Logan: The only reason this conversation has gone on so long is because you are fighting SO hard to deny something that seems very obvious to most of the fans here. Namely, that your videos--which are largely scripted by fetishists, which included fetish elements that fetishists specifically request and pay for, which is marketed directly to fetishists, and sold overwhelmingly to fetishists--are fetish videos.
No one is saying you're bad people, or doing a bad job, or mistreating anyone. No one is saying anything negative about any of your actresses or your crew. But at this point you are SO defensive and SO adamant about denying your videos are "fetish" that it really is starting to seem kind of...weird. Why are you so terrified of that? What's wrong with making fetish videos? Especially when it's clear you make a LOT--probably MOST--of your money from the fetish fans?
It seems to me that if you really did NOT think there is anything wrong with making fetish videos, then, at the suggestion that you make them, you'd just say, "Huh, cool, didn't think of it that way, but cool! Maybe they're just fetish videos after all! Rock on!"
But you didn't. You wrote post after post after post insisting "NO! They're not fetish videos!! How dare you suggest such a thing!" Why? What's wrong with making fetish videos? You make videos full of fetishistic representations at the request of fetish fans and market and sell the videos almost exclusively to those fetish fans. It's not really a matter for debate, the facts are all there. Why not own it?
I mean, listen to yourself:
HeroineLegends wrote:All of these analogies and this entire conversation is pointless. We make Superheroine Films. We include common elements. We allow everyone to buy them. Fetish People buy them. Comic-Con guys buy them. It doesn't matter. To the fetish viewers, it's fetish. To the actors in the project, it's risqué mainstream. It's a matter of perception. Marketing a car to an urban community doesn't make the car ghetto. This whole thread has gone way past stupid. I won't even bother addressing the idiocy that has plagued this thread.
Sounds like you're very upset. Very upset because people are suggesting your movies are fetish videos. As if that very label were an insult. What's so wrong about fetish videos that you have to go to such great lengths to deny it?
The car analogy is flawed, too, and you know it. After all, if a car is made by a company from specifications requested by urban drivers, and full of features urban drivers want or need, and advertised almost exclusively to urban drivers, and sold almost exclusively to urban drivers, then YES, that car can be described as an "urban" car. (Not sure why the term "ghetto" got smuggled into your analogy--were you saying that "fetish" is like "ghetto," i.e., that it's a derogatory term? This is the second time you guys have done this--smuggled in derogatory terms to make it seem like "fetish" is a bad word for you. Why?)
HeroineLegends wrote:Some people are clearly here to start an argument. Defend your fetish. I don't care because no one was attacking it. I don't shoot these films like fetish films. They are shot like mainstream films.
No one is "defending" fetish. We are having a debate about whether or not your movies are fetish videos. You are the one getting so deeply upset about it. Why? And I for one certainly never felt that you were attacking fetish...at least, not until this last post, where I'm no longer so sure...
HeroineLegends wrote: I market them to fetish fans. Does that bother some of you here? It shouldn't.
That doesn't bother ANYONE here! You SHOULD market them to fetish fans! Because they're fetish videos!
Why would it bother anyone that you market your fetish videos to fetish fans? Who are you arguing with?
HeroineLegends wrote: If it does, then there is some deep-seeded shit you need to get a grasp on. Other producers who feel it necessary to put a label on my product need to relax. I don't jump on your threads. I don't label your products. These are things I do not do out of respect. I certainly don't chime in and question your business practices or your theories on how you treat your actresses (I've heard stories-- no, I will not go in further detail).
Wow, sounds like you're the one with issues you need to work through. Which business practices of yours have I questioned? I don't think I have questioned any. Who are you arguing against? It kind of sounds like you have a guilty conscience at this point. Why so defensive? Your defending yourself against charges that haven't been made. Why?
I wonder what "stories" you are talking about? Stories about what or who? You're suddenly very vague, why is that I wonder?
HeroineLegends wrote:I have a great team. Here are some from today:
I can assure you, even though almost every one of them reads these forums, that none of them are making fetish films. They are making Superheroine films that they know some fetish viewers enjoy.
It does indeed look like you have a great team.
I for one am glad they read these forums. But there you go again, INSISTING that none of them are making fetish films. Why are you so adamant about that? Is there something wrong with making fetish films? You are acting as though it would be very horrible if in fact you guys WERE making fetish films. Why? What's so horrible about it, when in fact you are so heavily involved in making/marketing/selling these videos in fetish contexts?
What evidence do you have that these videos you make--which are based on custom requests from fetish fans, marketed to fetish fans, sold to fetish fans and almost no one else--are not fetish videos, when there is SO much evidence that they are? Hell, this thread BEGAN by asking the fetish fans to clarify their fetishes so that you could BETTER cater to them! Why so terrified of the fetish label all of a sudden?
HeroineLegends wrote: I will not entertain any further debate about this because frankly it's annoying. All of the sudden hot girls are a fetish? Are you fucking kidding me? lol Your use of the word fetish is so loose that it doesn't even have a meaning anymore. And to not use the true definition-- then I have no idea of anything anyone is saying because any possible word you use could mean something completely different than what is stated in the dictionary. That is absurd logic-- dare I degrade the word by comparing.
This sounds very much like gibberish. Not sure who said any movie with a hot girl is a fetish movie, but it definitely wasn't me. Are you defending yourself against a non-existing attacker again?
But the definition of "fetish" that we've been using isn't really "loose" and it definitely DOES have a stable meaning. It means, as I've said, a sexual interest in something that isn't really sex. Like a superheroine being punched several times in the stomach. Or tied up. Or whipped. Or spanked. That's actually the OPPOSITE of a word that is so loose it doesn't have a meaning. It's a word that has a well-known, well-established meaning. The only one rushing to hide behind a much more arcane and clinical sense of the word is you. Again, I wonder why?
I'll say it once more. If you make a video based almost entirely on custom requests by fetish fans, requests you include in your video because the fetish fans requested them and paid for them, and then aggressively market your video to fetish fans on fetish message boards, and even start a thread on one of those message boards inquiring even deeper about the fetishes so that you can better understand them, and then market those videos to almost no one else besides fetish fans, and sell your videos almost exclusively to fetish fans...then you are making fetish videos.
This is not an attack, not an insult, not questioning your practices as a producer...that you rush to the assumption that it is an attack on your business practices seems odd to me. It's not an attack. It's a very neutral description of what seems to be the factual case.
Why does that horrify you so much? Would it really be so bad if these videos were fetish videos? After all, you certainly are treating them AS THOUGH they were fetish videos, in the way you market them here and on other fetish sites. So why all the hand-wringing and teeth gnashing? You could have just shrugged your shoulders...just said, "Cool, maybe they're fetish videos!"...but instead you begin to hysterically defend your "business practices," as though the very label "fetish" were an attack on them.
Why?
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