batman instead.... and nothing I've EVER seen written in these VERY halls has convinced me that here was any less part of bringing about the state of the fetish we live in today than out there. Now I'm not saying our little corner ever had the POWER or PRESENCE to make a difference in the way culture shook out, but the culture and situation here, was pretty much the culture and situation out there, just with vastly more interest in Yvone Craig and Christina Carter than the average corner of the net.

[SHL]

This website is no innocence here. The Captain Marvel debacle here mirrored the response everywhere, Sasha Calle got an endless torrent of BS here as well. Y'all are not OPEN to any modern superheroine stuff, you're content to dream hazy 60's nostalgia and feelings you had as a youth that were only strong or powerful specifically BECAUSE you were young... and all the resistance we give to EVERY SINGLE attempt to do a superheroine film in the mainstream only serves to cut off the legs of the very fetish we participate in.

While I agree with some of your sentiment - I disagree with the tone to turn this thread into some condemnation of the members of this forum. We don't need every thread here to become some argument of social morality.

I hope that future posters on this thread will continue to focus on the conversation about the Golden Age of SHIP and not repeat what happened over on the conversation about Sasha Calle.

I for one... like to reminisce about the good ole days. Nothing like that $25 dollar subscription for weekly 4 minute clip drops. How we miss you desert water... how we miss you

[Femina]

This website is no innocence here. The Captain Marvel debacle here mirrored the response everywhere, Sasha Calle got an endless torrent of BS here as well. Y'all are not OPEN to any modern superheroine stuff, you're content to dream hazy 60's nostalgia and feelings you had as a youth that were only strong or powerful specifically BECAUSE you were young... and all the resistance we give to EVERY SINGLE attempt to do a superheroine film in the mainstream only serves to cut off the legs of the very fetish we participate in.

While I agree with some of your sentiment - I disagree with the tone to turn this thread into some condemnation of the members of this forum. We don't need every thread here to become some argument of social morality.

I hope that future posters on this thread will continue to focus on the conversation about the Golden Age of SHIP and not repeat what happened over on the conversation about Sasha Calle.

I for one... like to reminisce about the good ole days. Nothing like that $25 dollar subscription for weekly 4 minute clip drops. How we miss you desert water... how we miss you

Fair enough, it's NOT really my intent to say that it's our FAULT and perhaps came off more accusatory than intended as well, I was mostly just sort of cataloguing the situation that brought us here as I see it. As said above, we're FAR to small to matter that much... even if we could have collected EVERY SHiP corner of the entire internet I doubt that SHiP ever had the presence to popularize a thing enough to make it culture... but like... we didn't even try to get out of our own way.

[Mr. X]

This website is no innocence here. The Captain Marvel debacle here mirrored the response everywhere, Sasha Calle got an endless torrent of BS here as well. Y'all are not OPEN to any modern superheroine stuff, you're content to dream hazy 60's nostalgia and feelings you had as a youth that were only strong or powerful specifically BECAUSE you were young... and all the resistance we give to EVERY SINGLE attempt to do a superheroine film in the mainstream only serves to cut off the legs of the very fetish we participate in.

Because there is nothing really fetish sexy about Capt Marvel, not like Helen Slater Supergirl or Yvonne Craig Batgirl levels. Brie is an angry Karen. And my guess is there was nothing sexy in the Batgirl movie and the Black Widow movie had no real kink to it. And we don't see a lot of Sasha in the movie but what she did do was OK and probably some kink stuff will come out.

Can't replace someone's fine columbian coffee with foldger's crystals and expect people to drink it.

And nobody is using this web site as a dipstick to measure anything. Basically the current crop of offerings offer nothing to the level of kink we used to have. Things are not interchangeable. A dodge dart is not a Lamborghini simply because they are cars.

I'm sure there are some Brie Larson Capt Marvel fetishists out there but I would imagine most of the producers are not getting requests or selling loads of material. The classic WW suit, Supergirl etc with well built women seem to sell more.

When's the last time you saw leg, skin or ass in one of these movies that wasn't Chris Hemsworth or Henry Cavil or Jason Mamoa? A solid pair of good boobs? One movie. A nice ass shot that was more than 3 seconds.

[SHL]

Fair enough, it's NOT really my intent to say that it's our FAULT and perhaps came off more accusatory than intended as well, I was mostly just sort of cataloguing the situation that brought us here as I see it. As said above, we're FAR to small to matter that much... even if we could have collected EVERY SHiP corner of the entire internet I doubt that SHiP ever had the presence to popularize a thing enough to make it culture... but like... we didn't even try to get out of our own way.

As someone who sells fetish films I can say this - there have been a couple notable names in the 'industry' who have bought my work in the last 14 years. And there have been a couple eye bulging moments when watching Hollywood films that lead me to believe there is direct correlated influence we have had. I dunno I am bold enough to say out loud what those moments were but there have been times where I would be lying if I didn't see someone buy one of my films and then years later see some ideas that felt a little too close to home.

That includes costuming. Back in the day there were 'pieces' needed for things like Wonder Womans chest emblem and the like, I dunno I can mention who - but me and some others were hiring sculptors to make things to our specifications. Granted - we couldn't afford to pay them enough to only make these sculptured items for US, so our seed funding and specifications created items that were mass produced and sold to the costuming market at large. I have seen pieces that I hired people to make - becoming staples in the cosplay community and a decent amount of those cosplayers gained enough momentum to appear on comic book covers in costumes that featured accessories that I paid into existence. Those cosplayers were wooed by the industry to red carpets... taking pictures in their cosplays next to the MCU/DCU actors themselves.

There is no reality in which Hollywood costume designers aren't google image searching cosplay designs to inspire their work and not seeing the byproducts of the fetish industry reflected back in those images. Google any popular character followed by 'cosplay' into an image search and for years at a time they were bringing up our images (the collective we/our). The people who are writing these films, the people who are drawing the comics... they are amongst us. Maybe not in these forums but... I have said too much

[Femina]

This website is no innocence here. The Captain Marvel debacle here mirrored the response everywhere, Sasha Calle got an endless torrent of BS here as well. Y'all are not OPEN to any modern superheroine stuff, you're content to dream hazy 60's nostalgia and feelings you had as a youth that were only strong or powerful specifically BECAUSE you were young... and all the resistance we give to EVERY SINGLE attempt to do a superheroine film in the mainstream only serves to cut off the legs of the very fetish we participate in.

Because there is nothing really fetish sexy about Capt Marvel, not like Helen Slater Supergirl or Yvonne Craig Batgirl levels. Brie is an angry Karen. And my guess is there was nothing sexy in the Batgirl movie and the Black Widow movie had no real kink to it. And we don't see a lot of Sasha in the movie but what she did do was OK and probably some kink stuff will come out.

Can't replace someone's fine columbian coffee with foldger's crystals and expect people to drink it.

And nobody is using this web site as a dipstick to measure anything. Basically the current crop of offerings offer nothing to the level of kink we used to have. Things are not interchangeable. A dodge dart is not a Lamborghini simply because they are cars.

I'm sure there are some Brie Larson Capt Marvel fetishists out there but I would imagine most of the producers are not getting requests or selling loads of material. The classic WW suit, Supergirl etc with well built women seem to sell more.

When's the last time you saw leg, skin or ass in one of these movies that wasn't Chris Hemsworth or Henry Cavil or Jason Mamoa? A solid pair of good boobs? One movie. A nice ass shot that was more than 3 seconds.

Look it's NOT your fault, i'ts no one here's 'fault' and any indication that I thought it WAS up above was unintended. That particular post came off more accusatory than it was intended to be. There's not meant to be any judgment here, just the situation as I perceive it.

You and I have talked circles about this enough anyway, it's not worth either of our time. I'll tell you 'it doesn't matter if it's not sexy' representation allowed to flourish will EVENTUALLY funnel into representation in the sphere and design you'd LIKE it to, i.e. if we get out of the way EVENTUALLY we'll GET something sexy (but it needs to be MORE than just US obviously... it needs to be EVERYONE out of the way). You'll tell me 'I shouldn't have to consume a thing that doesn't interest me' and you'd be perfectly right, and round and round we'll go and all of it won't change the fact that without superheroines on the big screen, there was never going to be new blood injected into the community. Hang it all, the facts have always been that without STUFF to inspire the fetish, there won't be people looking for STUFF. No one needed to LOVE Captain Marvel here... but you coulda all gotten out of your own way rather than picking up the pitchforks and marching alongside the folk looking to burn the film at the stake, and just as a reminder here, that movie STILL SOLD fine! But the atmosphere around it STILL lingers. That's really all anyone COULD have done anyway... we just needed to be excited about the prospect of the MCU FINALLY making superheroine movies... but it wasn't the atmosphere here. The atmosphere here, was pixel perfect, the atmosphere elsewhere... and it's just that I'm talking about. The 'atmosphere' and it's that atmosphere that tricks film makers into believing that superheroine films couldn't sell (even as they WERE selling) it's that atmosphere that left us with Black Widow as the sole heroine in the MCU for decades.

That atmosphere which, worth noting, is LARGELY gone now... at least so far as the MCU's willingness to make movies with women in them is concerned... it's just to late. The Superhero craze is dying, it MAY just die slow enough to get in enough superheroine flicks to maybe bring in a small injection of newblood?... but it's probably too little too late.

[Mr. X]

I think with the Hollywood stuff there is no attempt to introduce sexiness in the female costumes. Axel Braun (sp?) makes a much better Capt Marvel suit than the one Larson wore. And even a few years ago Laura Vandervoort on small ville was looking pretty amazing in her suit. Plus we got cheese cake bikini scenes etc. Nothing current is punching a little boy's horny sex drive in the nuts so they grow up wanting more.

As for famous people, our site had one member from North Korea.

[Danorian]

I think with the Hollywood stuff there is no attempt to introduce sexiness in the female costumes. Axel Braun (sp?) makes a much better Capt Marvel suit than the one Larson wore. And even a few years ago Laura Vandervoort on small ville was looking pretty amazing in her suit. Plus we got cheese cake bikini scenes etc. Nothing current is punching a little boy's horny sex drive in the nuts so they grow up wanting more.

As for famous people, our site had one member from North Korea.

Or in the Supergirl tv series in which Melissa looks meh in her costume, and good in her civvies. She even has tits(?) We know they had access to spandex with the "costume show" in the pilot, and the spandex abs revealing outfit! I just saw her costume, and got a tarp fabric feel!
And the less to be said about the bodysuit...
Laura was lovely as Supergirl IMHO, and a poorly used talent.

My 2 cents.

[Ernie]

Ernie wrote: ↑
16 hours ago
SHL is very high quality, but too extreme for my taste.

I do resent this sentiment and its shared by many people not just you.

I'm sorry that you resent my taste. I've purchased some of your videos, including recent ones that were discounted. You do great stuff, but I'm not drawn to the harder core aspects that you and other producers are releasing now. Emphasis on "now". Hence the passing of the Golden Age.

What I want isn't really done now. NGC comes close, but they don't explore ANY sexual themes. I'd so love to see a villain pull the front zipper down on Majesty's costume, but it will never happen. There's no middle ground anymore. It's essentially PG or raw porn.

I didn't mean to single you out for criticism. I didn't think I was criticizing you, I just don't prefer a lot of the content of your vids. You and TBFE and RYE and Lucia all now mostly specialize in content that doesn't work for me. That doesn't mean it's bad. It's clearly good content, just not the content that appeals to me. It's like the original audience for SHIP vids has fragmented into people who want lots of hardcore and people who want no sexual peril. Those of us in the middle have to scramble to find snippets that appeal to us.

[Femina]

I think with the Hollywood stuff there is no attempt to introduce sexiness in the female costumes. Axel Braun (sp?) makes a much better Capt Marvel suit than the one Larson wore. And even a few years ago Laura Vandervoort on small ville was looking pretty amazing in her suit. Plus we got cheese cake bikini scenes etc. Nothing current is punching a little boy's horny sex drive in the nuts so they grow up wanting more.

As for famous people, our site had one member from North Korea.

Or in the Supergirl tv series in which Melissa looks meh in her costume, and good in her civvies. She even has tits(?) We know they had access to spandex with the "costume show" in the pilot, and the spandex abs revealing outfit! I just saw her costume, and got a tarp fabric feel!
And the less to be said about the bodysuit...
Laura was lovely as Supergirl IMHO, and a poorly used talent.

My 2 cents.

IDK? Lot of people really like the TV Supergirl costume and the show probably was the biggest 'boost' this place got in terms of 'Supergirl' the character inspiration in a long time. They tend to hate her 'final seasons' look... but the one she wears for most of the series is 'fairly' close to what you'd expect to see of a 'classic' supergirl costume just a little darker for that 'cinematic' vibe... but the CW shows all suck, so they had low impact overall.

[SHL]

I'm sorry that you resent my taste.

I said I resent the sentiment (in regards to my work), not your taste. There’s a difference. I don’t think anyone can watch Blue Aegis and the Prison then utter “Damien Woods only makes ultra violent films now, not like the good ole days”. But people focus on what they focus on, which isn’t reality, just a vague idea they have of a thing but not the thing itself.

Granted it’s now sounding less like you were talking about The Golden Age and more like ‘your golden age’ aka when the content being made appealed to you, not when it appealed to everyone

But to each their own. I have people angry with me cause my films aren’t violent enough, others who think it’s too violent, and then those who claim they liked it better when I was the Old Kanye.

Can’t make everyone happy

[Dazzle1]

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

[Ernie]

Damien, it was never my intention to pick a fight with you. As I said, you're a high quality producer. As for "vague ideas", I think you're being a little disingenuous. I've purchased nine of your videos over the years during various sales. (I wait for sales not because I don't value your work enough to pay full price, but because I know a lot of the content won't be to my taste and I can't pay full price for a video that I'll only watch the first third of.) All nine videos feature heroines being violated against their will for a large portion of the run time. Nine out of nine is a long way from a vague idea.

This discussion is mostly moot to my main point: Most current quality producers are featuring a lot of pretty hardcore content in their videos. Most of them did much less of that in the past. The product has moved away from what it was in what I'm describing as the Golden Age of SHIP.

[spandex4fun]

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

[Femina]

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

That's literally just 'getting older' you start branching out into the 'new' less and sticking to what you remember and are comfortable with... everyone does this. Sorta why folk were talking about how we hadn't pulled in enough new blood. You need new YOUNG people to bring in new ideas and 'grow' a thing. Anything that never grows or changes eventually stagnates and dies.

[spandex4fun]

The thing is, I'm more open to new ideas & stories. One of my biggest problems, especially in mainstream media are that they now heavily rely on nostalgia by making reboots/remakes. As much as I like rewatching old franchises & all, not all of them have remakes/reboots. As much as Hollywood studios still the blame, the customers/fans are also at fault. Studio gonna continue to reality shows & franchises like the Fast series cuz ppl keep spending money & watching them.

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

That's literally just 'getting older' you start branching out into the 'new' less and sticking to what you remember and are comfortable with... everyone does this. Sorta why folk were talking about how we hadn't pulled in enough new blood. You need new YOUNG people to bring in new ideas and 'grow' a thing. Anything that never grows or changes eventually stagnates and dies.

[Femina]

The thing is, I'm more open to new ideas & stories. One of my biggest problems, especially in mainstream media are that they now heavily rely on nostalgia by making reboots/remakes. As much as I like rewatching old franchises & all, not all of them have remakes/reboots. As much as Hollywood studios still the blame, the customers/fans are also at fault. Studio gonna continue to reality shows & franchises like the Fast series cuz ppl keep spending money & watching them.

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

That's literally just 'getting older' you start branching out into the 'new' less and sticking to what you remember and are comfortable with... everyone does this. Sorta why folk were talking about how we hadn't pulled in enough new blood. You need new YOUNG people to bring in new ideas and 'grow' a thing. Anything that never grows or changes eventually stagnates and dies.

THAT'S late stage capitalism. All the high profile creators are either old rich guys.... or else more probably massive Corporations that are inherently inflexible because the only thing they know how to do is chase the impossible dream of perpetually increasing profits, which does not encourage trying new things... ever. Anyone who tells you Capitalism inspires creativity doesn't understand how the risk/reward element of actually making money works. This was ALSO inevitable... it's Capitalism getting older.

Even small creators are trapped in the system corpos have created because wheras there USED to be enough money to go around, corpos fighting for 60-70% of the wealth with the rest of us fighting over 30-40%.... wheras now it's more like corpos fighting over 95% with everyone else scraping by to accrue some of the leftover 5%. There isn't room for creativity there. You need to MAKE MONEY so you can either A: Make stupidly INCREASING profits for no logical reason as the corporation or B: Survive and eat dinner as one of the REST of the world cause basic needs must be met BEFORE creativity can thrive.

[spandex4fun]

Until ppl completely discard capitalism & open to new ideas, things ain't gonna change & we gonna continue getting the same, recycled stuff. That reality made me discouraged of sharing new ideas.

The thing is, I'm more open to new ideas & stories. One of my biggest problems, especially in mainstream media are that they now heavily rely on nostalgia by making reboots/remakes. As much as I like rewatching old franchises & all, not all of them have remakes/reboots. As much as Hollywood studios still the blame, the customers/fans are also at fault. Studio gonna continue to reality shows & franchises like the Fast series cuz ppl keep spending money & watching them.

I see this has been a spirited discussion while I have been sleeping

I think we just have to accept that we may have to just rewatch our older(like presentations)

Same with main stream TV, there is almost nothing new I want to watch.

But I can go and see old Star Trek, Highlander, Mission Impossible(tv seriess) Avengers (tv series)first year Wonder Woman(ok the first three episodes)

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

That's literally just 'getting older' you start branching out into the 'new' less and sticking to what you remember and are comfortable with... everyone does this. Sorta why folk were talking about how we hadn't pulled in enough new blood. You need new YOUNG people to bring in new ideas and 'grow' a thing. Anything that never grows or changes eventually stagnates and dies.

THAT'S late stage capitalism. All the high profile creators are either old rich guys.... or else more probably massive Corporations that are inherently inflexible because the only thing they know how to do is chase the impossible dream of perpetually increasing profits, which does not encourage trying new things... ever. Anyone who tells you Capitalism inspires creativity doesn't understand how the risk/reward element of actually making money works. This was ALSO inevitable... it's Capitalism getting older.

Even small creators are trapped in the system corpos have created because wheras there USED to be enough money to go around, corpos fighting for 60-70% of the wealth with the rest of us fighting over 30-40%.... wheras now it's more like corpos fighting over 95% with everyone else scraping by to accrue some of the leftover 5%. There isn't room for creativity there. You need to MAKE MONEY so you can either A: Make stupidly INCREASING profits for no logical reason as the corporation or B: Survive and eat dinner as one of the REST of the world cause basic needs must be met BEFORE creativity can thrive.

[Mr. X]

Yeah the corporate treadmill prevents anything innovative. That's why I favor collapse and things going back to creators like Heroineburg (sp?) and other small developers. But without the Lynda Carters and Yvonne Craigs and those old show elements getting a new crop of horny super heroine junkies is going to be hard. I don't think the new offerings are enough to trigger that drive.

[Femina]

I mean, the SHIP community isn't Corporate by and large so it doesn't necessarily follow the outline to a T, I don't think it's going to really completely die out unless the WHOLE comics and films industries dry up ENTRIELY... so long as there's ANY superhero stuff, we'll probably get at least mild traction... and then the potential of resurgences. However, yes, I'm not optimistic that so long as our corporate atmosphere doesn't only fail to improve, but get WORSE as it has been, our problems are going to swiftly become worse and worse until there's just not a lot of TIME or ENERGY to devote to fetishes and things like this.

The future is unwritten though. Who knows in twenty years we could have AI driven robots doing everything for us to the point that we all have Universal Basic Income because there's just no such thing as jobs anymore, at which point we may all be devoting 100% of our energy to our 'creative' and entertainment pursuits. No one really knows EXACTLY how anything's going to shake out until it happens.

[Dazzle1]

Until ppl completely discard capitalism & open to new ideas, things ain't gonna change & we gonna continue getting the same, recycled stuff. That reality made me discouraged of sharing new ideas.

The thing is, I'm more open to new ideas & stories. One of my biggest problems, especially in mainstream media are that they now heavily rely on nostalgia by making reboots/remakes. As much as I like rewatching old franchises & all, not all of them have remakes/reboots. As much as Hollywood studios still the blame, the customers/fans are also at fault. Studio gonna continue to reality shows & franchises like the Fast series cuz ppl keep spending money & watching them.

That's my sentiment, too in regarding both Golden age SHIP & mainstream entertainment as in recent years, I become interest in few shows & movies & sadly, I'm starting feel like this towards video games. I'm with Ernie about recent incorporating hard-core porn since I'm never into it myself & turn off by them, even while having deep thrist for attractive women in spandex costumes. That's probably why I couldn't get into Axel Braun movies despite of heroines having top notch, sexy skintight costumes.

In other note, seeing debates about Sasha Calle Supergirl & Captain Marvel gave me some story ideas about them. Unfortunately, I can draw & story ideas are not easy to come, so I have sympathy for SHIP producers in regard keeping stories interested since ideas are hard.

That's literally just 'getting older' you start branching out into the 'new' less and sticking to what you remember and are comfortable with... everyone does this. Sorta why folk were talking about how we hadn't pulled in enough new blood. You need new YOUNG people to bring in new ideas and 'grow' a thing. Anything that never grows or changes eventually stagnates and dies.

THAT'S late stage capitalism. All the high profile creators are either old rich guys.... or else more probably massive Corporations that are inherently inflexible because the only thing they know how to do is chase the impossible dream of perpetually increasing profits, which does not encourage trying new things... ever. Anyone who tells you Capitalism inspires creativity doesn't understand how the risk/reward element of actually making money works. This was ALSO inevitable... it's Capitalism getting older.

Even small creators are trapped in the system corpos have created because wheras there USED to be enough money to go around, corpos fighting for 60-70% of the wealth with the rest of us fighting over 30-40%.... wheras now it's more like corpos fighting over 95% with everyone else scraping by to accrue some of the leftover 5%. There isn't room for creativity there. You need to MAKE MONEY so you can either A: Make stupidly INCREASING profits for no logical reason as the corporation or B: Survive and eat dinner as one of the REST of the world cause basic needs must be met BEFORE creativity can thrive.

Don't knock capitalism, it's what leads to almost all innovation and new ideas.

Where were the great superheroines created in a capitalist country, how about the web. How about the devices were on.

And if we get to the pont where we can have real vr where we can tie up Wonderwoman or Batgirl and it feels real it will be from a capitalist,

[Leadpoison]

As someone who sells fetish films I can say this - there have been a couple notable names in the 'industry' who have bought my work in the last 14 years. And there have been a couple eye bulging moments when watching Hollywood films that lead me to believe there is direct correlated influence we have had.

I've felt the same about a couple comic book/TV authors as well that had concepts and dialogue that feel heavily inspired by things I've created. I think we'd be surprised at how many big names lurk about in our orbit. I'm honestly flattered when I see my stuff borrowed in our little ShiP community because they're just being influenced by my fanfiction, and most likely supporting my campaigns, but when I spot things in corporate comics and TV I'm like...